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Re: Question about the Paul Castellano murder?
[Re: JackieAprile]
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04/15/22 11:04 AM
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Lou_Para
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IMHO, Joseph "Piney" Armone was 2 sides of a very interesting coin.
On the one hand,he was an old school, live and breathe,Cosa Nostra kind of guy,yet on the other hand,he went along with the hit on a sitting Boss.
From what I've read,he had ambitions beyond being a mere Capo.
He also didn't respect Castellano as a "real" gangster.
He was a great asset to Gotti in the sense that he could help smooth things over with the other old school,(and new school as well) Family members after the hit.
Piney was a well respected man,and lent some legitimacy to the new regime.
Armone wasn't going anywhere under Paul,and saw Gotti as a path to move up,as he eventually did.
Gotti needed Joe,and Joe needed Gotti.
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Re: Question about the Paul Castellano murder?
[Re: BensonHURST]
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04/17/22 04:03 AM
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JackieAprile
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The family was in two separate factions at the time.
The Blue Collar felt that Paul should have never been boss
That Neil should have been BOSS.
They were right.
Neil was better boss material than Paul.
Paul would have been a perfect # 2 underboss.
He would have rounded the family out instead of splitting it apart.
The truth is that even the guys that were opposed to it the begining
I think started making more money
Thats all they needed.
Never heard anyone say that GOTTI was GREEDY or taking too much.
NOT ONCE
Neil was constantly in and out of prison for most of the 70s. When Carlo died, he was in prison awaiting release for fucking tax evasion, of all things. He would not have lasted all that long as Boss. Not only that, but Neil didn’t have a head for white collar crime, which time has proven is the direction the Mafia should’ve went in (and has gone in). The most respected guy in the Family in 1976 was actually Joe N. Gallo. Just before Carlo’s death, there was talk of replacing Carlo with Joe. That however was thrown out the window and it was decided that Carlo would die as Boss After Carlo died, Paul and Joe N. Gallo ran the Family while they awaited Neil’s release from prison. There was a question of his legal issues and his own health however. The Family’s Capos had a six hour meeting in November 1976 where an election between Paul and Joe N. Gallo was held. Paul won by acclimation from the Capos. At a meeting on December 11th 1976, Paul’s reign as Boss was made official, and it was also made official that he was keeping Neil as Underboss and Gallo as Consigliere All the above was furnished to the FBI by a high level informer.
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Re: Question about the Paul Castellano murder?
[Re: JackieAprile]
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04/17/22 06:59 AM
04/17/22 06:59 AM
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JCrusher
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The family was in two separate factions at the time.
The Blue Collar felt that Paul should have never been boss
That Neil should have been BOSS.
They were right.
Neil was better boss material than Paul.
Paul would have been a perfect # 2 underboss.
He would have rounded the family out instead of splitting it apart.
The truth is that even the guys that were opposed to it the begining
I think started making more money
Thats all they needed.
Never heard anyone say that GOTTI was GREEDY or taking too much.
NOT ONCE
Neil was constantly in and out of prison for most of the 70s. When Carlo died, he was in prison awaiting release for fucking tax evasion, of all things. He would not have lasted all that long as Boss. Not only that, but Neil didn’t have a head for white collar crime, which time has proven is the direction the Mafia should’ve went in (and has gone in). The most respected guy in the Family in 1976 was actually Joe N. Gallo. Just before Carlo’s death, there was talk of replacing Carlo with Joe. That however was thrown out the window and it was decided that Carlo would die as Boss After Carlo died, Paul and Joe N. Gallo ran the Family while they awaited Neil’s release from prison. There was a question of his legal issues and his own health however. The Family’s Capos had a six hour meeting in November 1976 where an election between Paul and Joe N. Gallo was held. Paul won by acclimation from the Capos. At a meeting on December 11th 1976, Paul’s reign as Boss was made official, and it was also made official that he was keeping Neil as Underboss and Gallo as Consigliere All the above was furnished to the FBI by a high level informer. . Exactly. Neil was well respected but he wouldn’t have been a better boss. Like you said he was constantly under indictment, in and out of jail, didn’t know much about white collar crimes, etc.
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Re: Question about the Paul Castellano murder?
