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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: CleanBandit] #1048462
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Originally Posted by CleanBandit
Damn this is huge! Wonder who gave him up.


The same ones that were protecting him all this time.


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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by Strax
You can't hide in Sicily for 30 years , its a small island , someone decided its his time probably , wonder if someone will replace him and will Palermo take back control of mafia , this is end of Corleonesi era.


The Corleonesi era ended with Provenzano arrest in 2006. In Palermo the families with the return of the scappati in the 1980s tried to rebuilt a Cosa Nostra Commision but was all arrested before can do it.



Not quite Fur...... I posted several articles across the street, Palermo Don's were still communicating with him through the note system...... seeing his approval on the big mafia matters....

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Originally Posted by CabriniGreen


Not quite Fur...... I posted several articles across the street, Palermo Don's were still communicating with him through the note system...... seeing his approval on the big mafia matters....


Trapani is powerful as Palermo if not more , they are also very well connected with local masonic lodges like Iside. We will see how things play out after this


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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048465
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Boiardo said it 2 months ago, he said he was sick and that they would arrest him in order to a present to the actual government lol he also said that it has something to do with life sentence law
https://youtu.be/5vYTD7uDy0A

Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Strax] #1048466
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Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by CleanBandit
Damn this is huge! Wonder who gave him up.


The same ones that were protecting him all this time.


Yep but it'd be interesting to know who those people were exactly - obviously powerful politicians (maybe wealthy businessmen included as well).

Also, it'd be interesting to hear the conversation where they decided to bring the hammer down on him after all of these years. I know it's never going to happen but still...

Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: m2w] #1048467
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Originally Posted by m2w

Boiardo said it 2 months ago, he said he was sick and that they would arrest him in order to a present to the actual government lol he also said that it has something to do with life sentence law
https://youtu.be/5vYTD7uDy0A


"May a little gift arrive?...Maybe, let's assume, that a Matteo Messina Denaro is very ill and makes a deal to surrender himself to make a sensational arrest?"

Very interesting indeed.


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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048468
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Wow that's actually very likely what happened

Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: CleanBandit] #1048469
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Originally Posted by CleanBandit


Yep but it'd be interesting to know who those people were exactly - obviously powerful politicians (maybe wealthy businessmen included as well).

Also, it'd be interesting to hear the conversation where they decided to bring the hammer down on him after all of these years. I know it's never going to happen but still...





His father was never caught , back in the day they were close with masonic lodge P2 , Matteo was very well protected by same people , secret services etc

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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Strax] #1048470
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Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by m2w

Boiardo said it 2 months ago, he said he was sick and that they would arrest him in order to a present to the actual government lol he also said that it has something to do with life sentence law
https://youtu.be/5vYTD7uDy0A


"May a little gift arrive?...Maybe, let's assume, that a Matteo Messina Denaro is very ill and makes a deal to surrender himself to make a sensational arrest?"

Very interesting indeed.


He sure did have the time to put in place a new regime.


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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048474
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I would have loved to see this guys house. Has to be gigantic.

Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048476
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Originally Posted by Hollander

He sure did have the time to put in place a new regime.


When asked "When will Matteo Messina Denaro be arrested?" He answers "The dates speak for themselves". Him being arrested exactly 30 years after Riina.


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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048478
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This is crazy! A great day for Italy


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Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away
Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048479
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There isn't going to be a bigger story in the underworld this year. That's for sure.

Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048480
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048482
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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Strax] #1048483
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Originally Posted by Strax
You can't hide in Sicily for 30 years , its a small island , someone decided its his time probably , wonder if someone will replace him and will Palermo take back control of mafia , this is end of Corleonesi era.


I guess you can hide in Italy for 30 years, but not a day longer.
I am curious, was he in charge for the last 30 years or was he in hiding with no contact like a Whitey Bulger for example? I am not knowledgeable about the Italy Mafia Families and names and hierarchy, etc.
Seems like it would be hard to rule that long without showing your face, your soldiers would assume you died years ago and they were being fed BS.

Thanks for posting

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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048490
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(VIDEO) Telephone interceptions and serious health problems. How Messina Denaro was arrested
by: Redaction - of 2023-01-16

The intuition of about three months ago that led to the arrest of the boss after 30 years on the run came from the wiretapping of Messina Denaro's relatives in recent months. Someone in the family, as confirmedLivesicilia.it, he was sick. The name and surname were not mentioned and from there the new lead that led to the arrest of Matteo Messina Denaro started.

From the insights into the health sector, it emerged of a sixty-year-old who in the past underwent surgery at the La Maddalena clinic in Palermo for colon cancer. Further investigating the medical records, it emerged that Matteo Messina Denaro (alias Andrea Bonafede) had to perform some preparatory analyzes at the beginning of a cycle of chemotherapy.

On the date of the first intervention, however, it was ascertained that the telephone cell of the real Bonafede (nephew of the historic mafia boss Leonardo) confirmed his presence in Campobello di Mazara and not in the place where the intervention was carried out.

This resulted in the confirmation that the operation had been performed in favor of another person. The clues converge and hence the choice of the investigators to organize the blitz inside the clinic where the arrest took place.

Colon cancer and liver cancer prompted Messina Denaro to come out of his hiding place and travel by car with Giovanni Luppino from Campobello (also arrested) without escaping the radar of the investigators who had been working on his arrest for years.


