Tony Pal who was appointed consigliere in 2014
Was in charge of Windsor according to the FBI, DEA and ATF.

Also according to them as of 2015 Detroit still runs everything up there Windsor CA.

Tony Pal passed away in 2019

https://gangsterreport.com/canadian-gangland-shooting-may-have-ties-to-detroit-underworld/

Good list Furio, the one that was a suicide is the one I would take out:

1989 – Detroit mob associate Frank Stramaglia dies of an intentional drug overdose in a hotel hot tub while under indictment in Florida with his big brother and alleged Mafioso Louis (Butch) Stramaglia and rumors spreading of his contemplating cooperating with the prosecutors in the case.

Its a list from gangster report. Anyway thanks for the infos.

Running Toronto? I'm not even sure that Detroit is truly running Detroit anymore. lol

Did u just say that Furio????....that is 2 funny..LMFAO!!!

I deleted several posts that contained racist words.. NO RACIAL, RELIGIOUS OR ETHNIC SLURS ARE ALLOWED ON ANY OF OUR BOARDS!

The blacks control Detroit and Baltimore,the most violent cities in the US.

I think when people say that the blacks control a certain city they mean the violent, nitty-gritty street-level crime, not on a Mafia/organized crime level. What's left of the mob, from what I've seen, are pursuing more sophisticated, lucrative crimes and aren't as much involved in the gritty cowboy crimes of decades past because these days they are high-risk, low-reward. The Goodfellas days of hijacking trucks and stealing plane cargo at gunpoint are over. Those type of crimes made the mob very visible and resulted in steady arrests.

No.

Detroit, Baltimore, Oakland, Atlanta, Memphis, Cleveland and New Orleans are all cities where I'd say African American gangs are the number one force in organized crime. I'd count in Chicago as well, but in Chicago we also have to take Mexican gangs and what's left of the Outfit into consideration.

And I do think these type of drug gangs could be considered organized crime. It's definitely not as sophisticated or far-reaching or durable as LCN is, but the amount of weight these gangs move in the drug game is not to be underestimated. They make tons of money and in their communities they have quite a few tricks up their sleeves when it comes to money laundering. They're no LCN - nothing else is if we're being honest - but I don't think it's fair to dismiss them all as low-level street punks.

Maybe not low-level street punks, but I never found the drug world to be fascinating unless there's a mob angle. I don't care if they're moving as much weight as Noriega, still not the same. The mob to me has more swagger, the blood rituals, Family ties, old-world links, the structure, and far-flung and diversified rackets other than just drugs. I've literally seen all the movies and documentaries on black gangs, it's not the same.

Its like many clans in Naples. It are essentially gangs but control the territory and for this can easly sell large quantity of drugs.
The LCN until the 1970s was strong because had the little italies and control on their hoods.
The only difference is that a wiseguy will do anything for made more money and avoid prison or long sentences while the average black gangster doesnt fear the prison because his life isnt much better outside.

The black gangs in America are NOTHING compared to the Camorra clans in Italy. They have infiltrated all levels of society in Campania and even some northern cities, and the billion-dollar asset seizures proves that they are much bigger than any street gang in America.

I think we got way off topic here however, LCN used to supply the pimps/hustlers etc. in the minority neighborhoods going back to Prohibition, LCN would also act as a bank for numbers, in a lot neighborhoods, after prohibition then it was Cocaine, Heroin and than Crack.

At some point when American LCN stopped supplying the drugs gangs took over the neighborhoods and formed their relationships with cartels etc, the gangs formed their own relationships with their own suppliers no need to pay middle men when they can go direct to source for a better price.

Every ethnic group more or less controls the vices within their own communities and within their own people for a bunch of different reasons.

Chinese control the Chinese, The Hascid Jews control the Hascid Jewish neighborhoods ETC…

No surprises here.

Gang members do not always get opportunities to flip
When they do ALOT of them take to avoid jail, and most are never offered WitSec or anything like that.

More gang members cooperate in one year than LCN members have in the last 70-80 years.

Not all clans have the power to be more than a street level organization that be disbanded after the first arrests.

Most recently, highly structured African American gangs have made headlines for their ability to pull in hundreds of millions of dollars in illegal drug profits. At their peak, the Chicago-based Gangster Disciples were reported to generate $100 million in drug revenue. The rise and fall of the Detroit-based Black Mafia Family, which made nearly $250 million through their drug trafficking ventures during the late 1990s, has been brought to light by federal investigations.

The young gangsters in Italy are even inspired by the gangsta rap culture lol.

