From Reddit r/Mafia poster JoePuzzles234

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mafia/comments/s2i1qk/todays_outfit_an_attempt_at_chicagos_current/

From the same poster:



And another guy with some insight:



JoePuzzles234 again:



A few other posters seem to know bit more about current day outfit.

Only 18 made men?

18 Old Men, no less.

Two weeks back we designed an extensive introduction story and pictorial-graph chart depicting the entire Detroit membership dating all the way back to Joe Zerilli. For anyone interested in the Detroit Family its a much see. Its on our website

It lists over 170 inducted mafiosi or affiliated hoodlums directly under the auspices of the Detroit Family.

Didn't realize Schiro has chance at getting out. Guy has to be in horrible shape but along with Jimmy Marcello, who won't ever see the light of day again, is one of the last links to the glory days of the outfit.

not sure of the purpose of showing 4 dead guys or all imprisoned members most of which will die in jail.
and to ny mafia i'm sure the chart/list of presumably dead made guys is great for some and maybe u posted on the wrong thread by accident but this one was about the chicago outfit not detroit.

and to the 170 members claim i can only assume that is a totality over a span of close to 100 years in detroit.
at present detroit has fewer active guys than chicago.

http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.com/search/label/Chicago

1 Joseph Andriacchi b.1932
2 Bobby ‘The Gahbeet’ Bellavia b.1939
3 Joseph Bonavolante b.1957
4 Paul Carparelli b.1969
5 Frank Caruso Jr. b.1945
6 Nicholas Cataudella b.1959
7 Salvatore"Sammy Cards" Cataudella b.1952
8 Salvatore Cecola b.1945 (Las Vegas)
9 Virgil Cimino b.1943
10 Joseph “Kong” Culotta
11 William Daddano Jr b.1935
12 Salvatore"Pizza Guy" DeLaurentis b.1938
13 Frank Derosa b.1943
14 Thomas Forliano b.1949
15 Gary Gagliano b.1943
16 Anthony Giannone
17 Nicholas Guzzino b.1942
18 Richard Guzzino b.1939
19 James Inendino b.1941
20 Rocco Lombardo b.1940
21 Michael Magnafichi b.1962
22 Pat Manno b.1933
23 James Marcello b.1942
24 Michael Marcello b.1950
25 John Matassa
26 John Rainone b.1952
27 Robert Salerno b.1935
28 Donald Scalise b.1938
29 Joseph Scalise b.1937
30 Terry Scalise b.1956
31 Spano-Michael Jnr. b.1940 Cicero
32 Vito Spillone b.1960
33 Christopher Spina b.1953
34 Joseph Talerico b.1952
35 Raymond Tominello b.1940
36 Albert Vena b.1948

There is so much not known about the outfit.
There was one made guy to flip in it’s 100 year existence.

It appears they went underground in the 80-90’s were smart enough to see the writing on the wall.

To think that Nick Calabrase knew every made member of outfit to me is not realistic.

My point is there are guys in NY that are made that LE never knew about and look at all the rats we had here, bosses etc.

The thought process of if LE never indicted or arrested them then that proves it doesn’t exist is FLAWED.

Also, keep in mind LE had the Top Enchelon Informer program which they were able to get a lot of info from that program, that program does not exist anymore.

Lastly the amount of resources that the Feds expend on LCN is no where near what they spent in the past.

Not saying they are anything close to what they were they are NOT and that is a fact and they never will be and that’s a fact.

I think there much more to the organization then we know about.

i agree about nick calabrese not knowing everyone.
the outfit operated for years 5-7 separate distinct crews spread across the city state and country.
calabrese was not even a high ranking member,he had no crew working for him. calabrese did have good intell on the inner workings of the 26th/chinatown crew.
but lately there has been crickets about the 26th.
my question being then if calabrese was such a well informed cooperator who knew all the big players why r we even talking on this thread?
shouldnt the outfit be gone?shouldnt all the men listed above be in jail?

furthermore i wouldnt even list the caruso's in a current chart.
although historically there last name carried weight in that area of chicago the 2 brothers above have a small criminal record.
bruno for that matter has some minor bust involving unions but i have never even found a passing reference to any other kind of racket he was remotely suspected of being involved in.

12 members, I fear for my life...

