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Fredo's Life and Treatment #1033508
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Fredo was treated poorly, throughout by everyone

What could have been done to make him a worthy Corleone

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With Vito's connections I'm sure he could have set Fredo up in a legit business or two, union,trucking company,etc. Fredo wouldn't need much in the way of brains,just show up and get a check, and steer some business to the Family now and then. I think that Vito's (and to lesser degree Sonny's) biggest sin was in not grooming Fredo for a better position, Sonny could have mentored his younger brother, and even Tom could have helped Fredo in gaining a more lucrative and less volatile life.

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In the book Fredo becomes more-or-less legitimate, focusing on the hotel side of Moe's operation. It seems reasonable to assume at the end of the novel that Fredo will run the five or so Corleone hotels, and that he'll end up a respectable part of the Las Vegas power structure. The first movie drifts away from that, but Fredo in the first film is still pretty dissonant with the sleazy gangster we see in GF2.


"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
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It's been awhile since I read the book How did Fredo react to being stepped over for Donship by his kid brother? Thanks Pete

Also "Fredo will run the five or so Corleone hotels" but under Boss Michael though

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Fredo to Michael: in Havana
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You know Mama used to tease me. She'd say, uh "You don't belong to me You were left on the doorstep by gypsies"
Sometimes I think it's true

Papa dismissing Fredo “And Fredo -- well -- Fredo was -- well --”

Poor Fredo had no chance Nobody...no no no Corleone family nobody bothered Fredo's all alone
Sure thing Lou their "biggest [own family] sin was in not grooming Fredo for a better position" indeed even if just face saving

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"biggest [own family] sin also spousal abuse
Fontane treated better than Fredo

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Originally Posted by Lana
It's been awhile since I read the book How did Fredo react to being stepped over for Donship by his kid brother? Thanks Pete


Fredo v. Michael isn't really an issue in the book. "Freddy" seems contented in Vegas, running the hotel side of Moe's operation and chasing cocktail waitresses. There is the "don't take sides" confrontation, but that's more that Freddy is identifying with Moe than with Freddy asserting some kind of authority among the Corleones.

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Also "Fredo will run the five or so Corleone hotels" but under Boss Michael though


Well, sure, that's where the money's coming from. Same as the people who actually worked for the olive oil company.


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He was given an opportunity but he was chasing cocktail waitresses instead of learning the casino business
Fredo was drunk at Connie's wedding

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Fredo needed minder to make him a worthy Corleone
Too much drinking Too much womanizing instead of learning the business like Michael did from Vito

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Originally Posted by mustachepete
Originally Posted by Lana
It's been awhile since I read the book How did Fredo react to being stepped over for Donship by his kid brother? Thanks Pete

Fredo v. Michael isn't really an issue in the book. "Freddy" seems contented in Vegas, running the hotel side of Moe's operation and chasing cocktail waitresses. There is the "don't take sides" confrontation, but that's more that Freddy is identifying with Moe than with Freddy asserting some kind of authority among the Corleones
Originally Posted by Lana
Also "Fredo will run the five or so Corleone hotels" but under Boss Michael though

Well, sure, that's where the money's coming from. Same as the people who actually worked for the olive oil company
Many thanks Pete I only have an old paperback! somewhere....Fair enough

Godfather II - Therein lies the issue?
Fredo put up with whatever was dished out by his Father Vito, older Brother Sonny and being straightened out / slapped around in public by "we're good friends, right Moe" but couldn't handle the kid brother, Michael being the Boss because it should have been Fredo

Fredo is not going to be content "running the hotel side of [Michael's] operation" and Fredo's good friend Moe murdered and of course there will be no more cocktail waitresses! either

Fredo to Michael: during his boathouse outburst -
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I'm your older brother Mike and I was stepped over!

If my memory serves me right, the book ends with all living happily for a hundred years! and apart from Vito's early years Godfather II was brand new material So what you say makes sense

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This maybe of interest
Moe Greene meeting question
Originally Posted by The Last Woltz
I think Michael and Vito saw legal gambling as the Family's future, and Moe Greene was their entree into casino/hotel ownership
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Originally Posted by Lana
So perhaps Sonny was not that bad a Don! after all

Sonny as acting Don foresaw the Family's future, bankrolled the casino/hotel and sent Fredo over to "learn the casino business"
In a long-ago thread, I argued that Sonny, for all his hot-headedness, made a level-headed, strategic move in sending Fredo] to Nevada to learn the casino business and (as we learned later) bankrolling Moe Green. He arranged for Fredo's safety and he planted a stake in what was to become an enormous, booming industry. That stake had an IOU attached to it

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Originally Posted by Lana

Fair enough - Godfather II - Therein lies the issue?
Fredo put up with whatever was dished out by his Father Vito, elder Brother Sonny and being straightened out / slapped around in public by "we're good friends, right Moe" but couldn't handle the kid brother, Michael being the Boss because it should have been Fredo


They knew being straightened out / slapped around in public but do nothing about it
still had a week before shooting starts but Tom left same night to "settle this business for Johnny."

