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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/22/05 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by Big Daddy Don: [QUOTE]...The most interesting point though, I thought and mentioned earlier was when they discussed the video where she seems to respond at times and the comment was you see these same few clips over and over because all the other times there is no response at all. I found that a very interesting comment. The husband once said on Larry King Live (a couple of years ago) that the videoclips provided by the family are extremely misleading because in reality, Terri will lie there for hours and hours without moving a muscle or responding to anything. What we see (and now hear) are basically little gold nuggets of activity that were caught on tape. I still cannot understand how, without the existence of a living will where Terri would've documented her wishes...the husband was allowed to have her feeding tube removed. I think this is really where the courts intervened...long before Congress & the President got into it. All we have is the word of Michael Schiavo and a few of HIS relatives, that she said she wouldn't want to live this way. I don't think it's enough to enable him to do what he's done. Best, Apple
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/22/05 05:28 PM
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[/qb][/QUOTE]I guess he wasn't as smart as you thought. Well, you can't get 'em all right. Apple this has all been litigated to death for five or six years now. The whole thing is insane. The creeps who run this country (i.e. the right wingholes) are now calling themselves the "culture of life." Puleeeze. a hundred thousand dead Iraqis are "collateral damage" and Bush used to electrocute retarded people, innocent people and anyone else he could fry.
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/22/05 06:30 PM
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AppleOnYa
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Originally posted by dontomasso: ... Apple this has all been litigated to death for five or six years now. The whole thing is insane. ..[/QB][/QUOTE] Sure, it's insane. Thanks to Mr. Michael Schiavo. He could've given care of Terri to her parents and family years ago, preventing them from suffering a loss that they're obviously not ready to accept. But all the while, he's insisted that he's going forward '...for Terri...it's all about Terri'. Well, if it's all about Terri, then I wish he'd stop plastering his face all over television complaining that the gov't is trampling all over HIS personal life. Personally, I think it's all but over and Terri's feeding tube will not be re-inserted. Once she's gone, I only hope her husband can sleep nights and live with the suffering he's inflicted on HER family while supposedly doing '...what Terri wanted...'. Best, Apple
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/23/05 10:21 AM
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In Holland on my university we had also a discussion about this. (How interesting, we are Dutch and discussing a American issue)...but there were some good things about it. First of all my opinion. If she wants to die...let her die. But with this a whole lot of issues show up. "She wants to die if..."....she said this, but it isn't written on paper (What I know about it )...so who says she really wanted it...we can't find it out now. Second problem: the doctors say she's brain dead...but is it? The family says that she reacts to several touches and light...so she isn't brain dead... Third problem: Who is the one who eventually decides...is it her husband, her family, the Congress or the President...it's rediculous that you can't decide it on your own(but she really can't decide now, pratical seen) Fouth problem: When this 'kill' is sustained, what will people do in the future? This one lasted for over 15 years, but in the future it will maybe decrease to 10 or even 5 or 2 years... Fifth problem: She maybe once said that when this kind happens she wants to die...but imagine that she isn't braindead and accepts this new way of life. The new 'quality'of life is accepted in stead of the 'quality' she had before. She can't tell it ya.... Sixth problem: Everybody has the right to live...but do you automatically have the right to die when you want to? (If I'm correct suicide is illegal in the US, not sure about it)...the law doesn't say you have the right to die.... Seventh problem: In the future "help with suicide"(I can't come up with the right word, something like "euthanasy??????")is maybe legal...but what are the protocols and the boarders....and when do you pass these boarders...how do you make up these things... I can tell you people...this is a very important case for the future...whatever and who decides...this will be an example for the next generation...I hope someone makes a very wise decision.
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/23/05 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by The Iceman: [quote]Originally posted by Patrick: [b] [quote]Originally posted by The Iceman: [b] First thing pat I want to reply to your words of god dmaned republicans. Yeah like it's totally their fault. Granted they controll congress but they don't control it by a large margin. I'm sure your precious democraps are highly involved in this as well. What do they have you watching out there in Nebraska? This is all Republicans pushing this bill. [/b][/quote]Don't forget Pat this is about a life that's an area where the republicans have always had a strong stance. :rolleyes: One more thing don't badmouth nebraska. [/b][/quote]This isn't about a life. This is about a woman whose is all but dead, you know, that's why they call her brain dead. She has no sense of what is going on. Would you want to be kept alive in her state? I'm not busting on Nebraska, so get over your mood swings. I'm being serious. Name a Democrat in the House or Senate who 'pushed' for this bill.
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/23/05 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Patrick: [quote] Most of them probably didn't want to waste their time when there's people starving to death and being gunned down. [/QB][/quote]Now because they did.nt waste their time there's one more person that is starving to death
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/23/05 08:06 PM
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My 2 cents: Terri Schiavo is brain-dead. The choice of life or death is now out of her hands, and should be in the hands of her husband, not her family. There is no hope for her. If you have to be hooked up to machines to remain alive, then you aren't meant to be alive, and that point can't be disputed. It's noble that her family is fighting so hard to keep her alive, but for what? The woman is suffering! They don't wanna let go. If you look at it from a psychological perspective, who would want to live in such a condition, given the choice? Those who say they would are most likely not telling the truth. No one enjoys suffering, and that is what this woman is doing. The choice should be left to her husband, and her husband wants to end her suffering, and let it go. That should be the end of it. *****EDIT***** BTW, the United States government getting involved in this is completely ludicrous. It's not their business!