In the Gallo war..he had 75 guys

That chart is comical in its lack of knowledge. That’s all I’m going to say here.

maybe better to post what we can prove? then again it comes from reddit sooooooo.

a question that may be appropriate for this thread.
i have been laid up this week couch bound and the mind wanders in many directions when this is the case. i am not mobile been told to stay off my feet so watching alot of t.v.

after reading the latest MTL mafia book about andrea scoppa and then watching last 3 seasons of breaking bad in all honesty how many guys in this day and age does it even take to run a profitable crew/family?
many on this site myself included quibble over numbers of families size wise big small etc...
the internet has taken the man power out of say running a large gambling operation. u can buy a litany of drugs on line.

walter,jesse et al ran a tight small op a t.v. show no less i know.
but it came to me more from the scoppa book. MTL is a big city no NY,chicago or even toronto but a big city with diverse criminal groups.
the mafia there maybe has a core of 20-30 active guys.the hells angels at this point dont even have 100 full patch members covering the province of quebec.
and quebec is big and the hells have the province locked up as far as drug distributio/importation.
both groups however seem smart enough to know that they cannot be a part of every single aspect of the drug game.
a single full patch HA could control a puppet club or a small group of trusted non patched associates.
a mafia member or cell leader is the same. both these groups also partner up with each other or other ethnic groups for certain crimes and possibly never work together again.
many of the more recent east coast busts r the same. the andrew campos indictment from 2019 is a good example. a capo a soldier few associates and making bank.

so back to the outfit.
the most recent sports betting bust paloian,del giudice were not city wide busts. u bet with a guy through a server based in costa rica u win u get paid out with an envelope by some guy in a bar you lose u pay another guy.
back in even the 80's there were still armies of guys collecting taking bets paying off...not happening today.

so if the outfit has less guys and we only know about say 15 that are legit OUTFIT members that could make sense.
also taking into account those members we do not and may never know of.

one last example is the partnership of whitey bulger/steve flemmi in boston. now we know they were informants with the fbi and that helps when u can get yer rivals arrested or kill them with no fear of retribution. but there crew barely numbered 10. 10 core guys but the 2 at the top had reputations that people feared.
they could take money from anyone they didnt need to import drugs,deal them just collect a tax very similar to what some HA continue to do in MTL.

one full patch with a reputation can and in some cases does control profitable territory.

so if the numbers of some families seem small maybe its because the leaders have recognized they dont need to be as big.

The Outfit always had a small core but tons of associates.

Correct. Some of those men never made an Outfit Chart either even though they did plenty of work for the Outfit and it’s crews. Outfit charts in general are very misleading and always have been. In my opinion the most accurate outfit chart I’ve seen was the one from 2010 that was made by a member on here.

What comes to mind is the old saying:

The first sign a person being knowledgeable is knowing what they don't know.

We know what we know from L.E. and Arrests and Indictments ETC.

However, thinking that is all inclusive is the mistake.

If they never were arrested they never existed.

As I mentioned I haven't been around this for years in Brooklyn and a few years back I knew of at least 1/2 dozen guys that were made that never showed up on any lists or their arrest records weren't all over the internet.

The point I am making I am not up to date because i am not actively involved.

So if I know of 6 how many are there?

Historically?

Today?

Chicago Outfit today: 75 years after Al Capone's death

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-outfit-today-al-capone-death/11508957/

To put it nicely the FBI knows Jack shit when it comes to the Outfit.

If it wasn't for that Family Secrets case they never would have even made a dent VS the outfit.

I recently watched an interview with the son that flipped Frank Calabrese Jr I think it was.

What he said I never heard before was that he ROBBED about $1MM from his dads stash.
So if he said it was $1MM it was probably $2MM

So it wasnt about taking this bad man off the street

It was about being saved from fucking up.

He wanted to live the life on his fathers dime and when it came time to face the music, he ran to the feds.

A lot of times with these rats they have a similar story where they fucked up.
The chose to go to the feds for a way out.

So not only did he rob millions of dollars from his father.
He got his dad to try to whack his brother Nick, because he pinned them against each other.

He got his uncle to flip on his dad.

Sent he father away to die in prison.

All because he couldn’t live within his means and/or face the music for mid-deeds.

In the end, Frank Sr. broke a rule, the Outfit weren’t allowed to bring their sons in.
Sr. did it on the sneak and he paid dearly and so did a lot of other guys as well.

I believe he now organizes mafia tours in Chicago and Las Vegas.

There was cases of Outfit men that bring his sons in,now is forbidden because the young generation arent tought like the old guys but before wasnt the case.

