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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: Turi Giuliano]
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05/22/22 12:51 PM
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CARMINE AND THE 13th AVENUE BOYS: Surviving Brooklyn's Colombo Mob https://www.amazon.com/CARMINE-13th-AVENUE-BOYS-Surviving/dp/1957288108For the genre it's 4/5 stars; and for research, narrative, etc. its 4.5-5/5. It's one of the few organized crime, true crime, reads that I'll tolerate where the back-stories - neighborhood, demographics, etc. - represent a large proportion of the effort. But in this case, they are so well-crafted from Carmine's recollection and retold by the author so as to be compelling. I could feel being transported there via a historical virtual reality metaverse. I can write the same of the latter section of the story; this in the Midwest and without the support of the crime narrative. Again here, Carmine and the author had me compelled through his experiences surviving - tales of Carmine leveraging his street-survival skills - and thriving personally and professionally. This book is 4 of 5 stars and not 5/5 (for the genre) as much of what is anticipated via a lived experience - murder plots, brutal violence - is short of the "linguine and bullets" eyewitness account expected of mobophile readers. Overall, very well done for a genre that has gone from solid first-hand accounts to ship-shod poorly written 3rd person accounts.
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: Big_Tuna93]
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06/16/22 08:47 AM
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I just finished Selwayn Raab's 5 familes, and am about to start the family secrets book. Is it any good for those that have read? Personally, I found it hard going. Stopped reading after awhile. Not saying book isn't good but not for me. Bought the other book on the case, family affair, by giancana + burnstein. Haven't checked it out yet. Find the idea of a son ratting on his father pretty unpalatable, maybe that's why. Currently reading, first family, on morello et al. Like it, authors dredged up more info than you'd think on guys from 1880s to 1920s
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Re: Mafia Books
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06/16/22 10:32 AM
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I just finished Selwayn Raab's 5 familes, and am about to start the family secrets book. Is it any good for those that have read? Personally, I found it hard going. Stopped reading after awhile. Not saying book isn't good but not for me. Bought the other book on the case, family affair, by giancana + burnstein. Haven't checked it out yet. Find the idea of a son ratting on his father pretty unpalatable, maybe that's why. Currently reading, first family, on morello et al. Like it, authors dredged up more info than you'd think on guys from 1880s to 1920s I will have to check out family affairs. I enjoyed family secrets, but I agree. Hard for me to feel a whole lot of remorse for Frank Jr who by his own admission stole 800K from his father, then wore a wire on him.
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: dsd]
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06/29/22 11:13 AM
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PERSICO by Dimatteo, good book. Then again plenty to write about with Persico. That guy was basically involved with the justice system his whole life. From mid teens involved in murder cases, shootings etc. Even when he was out on the streets in the 60s he was in four ? trials for cargo theft. 70s in jail ,out few years , then life. Persico is definitely an interesting subject. However I don't trust the author, Dimatteeo is an embellisher, and he claims to have been close to the Gallo brothers, who were enemies with Perscio. He is all over Facebook promoting his books, and does have photos of himself standing near Al Gallo. As an author he seems to just say anything without serious evidence to backk things up, or he just repeats myths and stories that have been around for years. That and his pro Gallo anti-Perscio bias add up to him not being very credible.
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: dsd]
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07/02/22 02:07 PM
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Review of Hitmen, THE PURPLE GANG by Deitche.
Is Ok, not good, just okay. Said^^^^ that book is lacking in the pages area. Sure, their's probably not a huge amount of info about the purples to write about. But 110 odd pages is skimpy.
Photos are not great either. Over half are locations snaps that show the present rather than what the St/ building was like in the 70s.
Main gripe is there is no personal stories/ input from anyone involved with the gang. Be they gang or law enforcement. You learn nothing about the people involved.
Also, minor point, but there are lots of gangsters who are related. So lots of people with the same surname, few with same full name as there dad. Gets very confusing. Overall, I should of waited until it's been reviewed by others on goodreads. And buy it second hand.
Sorry you didn't like it. Hopefully, you'll like one of my others. On the photos, unfortunately, I wrote this during the height of COVID, so everything at the federal level was shut down in terms of accessing FOIA and other materials, so I was unable to go through some of my usual sources to access photos. First time that's ever happened to me with a book.
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Re: Mafia Books
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07/02/22 11:38 PM
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Review of Hitmen, THE PURPLE GANG by Deitche.
Is Ok, not good, just okay. Said^^^^ that book is lacking in the pages area. Sure, their's probably not a huge amount of info about the purples to write about. But 110 odd pages is skimpy.
Photos are not great either. Over half are locations snaps that show the present rather than what the St/ building was like in the 70s.
Main gripe is there is no personal stories/ input from anyone involved with the gang. Be they gang or law enforcement. You learn nothing about the people involved.
Also, minor point, but there are lots of gangsters who are related. So lots of people with the same surname, few with same full name as there dad. Gets very confusing. Overall, I should of waited until it's been reviewed by others on goodreads. And buy it second hand.
Sorry you didn't like it. Hopefully, you'll like one of my others. On the photos, unfortunately, I wrote this during the height of COVID, so everything at the federal level was shut down in terms of accessing FOIA and other materials, so I was unable to go through some of my usual sources to access photos. First time that's ever happened to me with a book. Didn't know you posted. To be fair, I said it's OK. Currently reading your Garden State book. . Now that is a good book.
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: dsd]
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07/03/22 07:15 AM
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Review of Hitmen, THE PURPLE GANG by Deitche.
Is Ok, not good, just okay. Said^^^^ that book is lacking in the pages area. Sure, their's probably not a huge amount of info about the purples to write about. But 110 odd pages is skimpy.
Photos are not great either. Over half are locations snaps that show the present rather than what the St/ building was like in the 70s.