Take the most lousy, piece of shit Camorra clan and compare it to the most lowly African-American street gang, the least powerful and unorganized Camorra clan will win every time. Same thing if you compare the most powerful, drug-rich African-American gang to the most powerful Camorra clan, the Camorra clan will still win. I guess we could draw comparisons between the most powerful African-American gang to the least powerful Camorra clan and of course the African-Americans would win, but that wouldn't be a fair comparison now would it?

As far as young Italian gangsters being inspired by gangsta rap culture, that goes both ways. Likewise, many hip-hop artists are inspired by the Italian mob, in fact many artists are named after Italian mobsters as well as other American outlaws, everyone is inspired by someone. I'm not sure if some young, teenage Italian gangsters on the streets of Naples even matter, I'm sure they're certainly mocked and scoffed at by the big Camorra bosses who command solid clans and whose tentacles reach into all levels of Campanian society. I'm sure those young punk Camorristi are inspired by them too.

Inspired in what way?
They like some rap songs?

Rap is music from their era how and why does that even matter?

In the 60’s I am sure the young Cosa Nostra generation liked some Beatles songs, what is the point?

Nope. The young camorristi listen the neo melodici singers that are the opposite of gangster rap even if have the same values:easy money, power and women.

Yall crack me up man.... you do realize there are ACTUAL POWERFUL black gangs in Sicily and Naples, right? Maphites, Black Axe, some other one I forget, all charged with mafia association in Italy.

What's this thing where people always want to compare gangs like the Bloods with the mafia?

And bro.. let me tell you something.... if the FBI had waited until 2005 or 2015 and not 1995 to move on Hoover. Who knows? Maybe Chicago would look different. Not because of drug money, but because you would had a gang looking to control blocks of Votes. And THATS how you bind yourself to politicians. If they, the FBI, simply let ANY criminal organization run rampant for 50 years like they did with the mob... some kinda evolution is gonna be inevitable...

Also if you keep with contemporary developments in Sicily....
You get stuff like this...


The prefect of Palermo Giuseppe Forlani: "Mafia infiltrations between waste and trade. Palermo does not back down"
by Salvo Palazzolo
Prefect Forlani with Minister Lamorgese
On Friday he will retire, the balance of two years of work in Sicily. In recent months 19 bans for companies at risk of conditioning. "Cosa nostra resists the blows inflicted, we have recorded the return of old figures through unsuspected"

There is a word that he repeats while analyzing the data on the companies he has banned in the last two years for the risk of mafia infiltration: return. "We noticed the return with different corporate structures of entrepreneurs who had gone to operate in other parts of Italy - says the prefect of Palermo Giuseppe Forlani - even there they had ended up at the attention of the prefectures. A new circumstance to be analyzed also thanks to the information potential of the National Anti-Mafia Database".
Prefect Forlani will retire on September 30, after two and a half years in Palermo, but he is still in full swing: "The city must not stop looking ahead - he says - it has enormous potential, and must face its problems with determination".

The investigations of the prosecutor's office also speak of a return, the return of the old mafia families after the end of the Corleonese era. A return characterized by capital never seized. In which sectors did the banned companies operate?
"In 2022, we issued 19 bans against companies engaged in the sectors of waste disposal, construction, trade, earthmoving. In recent years, companies operating in the betting sector, social and health services and agriculture have also emerged. It is a complex and rigorous work that has brought out the mafia infiltrations, it is above all a work on a wide range of cases: 16 thousand releases have also been issued to the bodies that asked for information".

The theme of waste also returns in the interdictions of other Sicilian prefectures. Are there any connections?
"The failure to solve the waste problem at the regional level has led to spaces in which someone has managed to fit in. A system characterized by the recurrence of entrepreneurial subjects in contact with Cosa Nostra has come to light".

Despite arrests and kidnappings, the mafia organization continues to show great ability to reorganize. Why do you think that is?

"In the current dynamics, a considerable influx of money comes from drug trafficking and dealing, which today represents a great danger for our children. The age of users is getting lower and lower and the most widely used substances, in particular cocaine and synthetic drugs, are very dangerous to health even if the effects are delayed and users are able to maintain normal social relationships immediately. The attention must remain maximum especially on young people, crack is a serious threat: sometimes, manifestations of violence are closely linked to the spread of drugs".

Meanwhile, the suburbs have returned to being drug supermarkets.
"Great is the commitment of the police forces in the prevention and contrast of drug trafficking, speak h hi y I

True but over the years the Italian hip hop scene has become one of Europe's largest hip hop markets, all created through an an extensive list of top Italian rap artists.