"Growing up my dad was like 'You have a great last name, Galifianakis. Galifianakis...begins with a gal...and ends with a kiss...' I'm like that's great dad, can we get it changed to 'Galifianafuck' please?" -- Zach Galifianakis
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/24/05 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by Letizia B.: [quote]Originally posted by Daigo Mick Friend: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Patrick: [b] quote:
Most of them probably didn't want to waste their time when there's people starving to death and being gunned down. [/b][/quote]Now because they did.nt waste their time there's one more person that is starving to death [/b][/quote]That's what I was just thinking! Once the feeding tube is out, I read that it'll take her two weeks to die of starvation. [/QB] DMC--Right. 47 signed to the bill, but how many of them stood next to Tom Delay and begged for it to be passed?
You all seem to be ignoring the question. If you were in Terri's state, what would you want? I would've wanted to die a longgggggggggg time ago. -Pat
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/24/05 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by xXx_DoN_CoRLeOnE_xXx: The choice of life or death is now out of her hands, and should be in the hands of her husband, not her family. This is the part of the equation I have trouble with. A husband over parents? If my daughter was in this predicament, I wouldn't want the person who married her to make life or death decisions for her over the people that brought her into the world and cared for her most of her life. I'm NOT saying that the parents are right in this case. Just simply stating that the fact that he is MARRIED to her should not automatically make him right in this case.
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/24/05 01:48 AM
03/24/05 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by Sicilian Babe: I believe that this thread was started to ask people for their personal opinion on whether Terry should have her tube reinserted or not. I don't believe it was started to begin a debate on Democrats, Republicans or the state of Nebraska.
I think we all have to remember that this is about a young woman and her imminent death. I think that we all need to remember Terry and to pray for her and her family, whatever the outcome of the case. It's simply heartbreaking for a girl so young to be in this physical state. God bless her, and all those who have cared for her. BRAVO!!!!! Originally posted by La Dolce Vita: This is the part of the equation I have trouble with. A husband over parents?
If my daughter was in this predicament, I wouldn't want the person who married her to make life or death decisions for her over the people that brought her into the world and cared for her most of her life.
I'm NOT saying that the parents are right in this case. Just simply stating that the fact that he is MARRIED to her should not automatically make him right in this case. I feel exactly the same way LDV! When you first look at it from a spouses point of veiw, it is very easy to think the way of a spouse. But then looking at my own children, as a parent, your whole way of thinking changes completely! Originally posted by xXx_DoN_CoRLeOnE_xXx: My 2 cents:
Terri Schiavo is brain-dead. There is no hope for her. If you have to be hooked up to machines to remain alive, then you aren't meant to be alive, and that point can't be disputed. It's noble that her family is fighting so hard to keep her alive, but for what? The woman is suffering! They don't wanna let go. You have your facts twisted a bit here! She is NOT brain dead by any means! No doctor has ever declared her brain dead! She also is not hooked up to life support machines in order to stay alive, she can breath on her own. The facts that you stated above are totally wrong and therefore do not make for a valid arguement. This is a really tough and heartbreaking situation for ALL involved. Don Cardi
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/24/05 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by Patrick: [quote]Originally posted by The Iceman: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Patrick: [b] quote: Originally posted by The Iceman: First thing pat I want to reply to your words of god dmaned republicans. Yeah like it's totally their fault. Granted they controll congress but they don't control it by a large margin. I'm sure your precious democraps are highly involved in this as well. What do they have you watching out there in Nebraska? This is all Republicans pushing this bill. [/b][/quote]Don't forget Pat this is about a life that's an area where the republicans have always had a strong stance. :rolleyes: One more thing don't badmouth nebraska. [/b][/quote]This isn't about a life. This is about a woman whose is all but dead, you know, that's why they call her brain dead. She has no sense of what is going on. Would you want to be kept alive in her state? I'm not busting on Nebraska, so get over your mood swings. I'm being serious. Name a Democrat in the House or Senate who 'pushed' for this bill. I'm not having a mood swing, believe me you'd know it if I was. It's just that when you mentioned the words. "what do they have you watching out there in nebraska?" it seemed like a derogatory statement towards nebraska. Now DMC said that 47 democraps have signed onto this bill, for from a point of view that's just the same as pushing for it.
Oh and why don't you go back and re-read what I originally said I was against congress getting involved in this in the first place. And I think she should die.
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Re: Should Terri Schiavo be allowed to die?
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03/24/05 12:13 PM
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This whole case makes me think of what I'd do if it were my daughter in this situation. Like SB says, I can totally see the parents point of view. I just don't understand why the husband won't just give custody to the parents, who are willing to care for her. At first anyway, I also sympathized with the husband, and could understand how he felt, but for some reason I am not so certain about his motives anymore, since the parents are willing to "let him off the hook" so to speak. If it were my daughter, I couldn't and wouldn't agree to remove these feeding tubes. While it's true the parents may very well be holding on to false hope, on the other hand, only the parents may be the ones seeing signs of any kind of "life" from their daughter that no one else sees. All that being said, and being against the removal of these feeding tubes, how cruel it is to literally starve someone to death. Most people wouldn't do that to their dogs. If they must kill her, why not give her an injection of some kind instead of putting her family through the agony and anguish of watching her slowly starve to death. This is truly a heart wrenching situation. I feel for the entire family. TIS
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