Frank Jr also talks about his dad like he was a monster, but everybody who knew him spoke highly of him. He was loved in prison. I think a lot of these rats have psychological issues. This guy Jr strikes me as someone who is borderline

Many such cases.

And in Calabrese’s case, he didn’t even have the decency to fade away and be forgotten, oh no, he’s running a tourist trap business talking about the Outfit that (somehow) was super evil with him and traumatized him and made him flip.

Just like all the other rats that can’t stop going on podcasts feeding overly exaggerated versions of their roles in the LCN to a delusional audience from overseas of the west coast.

The worst part is when they act thuggish and bad mouth their former associates. Like someone is going to touch them. Goes to show how pathetic and childish they really are.

A major black pill is understanding how rats are a fundamental tool to hurt organized crime but then you have to put up with their awful behavior.

Gene Borrello un ironically belongs to the loony bin and John Pennisi openly said that his dead grandma appeared to him, made his house shake like in that poltergeist horror flick and told him to rat.

You can’t even make that up…

Jr. should have been whacked by now in my opinion. He's a drug addict scumbag who stole from his father and was too much of a pussy to take what he was given to him and serve his sentence. If I was boss I wouldn't allow kids to be involved in the business either.

By the way what is your opinions on Nick Ferriola? He's involved in the Outfit and I believe he will be a boss one day. He's never ratted and seems pretty old school in his thinking and beliefs.

He's a sharp guy. I know he always wears suits and walks around like he owns the city lol but he's like the last street guy. Are they still bringing guys in? That family seems like it's on it's last leg

Not sure if they are bringing guys in but that man deserves to be made. If they do that I can guarantee you the Outfit continues and becomes stronger.

How can one guy make them stronger?
Isn’t he already part of the organization, even if just as a higher-ranking associate?
So him getting made wouldn’t make more people joining in. If he’s as respected as you claim people might already follow him. Made or not.

He has much more power if he becomes made, because then that will set him up to become a Capo and then a boss. Therefore that makes the Outift much more powerful with him having more control of his crew that he is assigned to and eventually the entire organization. He's young and has a promising future so get him made if they care about the future of the Outfit. Its a no brainer.

So lets ask the question and give our input here. Who is the next guy in line to take over as boss once Solly D passes away? Who would be your guess?

As I mentioned on a thread on Philadelphia and I am no way comparing the two borgatas.
One man steering the ship can make a HUGE difference.

Think of a LCN Borgata as a Corporation what could the right CEO do for that corporation.

Gotta be smart low key, underground.
Look at Barney and Italian Dom….

I don’t think the feds can touch these guys.

Correct and that’s why Ferriola needs to be made. To set him up to be a Capo and then eventually take over the entire organization one day. Just like his father before him.

ALBERT VENA-current street boss and capo of grand avenue. in his early 70's is feared and respected by all OUTFIT crews.

CHRIS SPINA-longtime member,former driver for JOSEPH LOMBARDO the driver role being a longtime road to leadership position in OUTFIT and he is young by OUTFIT standards.

DINO MARINO-father was close to DELAURENTIS for decades, is alleged to be driver for SOLLY D and i believe younger than SPINA.

NICHOLAS FERRIOLA-father was former admin member JOSEPH FERRIOLA, young has stood up to family secrets sentencing.

these 4 are my predictions excluding ANDRIACCHI,INENDINO and JOSEPH DIFRONZO because of age.

a passing note SALVATORE CATAUDELLA not mentioned only for the fact i do not believe he is current UNDERBOSS of OUTFIT as some internet posts have claimed.

I think these guys did this right before him.

They seen how NYC was set up and wanted to make it better.

The whole one family set up, members they made, more importantly the members they did not make.

One guy to flip in 100 years is almost unbelievable.

I hate to say it buy the RATS really came out of NYC and I know NYC had more members so more rats go with the turf I am talking percentage wise.

NYC and Philadelphia have probably 80% of the RATS.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...mp;cvid=82ea3553d2404318a9b59cfd1f8f0109

Won't be Big Mike Sarno anytime soon.

Out of those 4 I give the nod to Vena. He's earned it and never ratted on anyone out of all the years he's been involved. He is feared and would be a great choice as the next Boss.

Another thing about ALBERT VENA is that with all of the indictments falling against that crew in the past 10 yrs...panozzo,chuck Russell et al the only guy to flip was Jeff Hollingshead. Proof that vena runs a tight crew and that he insulates himself from active street rackets...as a good boss should.

Agreed. Also every time I think of him I am reminded about how good the food is at La Scarola!