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Re: Why couldnt Greek OC ever get established in the U
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03/29/22 06:00 AM
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The Greeks also never had a major organized criminal network in Greece, America, or anywhere else for that matter. Sure there were Greek nationals who were criminals (every ethnicity has a percentage of that). But they were never a real major force as far as numerical structure goes, or with organizational structure. They operated in small gangs or "pockets" of criminals. Nor were they ever major players in the overall underworld. Probably the largest such pocket existed in the Astoria section of Queens where the Greeks operated a small band of hoodlums led by several different guys over the years, the most well known of which was probably Peter (Pete the Greek) Kourakos who was largely looked upon as the unofficial 1950s-1970s "leader." He was actually affiliated with members of the Tommy Brown crew from Harlem.
After his death another Greek by the name of Spiros Velentzas rose to some prominence and was looked upon as their next local leader. But he too was subservient to the Lucchese crew and operated under the direction of capo Pete Chiodo who was appointed by their administration to look after Spiros.
Other than this particular Greek gang you're hard pressed to find any other major Greeks operating the rackets in NYC or its outer boroughs. Out of state and elsewhere? I'd say its largely the same scenario.
Any other individual Greek hoods were usually tied up with various soldiers of the Five Families or individual mafia regimes, not the so-called "Greek Mob" so to speak, which was largely a fallacy. Greek organized crime in Europe is reasonably noteworthy. It largely follows the structures of criminal groups in for instance Ireland, the UK or the Netherlands though as opposed to the large structures of Italian organized crime. The typical Greek criminal organization in Europe mostly bases itself around a major career gangster (like the organization of Eleftherios P. in Antwerp) or a notorious family (such as the Grigorakos family in Athens) who has/have the backing of dozens of other hoodlums. So in general Greek organized crime doesn't really compare to the large organized structures of the Italian criminal groups (to which nothing really compares to be honest), but they're definitely involved in major cases and it's definitely organized.
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Re: Why couldnt Greek OC ever get established in the U
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04/02/22 03:29 AM
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The Greeks also never had a major organized criminal network in Greece, America, or anywhere else for that matter. Sure there were Greek nationals who were criminals (every ethnicity has a percentage of that). But they were never a real major force as far as numerical structure goes, or with organizational structure. They operated in small gangs or "pockets" of criminals. Nor were they ever major players in the overall underworld. Probably the largest such pocket existed in the Astoria section of Queens where the Greeks operated a small band of hoodlums led by several different guys over the years, the most well known of which was probably Peter (Pete the Greek) Kourakos who was largely looked upon as the unofficial 1950s-1970s "leader." He was actually affiliated with members of the Tommy Brown crew from Harlem.
After his death another Greek by the name of Spiros Velentzas rose to some prominence and was looked upon as their next local leader. But he too was subservient to the Lucchese crew and operated under the direction of capo Pete Chiodo who was appointed by their administration to look after Spiros.
Other than this particular Greek gang you're hard pressed to find any other major Greeks operating the rackets in NYC or its outer boroughs. Out of state and elsewhere? I'd say its largely the same scenario.
Any other individual Greek hoods were usually tied up with various soldiers of the Five Families or individual mafia regimes, not the so-called "Greek Mob" so to speak, which was largely a fallacy. I personally never came up against any GREEK Mafia Family or anything like that. I never heard of any... I believe there was and probably still is to this day Greeks, that service the vice industry within their communities however, they dont venture out. Back then they were paying the Italians to be able to exist. Probably not anymore.. LCN is just taking on way less risk these days for the most part.
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Re: Why couldnt Greek OC ever get established in the U
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04/04/22 01:56 PM
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Greeks just tended to get absorbed into the Italian crews if they weren’t with some other ethnicity. Greeks had their little vice operations going on and they would pay rent to the Italians and do their own thing. Individual greek criminals got pretty big as associates of Italian crews or on their own with mixed Greek and other criminals together. But Greeks don’t have their own version of LCN or anything. Oddly enough, all over the world, if you deal with criminal networks, you will almost always find a group of Greeks somewhere in the mix doing their part. They’re all over the underworld, just not as some official mafia.
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