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Re: What did Michael want for Anthony?
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03/05/22 01:13 AM
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I think that you [Turnbull] say it: he wants Anthony to be his successor in the legitimate side of the business. Perhaps ironically, that seems to be just what Vito wanted for Michael 30 years before According to Vito [all going to plan] 1. Sonny – Don of the Corleone crime empire 2. Michael – Senator or Governor Corleone What is our take as to, Would Michael using his political connections help advance including bailing out the Corleones if required, making them invulnerable! [Vito's expectation?] or would he lead a civilian life, having nothing to do with the family business As to "greatness", it seems that they're trying to pump up Immobiliare as something better than just a big company, something influential beyond its market cap Sure thing Pete, Archbishop Gilday's carrot! - Immobiliare not only makes Michael one of the richest men in the world, it also makes the Corleones' whole past history and the history of their family, washed away, all for just 600 million.... So Anthony would be head of the "legitimate" Corleone business empire including Immobiliare the European conglomerate worth $6 billion and starting with a clean slate as well
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Re: What did Michael want for Anthony?
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What is our take as to, Would Michael using his political connections help advance including bailing out the Corleones if required, making them invulnerable! [Vito's expectation?] or would he lead a civilian life, having nothing to do with the family business [l I've always believed that, if Vito'd had his way, Michael as Senator or Governor would have worked to legalized gambling at the national or state level, which would have "legitimized" Vito's heritage and vastly enriched the Corleones' coffers( whyMichael moved the family to Nevada anyway). That would have made Sonny the head of an ever-diminishing criminal side of the Corleone family, and made him, in effect, Michael's strong-arm protector. It would have set up powerful resentment by Sonny, possibly leading to deadly violence--and an interesting additional GF movie.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: What did Michael want for Anthony?
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03/05/22 10:02 PM
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How did Anthony know so much about Michael's [old] business and Michael killing Fredo
I bet Kay told him all about Michael's evil ways. No doubt bad-mouthing him but how would she know about poor Fredo who drowned or even his betrayal? I bet she never told Anthony about her evil ways and his brother she killed
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Re: What did Michael want for Anthony?
[Re: Turnbull]
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03/05/22 11:54 PM
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Yes. unlike Michael, Vito did accept himself for what he was. But I can't see Vito simply sitting back in his old age and saying, ""Hey, look at my boy Michael--he's helping to feed the starving Africans...and he raised the minimum wage." I don't see him walking away from the rich empire he created through gambling. He had to have a plan for Michael to help transition his empire to legitimacy--and continued wealth. Michael came to a fork in the road with the Solozzo killing. In spite of his denial,I believe it WAS personal,not business.He had a choice, either take the path to upper world legitimacy,like Vito wished for him,or enter the Family "business" Once he did the hit,there was no turning back,and I believe he knew this. His life would forever be changed..Vito realized this as well, hence his reaction when told that Michael killed Sollozzo. At that moment,all of Vito's hopes for Mike went out the window forever,and he sadly realized that Michael had achieved his "one destiny".
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Re: What did Michael want for Anthony?
[Re: Turnbull]
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03/06/22 01:18 AM
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What is our take as to, Would Michael using his political connections help advance including bailing out the Corleones if required, making them invulnerable! [Vito's expectation?] or would he lead a civilian life, having nothing to do with the family business I've always believed that, if Vito'd had his way, Michael as Senator or Governor would have worked to legalized gambling at the national or state level, which would have "legitimized" Vito's heritage and vastly enriched the Corleones' coffers( whyMichael moved the family to Nevada anyway). That would have made Sonny the head of an ever-diminishing criminal side of the Corleone family, and made him, in effect, Michael's strong-arm protector. It would have set up powerful resentment by Sonny, possibly leading to deadly violence--and an interesting additional GF movie Don't know Turnbull if Vito'd had his way, [all going to plan] would "legitimacy" been in the pipeline? Vito I don't apologize -- that's my life didn't seem bothered about his "legitimized" heritage or legalized gambling Yes. unlike Michael, Vito did accept himself for what he was. But I can't see Vito simply sitting back in his old age and saying, ""Hey, look at my boy Michael--he's helping to feed the starving Africans...and he raised the minimum wage." I don't see him walking away from the rich empire he created through gambling. He had to have a plan for Michael to help transition his empire to legitimacy--and continued wealth. This is exactly the issue! Vito had all these grand plans but no forward-thinking / planning about the family turmoil, it would cause “Vito did accept himself for what he was” but burdened Michael with the near impossibility and unrealistic task of making decades old Mafia business legitimate Whilst “He [Michael] had achieved the semblance of legitimacy and was more "legitimate" than ever in III” but at what cost Vito's legacy – Thanks Pop! - Sonny's death if not rushing to his sister, Connie's aid surely as bad Don
- Fredo's betrayal and death because Fredo was stepped over without Vito making any face-saving provision for him
- Michael's murderous, miserable life
- Connie's widowhood because of Vito's inaction in her spousal abuse and subsequent whoring
Michael wanted Anthony to head "the rich empire he created" [expanded] but the big difference is Anthony was presented with a clean "legitimate" slate but Anthony opted for "an opera singing Corleone -- well -- was -- well --"!
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Re: What did Michael want for Anthony?
[Re: Turnbull]
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03/13/22 01:05 AM
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Of course I agree with Pete and others that Michael wanted Anthony in his business and as his successor. The scene was vintage Michael the Manipulator--a contest of wills. Michael threw in the line, "then you can do whatever you want [after law school] as a sop to Kay, to (unsuccessfully) get her on his side, and to weaken Anthony's resolve. if Anthony had agreed to go to law school, it would have been a capitulation to Michael. He'd never be able to escape Michael's clutches after that. I think you are being too harsh! on Michael I also believe it was all about Anthony's education and Michael was being the loving father, genuinely wanting Anthony to get his law degree first – the insurance “he [Michael] missed out on” Besides have you heard Anthony sing?!! Kay of all people ought to know the importance of education and should have encouraged Anthony and been supportive instead of throwing Michael under the bus, as always - That's your father, Anthony It's not me
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