[Re: JCrusher]
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04/17/22 03:57 PM
04/17/22 03:57 PM
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Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, NYC
BensonHURST
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Bensonhurst
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The family was in two separate factions at the time.
The Blue Collar felt that Paul should have never been boss
That Neil should have been BOSS.
They were right.
Neil was better boss material than Paul.
Paul would have been a perfect # 2 underboss.
He would have rounded the family out instead of splitting it apart.
The truth is that even the guys that were opposed to it the begining
I think started making more money
Thats all they needed.
Never heard anyone say that GOTTI was GREEDY or taking too much.
NOT ONCE
Neil was constantly in and out of prison for most of the 70s. When Carlo died, he was in prison awaiting release for fucking tax evasion, of all things. He would not have lasted all that long as Boss. Not only that, but Neil didn’t have a head for white collar crime, which time has proven is the direction the Mafia should’ve went in (and has gone in). The most respected guy in the Family in 1976 was actually Joe N. Gallo. Just before Carlo’s death, there was talk of replacing Carlo with Joe. That however was thrown out the window and it was decided that Carlo would die as Boss After Carlo died, Paul and Joe N. Gallo ran the Family while they awaited Neil’s release from prison. There was a question of his legal issues and his own health however. The Family’s Capos had a six hour meeting in November 1976 where an election between Paul and Joe N. Gallo was held. Paul won by acclimation from the Capos. At a meeting on December 11th 1976, Paul’s reign as Boss was made official, and it was also made official that he was keeping Neil as Underboss and Gallo as Consigliere All the above was furnished to the FBI by a high level informer. . Exactly. Neil was well respected but he wouldn’t have been a better boss. Like you said he was constantly under indictment, in and out of jail, didn’t know much about white collar crimes, etc. Maybe not a better boss but a better choice of boss. What I mean by that is that if he was chosen maybe the family wouldn’t have been split into factions the way it was. Meaning maybe the whole collar faction would have agreed with the choice.
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Re: Question about the Paul Castellano murder?
[Re: BensonHURST]
#1033013
04/17/22 04:08 PM
04/17/22 04:08 PM
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JCrusher
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The family was in two separate factions at the time.
The Blue Collar felt that Paul should have never been boss
That Neil should have been BOSS.
They were right.
Neil was better boss material than Paul.
Paul would have been a perfect # 2 underboss.
He would have rounded the family out instead of splitting it apart.
The truth is that even the guys that were opposed to it the begining
I think started making more money
Thats all they needed.
Never heard anyone say that GOTTI was GREEDY or taking too much.
NOT ONCE
Neil was constantly in and out of prison for most of the 70s. When Carlo died, he was in prison awaiting release for fucking tax evasion, of all things. He would not have lasted all that long as Boss. Not only that, but Neil didn’t have a head for white collar crime, which time has proven is the direction the Mafia should’ve went in (and has gone in). The most respected guy in the Family in 1976 was actually Joe N. Gallo. Just before Carlo’s death, there was talk of replacing Carlo with Joe. That however was thrown out the window and it was decided that Carlo would die as Boss After Carlo died, Paul and Joe N. Gallo ran the Family while they awaited Neil’s release from prison. There was a question of his legal issues and his own health however. The Family’s Capos had a six hour meeting in November 1976 where an election between Paul and Joe N. Gallo was held. Paul won by acclimation from the Capos. At a meeting on December 11th 1976, Paul’s reign as Boss was made official, and it was also made official that he was keeping Neil as Underboss and Gallo as Consigliere All the above was furnished to the FBI by a high level informer. . Exactly. Neil was well respected but he wouldn’t have been a better boss. Like you said he was constantly under indictment, in and out of jail, didn’t know much about white collar crimes, etc. Maybe not a better boss but a better choice of boss. What I mean by that is that if he was chosen maybe the family wouldn’t have been split into factions the way it was. Meaning maybe the whole collar faction would have agreed with the choice. . I doubt it. Plus look at it this way if Neil became boss then Gotti would have been o e step closer yo becoming boss earlier and we saw how well that worked out for the Gambinos. Honestly I think Carlo made the smart choice and for a while it worked but Paul made his share of mistakes in the end. Also you have to take into account how the 1983 Bergin crew drug indictment ultimately led to what happened with Paul
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