Main gripe is there is no personal stories/ input from anyone involved with the gang. Be they gang or law enforcement. You learn nothing about the people involved.
Also, minor point, but there are lots of gangsters who are related. So lots of people with the same surname, few with same full name as there dad. Gets very confusing. Overall, I should of waited until it's been reviewed by others on goodreads. And buy it second hand.
Sorry you didn't like it. Hopefully, you'll like one of my others. On the photos, unfortunately, I wrote this during the height of COVID, so everything at the federal level was shut down in terms of accessing FOIA and other materials, so I was unable to go through some of my usual sources to access photos. First time that's ever happened to me with a book. Didn't know you posted. To be fair, I said it's OK. Currently reading your Garden State book. . Now that is a good book. Appreciate the feedback on Garden State. I'm good with whatever people think. Not everyone's going to like my stuff. Just wanted to clarify on the photos, because that was not my plan originally. As you can see in Garden State, I like mugshots!
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: ScottD]
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07/03/22 08:16 AM
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Review of Hitmen, THE PURPLE GANG by Deitche.
Is Ok, not good, just okay. Said^^^^ that book is lacking in the pages area. Sure, their's probably not a huge amount of info about the purples to write about. But 110 odd pages is skimpy.
Photos are not great either. Over half are locations snaps that show the present rather than what the St/ building was like in the 70s.
Main gripe is there is no personal stories/ input from anyone involved with the gang. Be they gang or law enforcement. You learn nothing about the people involved.
Also, minor point, but there are lots of gangsters who are related. So lots of people with the same surname, few with same full name as there dad. Gets very confusing. Overall, I should of waited until it's been reviewed by others on goodreads. And buy it second hand.
Sorry you didn't like it. Hopefully, you'll like one of my others. On the photos, unfortunately, I wrote this during the height of COVID, so everything at the federal level was shut down in terms of accessing FOIA and other materials, so I was unable to go through some of my usual sources to access photos. First time that's ever happened to me with a book. Didn't know you posted. To be fair, I said it's OK. Currently reading your Garden State book. . Now that is a good book. Appreciate the feedback on Garden State. I'm good with whatever people think. Not everyone's going to like my stuff. Just wanted to clarify on the photos, because that was not my plan originally. As you can see in Garden State, I like mugshots! I got the audio book. Very well researched. Especially on the beginnings of the Families there. I often wonder how powerful the Decavalcantes and Philly would have been if it was one Family. Or even if they just had a few key guys like Ritchie the Boot and Tony Bananas Caponigro
"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: Turi Giuliano]
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07/03/22 03:30 PM
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I got the audio book. Very well researched. Especially on the beginnings of the Families there. I often wonder how powerful the Decavalcantes and Philly would have been if it was one Family. Or even if they just had a few key guys like Ritchie the Boot and Tony Bananas Caponigro
Thank you.
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: Turi Giuliano]
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07/06/22 07:27 PM
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Appreciate the feedback on Garden State. I'm good with whatever people think. Not everyone's going to like my stuff. Just wanted to clarify on the photos, because that was not my plan originally. As you can see in Garden State, I like mugshots! [/quote]
I got the audio book. Very well researched. Especially on the beginnings of the Families there. I often wonder how powerful the Decavalcantes and Philly would have been if it was one Family. Or even if they just had a few key guys like Ritchie the Boot and Tony Bananas Caponigro [/quote]
Finished Garden State and ,yes, it is very good. Chapters on all the different era's and families made it a good read.
Got Body Mike about Cantalupo. Didn't even know he had a book out.
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: DetroitPartnership]
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07/19/22 06:18 PM
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CARMINE AND THE 13th AVENUE BOYS: Surviving Brooklyn's Colombo Mob https://www.amazon.com/CARMINE-13th-AVENUE-BOYS-Surviving/dp/1957288108For the genre it's 4/5 stars; and for research, narrative, etc. its 4.5-5/5. It's one of the few organized crime, true crime, reads that I'll tolerate where the back-stories - neighborhood, demographics, etc. - represent a large proportion of the effort. But in this case, they are so well-crafted from Carmine's recollection and retold by the author so as to be compelling. I could feel being transported there via a historical virtual reality metaverse. I can write the same of the latter section of the story; this in the Midwest and without the support of the crime narrative. Again here, Carmine and the author had me compelled through his experiences surviving - tales of Carmine leveraging his street-survival skills - and thriving personally and professionally. This book is 4 of 5 stars and not 5/5 (for the genre) as much of what is anticipated via a lived experience - murder plots, brutal violence - is short of the "linguine and bullets" eyewitness account expected of mobophile readers. Overall, very well done for a genre that has gone from solid first-hand accounts to ship-shod poorly written 3rd person accounts. Spot on….. I agree with you 100%. Very good book. I find myself reviewing and re-reading many parts of it often as I did today and was wondering if it had been mentioned on this site and thread. Glad to see your review and thanks, I took your recommendation and downloaded it to my book reader in may.
Be Loyal, Be Loving, Be Quiet.
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Re: Mafia Books
[Re: Turi Giuliano]
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07/29/22 11:12 PM
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eBook sale alert: The eBook EPUB version of Anna Sergi's new book, Chasing the mafia: 'ndrangheta, memories and journeys, is available from Bristol University Press for 75% off the regular price till EOD Sunday, July 31. Regular price before VAT: USD $36.95. Discounted price before VAT: USD $9.24. https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/chasing-the-mafiaWhen you click on the above link, select the "EPUB" version, click on "Add to basket," and then type EBOOK75 in the "Voucher / promotional code" field. The publisher is offering 75% off all EPUB versions of its published eBooks. Sergi's book does have content about the Greater Toronto Area, Montreal, and Hamilton.
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