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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Millspgh] #1048493
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Originally Posted by Millspgh

I am curious, was he in charge for the last 30 years or was he in hiding with no contact like a Whitey Bulger for example?
Thanks for posting


He was very much in charge , last word in every important decision was his. He is most influential mafioso in Italy for sure. Provenzano managed 43 years on the run , while still being in charge , corruption in South Italy and connections with masonic lodges,secret services allows you that.


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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: m2w] #1048494
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Originally Posted by m2w

Boiardo said it 2 months ago, he said he was sick and that they would arrest him in order to a present to the actual government lol he also said that it has something to do with life sentence law
https://youtu.be/5vYTD7uDy0A


What do you mean something to do with the life sentence law?

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Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by Millspgh

I am curious, was he in charge for the last 30 years or was he in hiding with no contact like a Whitey Bulger for example?
Thanks for posting


He was very much in charge , last word in every important decision was his. He is most influential mafioso in Italy for sure. Provenzano managed 43 years on the run , while still being in charge , corruption in South Italy and connections with masonic lodges,secret services allows you that.


If he wasn't ill he wouldn't be caught yet, his prognosis doesn't look good. Interesting times ahead for Cosa Nostra possible power struggle?


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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048496
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In this guys prime he was nothing but a terrorist and child killer. Guy was a piece of fucking shit just like those cartel bosses down in Mexico.

Good riddance to this guy the world is better off with him off the streets of Italy.

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Originally Posted by Hollander

If he wasn't ill he wouldn't be caught yet, his prognosis doesn't look good. Interesting times ahead for Cosa Nostra possible power struggle?


I don't think he will live to see 2024.


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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048502
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The government over there is just as guilty, you really think the Mafia acts alone? Even if you took the mob out of the picture, government and big business would still be doing the same scummy things like in America. Just look at the day he was caught. This shit looks planned.

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Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by Millspgh

I am curious, was he in charge for the last 30 years or was he in hiding with no contact like a Whitey Bulger for example?
Thanks for posting


He was very much in charge , last word in every important decision was his. He is most influential mafioso in Italy for sure. Provenzano managed 43 years on the run , while still being in charge , corruption in South Italy and connections with masonic lodges,secret services allows you that.


Very influential, but "never" the sole leader of the Sicilian Mafia, the chief prosecutor of Palermo Maurizio de Lucia said on Monday.

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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: RushStreet] #1048505
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Originally Posted by RushStreet
In this guys prime he was nothing but a terrorist and child killer. Guy was a piece of fucking shit just like those cartel bosses down in Mexico.

Good riddance to this guy the world is better off with him off the streets of Italy.


Not trying to stir up shit, but just a question as I'm curious about your opinion.

Do you think that the US born mobsters would be any different if they were born in Italy and joined the Mafia in Italy?

Or alternatively, if the US was anything like Italy in terms of corruption and allowing all of those killings to happen that the US mobsters would not do the same stuff that's happening in Italy?

Again, not trying to pick a fight with anyone just wondering what the opinion is.

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As anticipated, there is another factor to take into account: the criminal thickness of the 'Ndrangheta, now clearly superior to that of the Cosa Nostra. The Sicilian mafia has weakened a lot after the massacres and excellent arrests, with the capture of all the members of the " Cupola ". Sicilian organized crime has to deal with a leadership problem, Ciconte reflected: "In the 'Ndrangheta this problem does not exist because it is strong, unlike the Sicilian mafia it is present throughout Italy, no region excluded, and is present throughout Europe and on all continents. It is therefore clear that it is a major force of the Sicilian mafia” . Returning to the legacy of Messina Denaro, who will now command the "Dome"? “Diabolik” may have raised his owndolphin : “It is likely that someone raised him, even if we don't know who. This is out of the question. But from hiding it is much more complicated " .


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Have not posted in a long time, but could not resist when I saw this news. I wonder who is next in line. Only time will tell.


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Originally Posted by CleanBandit
Originally Posted by RushStreet
In this guys prime he was nothing but a terrorist and child killer. Guy was a piece of fucking shit just like those cartel bosses down in Mexico.

Good riddance to this guy the world is better off with him off the streets of Italy.


Not trying to stir up shit, but just a question as I'm curious about your opinion.

Do you think that the US born mobsters would be any different if they were born in Italy and joined the Mafia in Italy?

Or alternatively, if the US was anything like Italy in terms of corruption and allowing all of those killings to happen that the US mobsters would not do the same stuff that's happening in Italy?

Again, not trying to pick a fight with anyone just wondering what the opinion is.


No offense taken CleanBandit!

My answer to you is yes I think if the guys over here were born in Italy and were involved in the mafia out there, that yes they would more than likely commit the same crimes as we are reading about today. But as we both know things are handled differently over here, much more differently. Do killings happen? Yes. Is there some stuff that has gone down here that is brutal and barbaric? Yes of course. But its not nearly as common over here as it is in Italy. Killing a child would get you killed over here by many bosses also and that is a fact. The mafia in Italy on another hand just look at it as another day in the office to get what they want.

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I think so as well - the only difference is the laws of a country but at the end of the day if given the chance, about 95% (if not more) of the criminals would do whatever they need to gain power/money.

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