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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048620
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Why the hell would he take selfies with doctors in La Maddalena

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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: m2w] #1048623
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Originally Posted by m2w
maybe Giovanni Motisi


For sure a candidate who can lead a moderate Cosa Nostra, he is currently considered one of the most powerful Mafia bosses in Palermo almost 25 years on the run.


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Originally Posted by m2w
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So if i understand correctly Paolo Borsellino's brother is implying there are still negotiations between mafia and state? I thought it stopped with Riina's arrest.


according to Baiardo the negotiation was never over


Who is this baiardo or Boiardo you keep mentioning

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They found in his hideout pizzini, wigs, designer clothes, perfumes and erection pills.


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Originally Posted by Mafia101
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Originally Posted by Strax
So if i understand correctly Paolo Borsellino's brother is implying there are still negotiations between mafia and state? I thought it stopped with Riina's arrest.


according to Baiardo the negotiation was never over


Who is this baiardo or Boiardo you keep mentioning


Salvatore Baiardo is the Piedmontese ice cream maker of Sicilian origins who in the early 1990s helped the fugitives Giuseppe and Filippo Graviano. He became a repentant.


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Originally Posted by Strax
Why the hell would he take selfies with doctors in La Maddalena

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Looks like he doesn't care anymore also with the texting to other patiens/doctors. He knows his time is running out they say he want to enjoy the time he has to see his daughter and family.

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Matteo Messina Denaro and the Camorra, business with the Nuvolettas and the Casalesi: he wanted to involve them in the attack on the state

Antonio Mangione
January 16, 2023


Matteo Messina Denaro is the cornerstone of criminal and political interests, of unmentionable plots. In 30 years on the run he has also woven the web of relationships with the other most powerful criminal organizations in Italy, the Neapolitan Camorra and the Calabrian 'ndrina. The superboss, godfather of Castelvetrano, arrested on the morning of Monday 16 January, during his long 'criminal career', had relationships with various members of the clans of the Neapolitan Camorra. In particular, the Neapolitan clan that has had the closest relations with the now ex-fugitive is that of the Nuvoletta di Marano . Relations of interests, especially in the field of drugs and betting, as evidenced by some raids carried out in recent years.
Relations between the Camorra and Messina Denaro
In 2016 drug trafficking was discovered between Naples and Palermo, a loyalist of the fugitive boss Matteo Messina Denaro was also arrested in the blitz. According to what was reconstructed, the latter had periodically gone to Marano to the home of an unsuspecting businessman to deliver him large sums of money. A few days after these trips, the supplier, via a courier, had sent large quantities of drugs to the Sicilian capital.
The boss' loyalist had already been arrested for having "lent" his identity to the fugitive boss who, for months, would go around with his documents. The collaborator of justice Salvatore Grigoli had also spoken about him. He had indicated him as a trusted man of the Trapani mafia boss who spent part of his hiding in Bagheria and its surroundings in the early 1990s.

In 2018, as part of the 'Revolutionbet 2' investigation by the Catania prosecutor's office on the mafia and online betting, subjects linked both to Matteo Messina Denaro , including his nephew, and people attributable to the Camorra 'family' of the Nuvolettas were arrested by Marano.

Relations with the Casalesi
Relations between the Casalesi and the Sicilian mafia were also strong, and therefore also with Messija Denaro. In 2019 he emerged according to the repentant Emanuele Merendathat Matteo Messina Denaro would also have found refuge in Veneto. And he would have been the guest of a Palermitan involved in the investigation by the Venice Dda into the infiltrations of the Casalesi in Ercalea. The "boss of bosses" would have been housed in a cellar in the municipality of Treviso. At the time of the statements, the lawyer of the person involved had defined Merenda's statements as "without any confirmation, also given the recent ruling by the Collegiate Court of Pordenone which in fact considered him unreliable" and maintained that his client "did not never hosted, nor in any way favored, the fugitive of any boss of criminal associations”; for the lawyer it would have been false accusations motivated by old grievances against his client. However, common interests between the two clans emerged in several blitzes,in the agri-food, transport and construction fields.

The existence of the super dome
In January 2015, the collaborator of justice Antonino Fiume, speaking in the context of the 'Ndrangheta massacre trial, told of the existence of a super-dome based in Milan, a "consortium" which included the leaders of 'Ndrangheta, Camorra, Sacred crown united and environments attributable to Cosa nostra (also of the current of the boss of bosses Totò Riina and therefore of the Corleonesi).

Another super-repentant of Cosa nostra, Giovanni Brusca , also spoke in that trial . According to the latter, the mafia gave Matteo Messina Denaro the task of convincing the Camorra and, specifically, the Nuvoletta di Marano (affiliated with Cosa nostra, ed) to participate in the massacre project against the State, then completed with the attacks against judges Falcone and Borsellino.


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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048668
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The oncologist of Messina Denaro speaks: "His conditions are serious"
"He welcomed the poor prognosis with great dignity"

PALERMO – “His conditions are serious, the disease has accelerated in recent months. I wouldn't call him a healthy patient. I am sure he will continue to receive all the care he needs. Yesterday the carabinieri asked me if postponing the chemotherapy cycle that he was supposed to have here by three or four days would have had consequences and I signed the authorization because such a limited delay will have no effect on his state of health ” .


