I clearly said that they would've eventually got him anyway, my whole point was that his reign on the streets could've lasted a lot longer than a mere 5 years if not for those tapes. Sure they got Massino without tapes, but his tenure was over twice as long as Gotti's. Speaking of Massino, if nobody had ever flipped, none of those murders would've been solved. They certainly weren't solved with CSI techniques. I think oftentimes wiseguys get bamboozled by the feds into flipping, and they often fall for it. Like the government threatening Massino with the death penalty, yeah right, they bluffed him.