Freddy not contented him not being the Boss

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I reckon their move was to get rid of the useless and big liability Fredo, pack him off to Vegas away from them and it becoming the basis of their future legal gambling was a lucky by-product

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Originally Posted by Capri
They knew being straightened out / slapped around in public but do nothing about it
The Corleones were “pretending that they were "weak" and ready to be knocked over” and continued their strategy by doing nothing when Fredo was being straightened out / slapped around in public by Greene and It worked!

As Greene [and everyone] believed -
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First of all, you're all done The Corleone Family don't even have that kind of muscle anymore The Godfather's sick, right?
You're getting chased out of New York by Barzini and the other Families

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Originally Posted by Capri
Fontane treated better than Fredo
Originally Posted by Capri
still had a week before shooting starts but Tom left same night to "settle this business for Johnny."

At Carlo and Connie's wedding -
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Vito: He [Fontane] came all the way from California to come to the wedding I told you he was going to come
Tom: It's been two years He's probably in trouble again [and Tom was right!]
Vito: He's a good godson
How so?

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He was a good godson because he showed the family respect by coming to the wedding. And by asking for Vito's help.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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first words, whispered into Vito's ear were, he wants to talk to him Then whines and cries Woltz won't give him the part

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Originally Posted by Turnbull
He was a good godson because he showed the family respect by coming to the wedding. And by asking for Vito's help.
Would Fontane have come “all the way from California“ to the wedding if he wasn't “in trouble again” and needed Vito to do a bandleader on Woltz?

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Originally Posted by Evita
first words, whispered into Vito's ear were, he wants to talk to him Then whines and cries Woltz won't give him the part

In the novel, Tom says, "He's probably in trouble again and needs your help." To which Vito replies: "And who should he turn to, if not his godfather?"


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E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
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And who should Fredo turn to, if not his own father?" And who should help Fredo if not his own father?"

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He has a sentimental weakness for all his children and spoils them except Fredo He was left rudderless

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Originally Posted by Turnbull
He was a good godson because he showed the family respect by coming to the wedding. And by asking for Vito's help
Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by Evita
first words, whispered into Vito's ear were, he wants to talk to him Then whines and cries Woltz won't give him the part
In the novel, Tom says, "He's probably in trouble again and needs your help." To which Vito replies: "And who should he turn to, if not his godfather?"
Originally Posted by Capri
And who should Fredo turn to, if not his own father?" And who should help Fredo if not his own father?"
Originally Posted by Evita
He has a sentimental weakness for all his children and spoils them except Fredo He was left rudderless

This maybe of interest
Vito and Fredo

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Originally Posted by Lana
Originally Posted by Turnbull
He was a good godson because he showed the family respect by coming to the wedding. And by asking for Vito's help.
Would Fontane have come “all the way from California“ to the wedding if he wasn't “in trouble again” and needed Vito to do a bandleader on Woltz?

My answer gonna be No

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So what could be the face saving something in it for Fredo that wouldn't cause any resentment of his stepped over grievance

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forward-thinking / planning that does not cause any family turmoil

For starters treat Fredo as equal and don't!
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Send Fredo off to do this -- send Fredo off to do that! Let Fredo to take care of some Mickey Mouse night club somewhere! Send Fredo to pick somebody up at the airport!

Whilst it is a delicate balancing act at least not exclude Fredo eg: The Godfather II - deleted scene
Sonny's daughter Francesca and fiancé Gardener Shaw
Sadly, it showed how Fredo was not part of Family matters nor Family business nor....And Fredo -- well -- Fredo was -- well --

Perhaps let Fredo sit in, at meetings Fredo knows to keep his mouth shut! unlike Sonny
Make Fredo feel important – even if as a figurehead....

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Deanna big mistake

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Poor Fredo gets shot down every time
1. Vegas welcoming party
2. getting Michael to see Pentangeli
3. ignored when he came back to Vito's room
4. excluded from Family matters and Family business

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Gardener family give their blessing for marrying Gangster daughter

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They haven't found poor Fredo in a barrel... yet...

Scuba divers who spent a year cleaning up Lake Tahoe’s entire 72-mile (115-kilometer) shoreline have come away with what they hope will prove much more valuable...

https://apnews.com/article/science-lakes-california-nevada-7e74aa67d25e37b272a3781e1bdc1499


"It's nothing personal, Sonny....... It's strictly business."


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It was as if he never went fishing with Neri

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