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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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Fredo to Michael: in Havana You know Mama used to tease me. She'd say, uh "You don't belong to me You were left on the doorstep by gypsies" Sometimes I think it's true Papa dismissing Fredo “And Fredo -- well -- Fredo was -- well --” Poor Fredo had no chance Nobody...no no no Corleone family nobody bothered Fredo's all alone Sure thing Lou their "biggest [own family] sin was in not grooming Fredo for a better position" indeed even if just face saving
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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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04/25/22 08:17 AM
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It's been awhile since I read the book How did Fredo react to being stepped over for Donship by his kid brother? Thanks Pete Fredo v. Michael isn't really an issue in the book. "Freddy" seems contented in Vegas, running the hotel side of Moe's operation and chasing cocktail waitresses. There is the "don't take sides" confrontation, but that's more that Freddy is identifying with Moe than with Freddy asserting some kind of authority among the Corleones. Also "Fredo will run the five or so Corleone hotels" but under Boss Michael though Well, sure, that's where the money's coming from. Same as the people who actually worked for the olive oil company.
"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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It's been awhile since I read the book How did Fredo react to being stepped over for Donship by his kid brother? Thanks Pete Fredo v. Michael isn't really an issue in the book. "Freddy" seems contented in Vegas, running the hotel side of Moe's operation and chasing cocktail waitresses. There is the "don't take sides" confrontation, but that's more that Freddy is identifying with Moe than with Freddy asserting some kind of authority among the Corleones Also "Fredo will run the five or so Corleone hotels" but under Boss Michael though Well, sure, that's where the money's coming from. Same as the people who actually worked for the olive oil company Many thanks Pete I only have an old paperback! somewhere....Fair enough Godfather II - Therein lies the issue? Fredo put up with whatever was dished out by his Father Vito, older Brother Sonny and being straightened out / slapped around in public by "we're good friends, right Moe" but couldn't handle the kid brother, Michael being the Boss because it should have been Fredo Fredo is not going to be content "running the hotel side of [Michael's] operation" and Fredo's good friend Moe murdered and of course there will be no more cocktail waitresses! either Fredo to Michael: during his boathouse outburst - I'm your older brother Mike and I was stepped over! If my memory serves me right, the book ends with all living happily for a hundred years! and apart from Vito's early years Godfather II was brand new material So what you say makes sense
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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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This maybe of interest Moe Greene meeting questionI think Michael and Vito saw legal gambling as the Family's future, and Moe Greene was their entree into casino/hotel ownership So perhaps Sonny was not that bad a Don! after all Sonny as acting Don foresaw the Family's future, bankrolled the casino/hotel and sent Fredo over to "learn the casino business" In a long-ago thread, I argued that Sonny, for all his hot-headedness, made a level-headed, strategic move in sending Fredo] to Nevada to learn the casino business and (as we learned later) bankrolling Moe Green. He arranged for Fredo's safety and he planted a stake in what was to become an enormous, booming industry. That stake had an IOU attached to it
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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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04/27/22 03:00 AM
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Fair enough - Godfather II - Therein lies the issue? Fredo put up with whatever was dished out by his Father Vito, elder Brother Sonny and being straightened out / slapped around in public by "we're good friends, right Moe" but couldn't handle the kid brother, Michael being the Boss because it should have been Fredo
They knew being straightened out / slapped around in public but do nothing about it still had a week before shooting starts but Tom left same night to "settle this business for Johnny." Freddy not contented him not being the Boss
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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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They knew being straightened out / slapped around in public but do nothing about it The Corleones were “pretending that they were "weak" and ready to be knocked over” and continued their strategy by doing nothing when Fredo was being straightened out / slapped around in public by Greene and It worked! As Greene [and everyone] believed - First of all, you're all done The Corleone Family don't even have that kind of muscle anymore The Godfather's sick, right? You're getting chased out of New York by Barzini and the other Families
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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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Fontane treated better than Fredo still had a week before shooting starts but Tom left same night to "settle this business for Johnny." At Carlo and Connie's wedding - Vito: He [Fontane] came all the way from California to come to the wedding I told you he was going to come Tom: It's been two years He's probably in trouble again [and Tom was right!] Vito: He's a good godson How so?
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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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He was a good godson because he showed the family respect by coming to the wedding. And by asking for Vito's help first words, whispered into Vito's ear were, he wants to talk to him Then whines and cries Woltz won't give him the part In the novel, Tom says, "He's probably in trouble again and needs your help." To which Vito replies: "And who should he turn to, if not his godfather?" And who should Fredo turn to, if not his own father?" And who should help Fredo if not his own father?" He has a sentimental weakness for all his children and spoils them except Fredo He was left rudderless This maybe of interest Vito and Fredo
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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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He was a good godson because he showed the family respect by coming to the wedding. And by asking for Vito's help. Would Fontane have come “all the way from California“ to the wedding if he wasn't “in trouble again” and needed Vito to do a bandleader on Woltz? My answer gonna be No
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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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forward-thinking / planning that does not cause any family turmoil For starters treat Fredo as equal and don't! Send Fredo off to do this -- send Fredo off to do that! Let Fredo to take care of some Mickey Mouse night club somewhere! Send Fredo to pick somebody up at the airport! Whilst it is a delicate balancing act at least not exclude Fredo eg: The Godfather II - deleted scene Sonny's daughter Francesca and fiancé Gardener ShawSadly, it showed how Fredo was not part of Family matters nor Family business nor....And Fredo -- well -- Fredo was -- well -- Perhaps let Fredo sit in, at meetings Fredo knows to keep his mouth shut! unlike Sonny Make Fredo feel important – even if as a figurehead....
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Re: Fredo's Life and Treatment
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