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Re: Vito's Rise and Rise [Re: Capri] #1039369
08/25/22 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Capri
After getting what they wanted all along, why chisel Corleone territories?


The agreement that Barzini and the other Dons made at the Commission meeting was limited: Vito agreed to provide political protection for drug trafficking in the East, Barzini and the other Dons agreed not to interfere with Michael's safe return to the US. Nothing else was covered. Why wouldn't Barzini chisel Corleone Territory, especially since Michael and Vito were feigning weakness? If they didn't like it, they could fight back.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Vito's Rise and Rise [Re: Turnbull] #1039405
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by Evita
Good point they regarded gambling as a "harmless vice,"
Wouldn't all that change when he agreed to provide political protection for "a dirty business,"

That's why Vito said no to Sol initially- that his "friends in politics wouldn't be friendly very long if they knew my business was drugs." The novel provides more detail: Sol said at the meeting that he'd use operatives with clean records "so it will be logical for judges to give light sentences." And, after the Commission meeting, Vito told Tom that if the families used "real snowbirds" (meaning guys with drugs arrests) "we'll throw up our hands and say there's nothing we can do" (or some words to that effect). IMO, both Sol and Vito were deluding themselves about drug operatives with "clean records" --greed trumps restraint and common sense every time
Right again! Turnbull The Underestimating, Overestimating, Delusions, Greed trumping restraint, common sense and caution....

My only debating point - if I have not misunderstood - it didn't seem Vito was greedy for the narcotics money

It seems to me Vito was restrained and exercised common sense and said no to Sollozzo initially because among others -
  • Vito may have felt he didn't need "a dirty business," money - too much hassle
  • concern of his "friends in politics wouldn't be friendly very long if they knew my business was drugs."

Vito, later, backed into a corner, having to bring Michael back to US safely was forced to 'barter' and reverse his original no, provided his “police/political protection” for the drugs trade

Movie - after the Commission meeting
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Tom: When I meet with the Tattaglia people, should I insist that all his drug middlemen have clean records?
Vito: Mention it -- don't insist Barzini is a man who'll know that without being told

Re: Vito's Rise and Rise [Re: Turnbull] #1039406
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by Evita
Why did Barzini try to kill Michael in Sicily? The killing wouldn't go unavenged

Perhaps he tried to have Michael killed to prevent Michael from eventually avenging Sonny's murder. Then you might ask, why did Barzini agree not to interfere with Michael's return to the US? Because he and the other Dons were greedy for the drugs profits Vito's political protection would open up. They deluded themselves into believing that Michael--who had already shown his stuff by killing Sol and Mac--wouldn't be a threat to them. Greed trumps caution every time
Barzini probably thought, they could take Michael out, down the track, in the Corleones 'weakened' state, once the drug operation was up and running

Re: Vito's Rise and Rise [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1039411
08/27/22 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lana
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My only debating point - if I have not misunderstood - it didn't seem Vito was greedy for the narcotics money


No, he certainly wasn't greedy for drugs money,. What I meant to say was that Vito was deluding himself if he thought that the other Dons would assure that they'd use operatives without arrest records---and that he'd be able to refuse to help a "snowbird" get off with a light sentence.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Vito's Rise and Rise [Re: Turnbull] #1039415
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I reckon the other factor to consider is complacency which resulted in these people slippin'

Vito was sitting pretty having made loads of money, with influence and power as Top Don
I agree he didn't need the hassle of "a dirty business," money

The slippin' Vito failed to see, Tattaglia and Sollozzo still climbing up the pecking order ladder, hungry for money and power, wouldn't just walk away from millions, $10M estimated, in just the first year alone

He suspected there was more to what Sollozzo was telling him, yet never occurred to him the possibility of a hit
Ten years ago could they have gotten to him?

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