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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
[Re: Strax]
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01/16/23 07:30 AM
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Damn this is huge! Wonder who gave him up. The same ones that were protecting him all this time. Yep but it'd be interesting to know who those people were exactly - obviously powerful politicians (maybe wealthy businessmen included as well). Also, it'd be interesting to hear the conversation where they decided to bring the hammer down on him after all of these years. I know it's never going to happen but still...
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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01/16/23 07:32 AM
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Boiardo said it 2 months ago, he said he was sick and that they would arrest him in order to a present to the actual government lol he also said that it has something to do with life sentence law https://youtu.be/5vYTD7uDy0A"May a little gift arrive?...Maybe, let's assume, that a Matteo Messina Denaro is very ill and makes a deal to surrender himself to make a sensational arrest?" Very interesting indeed.
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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01/16/23 07:38 AM
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Yep but it'd be interesting to know who those people were exactly - obviously powerful politicians (maybe wealthy businessmen included as well).
Also, it'd be interesting to hear the conversation where they decided to bring the hammer down on him after all of these years. I know it's never going to happen but still...
His father was never caught , back in the day they were close with masonic lodge P2 , Matteo was very well protected by same people , secret services etc
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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Boiardo said it 2 months ago, he said he was sick and that they would arrest him in order to a present to the actual government lol he also said that it has something to do with life sentence law https://youtu.be/5vYTD7uDy0A"May a little gift arrive?...Maybe, let's assume, that a Matteo Messina Denaro is very ill and makes a deal to surrender himself to make a sensational arrest?" Very interesting indeed. He sure did have the time to put in place a new regime.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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01/16/23 11:48 AM
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You can't hide in Sicily for 30 years , its a small island , someone decided its his time probably , wonder if someone will replace him and will Palermo take back control of mafia , this is end of Corleonesi era. I guess you can hide in Italy for 30 years, but not a day longer. I am curious, was he in charge for the last 30 years or was he in hiding with no contact like a Whitey Bulger for example? I am not knowledgeable about the Italy Mafia Families and names and hierarchy, etc. Seems like it would be hard to rule that long without showing your face, your soldiers would assume you died years ago and they were being fed BS. Thanks for posting
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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Boiardo said it 2 months ago, he said he was sick and that they would arrest him in order to a present to the actual government lol he also said that it has something to do with life sentence law https://youtu.be/5vYTD7uDy0AWhat do you mean something to do with the life sentence law?
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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I am curious, was he in charge for the last 30 years or was he in hiding with no contact like a Whitey Bulger for example? Thanks for posting
He was very much in charge , last word in every important decision was his. He is most influential mafioso in Italy for sure. Provenzano managed 43 years on the run , while still being in charge , corruption in South Italy and connections with masonic lodges,secret services allows you that. If he wasn't ill he wouldn't be caught yet, his prognosis doesn't look good. Interesting times ahead for Cosa Nostra possible power struggle?
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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01/16/23 01:29 PM
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I am curious, was he in charge for the last 30 years or was he in hiding with no contact like a Whitey Bulger for example? Thanks for posting
He was very much in charge , last word in every important decision was his. He is most influential mafioso in Italy for sure. Provenzano managed 43 years on the run , while still being in charge , corruption in South Italy and connections with masonic lodges,secret services allows you that. Very influential, but "never" the sole leader of the Sicilian Mafia, the chief prosecutor of Palermo Maurizio de Lucia said on Monday.
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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01/16/23 02:09 PM
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In this guys prime he was nothing but a terrorist and child killer. Guy was a piece of fucking shit just like those cartel bosses down in Mexico.
Good riddance to this guy the world is better off with him off the streets of Italy. Not trying to stir up shit, but just a question as I'm curious about your opinion. Do you think that the US born mobsters would be any different if they were born in Italy and joined the Mafia in Italy? Or alternatively, if the US was anything like Italy in terms of corruption and allowing all of those killings to happen that the US mobsters would not do the same stuff that's happening in Italy? Again, not trying to pick a fight with anyone just wondering what the opinion is.
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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As anticipated, there is another factor to take into account: the criminal thickness of the 'Ndrangheta, now clearly superior to that of the Cosa Nostra. The Sicilian mafia has weakened a lot after the massacres and excellent arrests, with the capture of all the members of the " Cupola ". Sicilian organized crime has to deal with a leadership problem, Ciconte reflected: "In the 'Ndrangheta this problem does not exist because it is strong, unlike the Sicilian mafia it is present throughout Italy, no region excluded, and is present throughout Europe and on all continents. It is therefore clear that it is a major force of the Sicilian mafia” . Returning to the legacy of Messina Denaro, who will now command the "Dome"? “Diabolik” may have raised his owndolphin : “It is likely that someone raised him, even if we don't know who. This is out of the question. But from hiding it is much more complicated " .
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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01/16/23 02:39 PM
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Have not posted in a long time, but could not resist when I saw this news. I wonder who is next in line. Only time will tell.
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!!
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01/16/23 02:52 PM
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In this guys prime he was nothing but a terrorist and child killer. Guy was a piece of fucking shit just like those cartel bosses down in Mexico.
Good riddance to this guy the world is better off with him off the streets of Italy. Not trying to stir up shit, but just a question as I'm curious about your opinion. Do you think that the US born mobsters would be any different if they were born in Italy and joined the Mafia in Italy? Or alternatively, if the US was anything like Italy in terms of corruption and allowing all of those killings to happen that the US mobsters would not do the same stuff that's happening in Italy? Again, not trying to pick a fight with anyone just wondering what the opinion is. No offense taken CleanBandit! My answer to you is yes I think if the guys over here were born in Italy and were involved in the mafia out there, that yes they would more than likely commit the same crimes as we are reading about today. But as we both know things are handled differently over here, much more differently. Do killings happen? Yes. Is there some stuff that has gone down here that is brutal and barbaric? Yes of course. But its not nearly as common over here as it is in Italy. Killing a child would get you killed over here by many bosses also and that is a fact. The mafia in Italy on another hand just look at it as another day in the office to get what they want.
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