City says well water safe from polluted dirt mountain

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/the-hamilton-spectator/20211001/281492164477292/textview

Not sure if this is relevant to this thread, but I found an interesting article on Domenico Violi: https://nationalpost.com/news/canad...m-because-parole-board-asked-about-mafia

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Flamborough landowner seeks to have polluted dirt mountain charges tossed over “abuse of process”

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilt...harges-tossed-over-abuse-of-process.html

This is TOOOOO CRAZY
He gets a 20 year sentence in 2018 and is out already...

You wanna know why everything is happening in Canada
Here you have it ..

Canada has one supermax prision that hold 160 prisoners.

Correct. Their penal and justice system is what ours was back in 1940. No wonder why OC thrives there.

Its a wonder that more of families did not set up crews and expand.

it is a wonder in general why very few of the remaining families in the U.S. dont expand at all or setup crews elsewhere.
also a complete lack of ability to form alliances with other non italian crime groups.

I think Domenico Violi pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 6 years and a bit, no? His brother got more.

Sorry I stand corrected
Yes I read in one article to 8 years and another 6 years.

Well not as bad.

And NY was right C.A. Is where we were before Rico.

It was that more than anything else combined that had lead to the demise of LCN in America.

If your getting with 10 years and getting out in 3
Nobody is flipping over 3 years.

Even if you get 15 for a murder be home in 5
Your still killing people and not flipping over 5 years.

Yes, also if you flip in the U.S., you can go to Florida, California amongst other places. Not as many options in Canada.

They're not just killing "people," it's fellow mobsters who are just as dangerous. I don't feel in the least bit threatened. Also, guys in America are flipping over 5 years, hell, you even have guys running to the FBI who aren't even under investigation or been arrested.

There have a been a couple of guys that flipped that were afraid for their lives.

However, most guys flip because they either don’t want to do it and feel they can’t do the heavy sentences.

Out of all the guys that flipped, Made Members I doubt there are many that flipped over doing 5 years.

I would have to analyze each individual case to be able to reply to that one. I don't know if I have that kind of time lol.

‘It’s like Groundhog Day’: City probes new dumping complaints at Waterdown Garden Supplies

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilt...erdown-garden-supplies-soil-dumping.html

MOB IN FLUX: Since hit on boss Pat Musitano underworld is 'fluid'.

https://torontosun.com/news/provinc...on-boss-pat-musitano-underworld-is-fluid

The Musitano family is huge their role in Canada IDK, but in Italy and Australia they are still there.

The article is stating they are DONE FOR.
Where is the revenge for taking out their boss?

If another family can take out your boss with no repercussions?
Why would you be kicking up stairs.

I'm just curious. Does anybody even have a clue as to how many alleged "members" this Musitano Crime Family supposedly had?

I get the feeling they were more a "Crime Family" in name only because they were indeed "Musitano's," more than actually having a large membership that made up their ranks. I could be wrong because I don't know enough about them. But I'm thinking they only had a few guys who were associated with them. And once these two brothers were killed, their wasn't enough left of their alleged "troops" to even amount to anything, much less stage a retaliatory assault.

Anybody wanna add an opinion to my statement?

They had a few guys around them, not many maybe about a dozen left that didn’t take off from what I heard, only 4-5 were serious associates, so I guess they figured they would be killed soon too if they tried any retaliation. That’s what I heard anyways

I can save you some time.

You wouldn’t find many made men that flipped just because they were facing 5 years.
I don’t think I ever heard on any. That the whole story was just they were facing 5 years.

I don’t know any made guys that just ran to the FBI, because they just wanted to run to the FBI.

What you are referring to is a few guys that were either marked for death of thought they were marked for death so they ran to the FBI.

You are obviously talking about J.P.

J.P. addresses the judge and said I came here on my own I was not in trouble.

The judge shot back and said you came here because you needed protection from the FBI, and you were afraid for your life.

The Narrative of Made Men flipping because they couldn’t do 5 years, being a common thing in LCN today just is not TRUE

Canada is such a mystery how could the 2 brothers and a few associates have any sort of real power in the region?

I might have to break down and read a book or two to begin to have an understanding of what is going o up North.

Thats why many of these Canadian based crews became affiliated with traditional Cosa Nostra Families from across the border in the USA like the Buffalo and Bonanno Families. These outfits like the Musitano, etc., were Calabrian N'drangheta members who operated small "cells" of members, clans, whose central "command" for the most part was back in Calabria. So in North America they went "under" the auspices of larger established Mafia families like the Magaddino's.

The Musitano's drew their "original" power from their father Dominick who was closely tied to the N'drangheta back in Italy. Giacomo Luppino was similar to Musitano (although I firmly believe Luppino was on a much higher level than Musitano, Papalia, and others).

After the fathers death the boys (his sons) were never as powerful IMO.

It makes sense
That is why Musitano has not been touched all these years.
He had the backing of the Rizzutto's
I read that they had an associate Reiniere that was on the ground locally

I also read that Reiniere worked for Fernandez, he got killed, and then Reinierre was murdered
Than Vito Rizzutto died
The Rizzutto family was decimated the last thing they probably cared about was Hamilton area.

That left the Musitano's out on there own
In a way they never dreamed of.

If they were smart which they were NOT.
They would have closed up shop, and moved to where ever I read they have a ton of Real-Estate.

Most on here this prob old news.
I am a little late to the ball game
Sorry, about that but the thread is 8 pages too many comments to read through.

The N'drangheta Cell structure seems like a better structure in todays day and age.
Cell is really a small crew

If someone in that cell goes bad they can only hurt a few people at worst
And if the cells were family related

Not going to happen that often.

Both the Papalia's and Musitano's are from Delianuova, first are associated with Buffalo the latter with Rizzuto/Bonanno.

Thank you
I read that

Obviously as we have stated the reason why the Musitano’s are no more is because the Rizzutto’s are no more.

Are they even considered a family today?

For as smart and as powerful as they were they never seen this coming.
They were not prepared for this.

The son that is at the head today.
He wasn’t even in the life.

I still don’t know why he is in the life
If the stories about their wealth are true

Why when in a landscape where you will be killed at the drop of dime.
Anyone kills anyone it looks like.

It makes no sense.

Say what you want when LCN, was at its height
The commission made the rules to preserve itself

“NO KILLING BOSSES”

Once your made only a boss can order you dead.

Associates are not allowed to raise their hands to made men.

The Hierarchy in place if they were knocked out

You had members below waiting to take the reins.

The Rizzutto’s didn’t really survive one coup attempt.

Without Vito it collapsed.

Who did Vito see as his successor his son Nick?
Couldn’t be…

He wasn’t cut from the same cloth as his father.

Without order, there is only anarchy! Especially in Cosa Nostra and the underworld in general. Without CN as the "overseers" there is NO "organized" in organized crime.

The rules (however faulty or biased they may be) were put in place for a reason.

Musitano was in hiding after his brother was murdered someone must have found out his whereabouts in the GTA area.
Two other individuals sustained injuries John Clary and Musitano's cousin, Giuseppe (Pino) Avignone.
A retired RCMP officer later told the Toronto Star that in his opinion, Musitano was betrayed; "otherwise, how would the killer know where to find him?

There was a tracking device attached to his car by the hitmen.

He really was not hiding at all. We seen him around the city enough times. He knew his time was coming, he use to tell people it was only a matter of time.

What is the story with Rizzuto's the final story.

What crews were fighting with who?

How many crews were there?
Who is left?

Do we know any of this?