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Re: Messina Denaro arrested!! [Re: Hollander] #1048697
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Originally Posted by Hollander
As anticipated, there is another factor to take into account: the criminal thickness of the 'Ndrangheta, now clearly superior to that of the Cosa Nostra. The Sicilian mafia has weakened a lot after the massacres and excellent arrests, with the capture of all the members of the " Cupola ". Sicilian organized crime has to deal with a leadership problem, Ciconte reflected: "In the 'Ndrangheta this problem does not exist because it is strong, unlike the Sicilian mafia it is present throughout Italy, no region excluded, and is present throughout Europe and on all continents. It is therefore clear that it is a major force of the Sicilian mafia” . Returning to the legacy of Messina Denaro, who will now command the "Dome"? “Diabolik” may have raised his owndolphin : “It is likely that someone raised him, even if we don't know who. This is out of the question. But from hiding it is much more complicated " .

Ndrangheta has also problems nowadays with all the inquiries done by Gratteri, i think Cosa Nostra is still strong politically speaking but less involved in international drug trafficking

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Second hideout of Messina Denaro found
In bunker near first one at Campobello di Mazara

(ANSA) - ROME, JAN 18 - Italian police on Wednesday found a second hideout of Matteo Messina Denaro, the Mafia superboss caught at a Palermo cancer clinic after 30 years on the run Monday.
The fugitive boss carved the hideout into a bunker in a house near his first hideout in an alley in Campobello di Mazara, near his home town of Castelvetrano near Trapani, police said.
Police found the first hideout there Tuesday.
They found designer clothes and Viagra among his personal items.
Messina Denaro, 60, Italy's most wanted man before his sensational capture, had his first hour-long 'air' break from the tough anti-mafia 41 bis prison regime at L'Aquila Prison earlier Wednesday.
He was said to be relaxed and smiling despite being seriously ill with cancer.
A chemotherapy unit is being set up for him in the jail.
Italian police say the infamous boss dubbed Diabolik for his glamorous super-villain image was helped to evade capture by a "mafia middle class" across Sicily and especially around Trapani, his power base. (ANSA).

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It took them 30 years to catch this guy. Fugitive bosses in Mexico don't even last that long. Cosa Nostra is far from finished.

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Originally Posted by Liggio
It took them 30 years to catch this guy. Fugitive bosses in Mexico don't even last that long. Cosa Nostra is far from finished.


yeah, also Baiardo in the interview said clearly there is still a negotiations with the state like the early 1990s

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Originally Posted by m2w

yeah, also Baiardo in the interview said clearly there is still a negotiations with the state like the early 1990s


Both Baiardo and Borsellino said the same thing , but i highly doubt it , i do believe this "arrest" was some part of the deal and that he surrendered but negotiations with the state ,as i said earlier i can't think of powerful enough individuals so state would negotiate with them , what are negotiations about ? 41 bis is not going away.


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Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by m2w

yeah, also Baiardo in the interview said clearly there is still a negotiations with the state like the early 1990s


Both Baiardo and Borsellino said the same thing , but i highly doubt it , i do believe this "arrest" was some part of the deal and that he surrendered but negotiations with the state ,as i said earlier i can't think of powerful enough individuals so state would negotiate with them , what are negotiations about ? 41 bis is not going away.


Baiardo said they arrested Messina Denaro (or let himself be arrested) to have the Graviano brothers (and others) released from prison, in other words the abolition of the sentence for life aggravated by mafia-type association

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Originally Posted by m2w


Baiardo said they arrested Messina Denaro (or let himself be arrested) to have the Graviano brothers (and others) released from prison, in other words the abolition of the sentence for life aggravated by mafia-type association


There is no way that is going to happen, even if that there was a deal, what are they going to do if state doesn't do their part? Pretty much nothing,but time will tell


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All the women of Matteo Messina Denaro, his daughter Lorenza: "I don't want to know anything"
by Laura Spano January 18, 2023
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Matteo Messina Denaro's hideout where the diary was found in which he also spoke of his daughter
Lorenza Alagna is 27 years old today and according to investigators she would never have met Matteo Messina Denaro , her father. "I don't want to know anything, leave me alone, pretend I don't exist," she said after her father's arrest. Words reported by Il Fatto Quotidiano in the same vein as those said some time ago on Tg2, behind the closed shutters of her home: «I don't want to give interviews, I don't want to be in the spotlight. That's enough. I am a very normal girl like all the others. I want to be left alone. You have to pretend I don't exist."

In his exchange of letters with Suetonius, alias Antonino Vaccarino , the former mayor of Castelvetrano, the then fugitive Matteo Messina Denaro, signing himself Alessio, wrote: «I don't know my daughter. I've never see her. Destiny wanted it that way. I hope that life takes everything from me to give it to her (…). Not knowing your own children is against nature." And the boss also speaks of his daughter in his diary found in the Campobello di Mazara hideout.

Messina Denaro's daughter and wiretapping
In the interceptions collected over the years by the agents of the "captured" of the Trapani mobile team, Lorenza Santangelo, the mother of the boss, complained that her niece was growing up and he had never seen her. The difficulties of a man perpetually on the run are testified by family arguments. «You have to tell your brother that he has a daughter who turned 11 in December and that the time has come for him to write something to her too, because now the girl is starting to ask questions about her father and he can't continue to ignore her as he has always done, even forgetting his daughter's birthday».

The brother tried to find excuses for Matteo's shortcomings: "It is clear that in the place where he is he cannot write, he cannot send anything". After all, it was he himself who defended his choices, in another letter, in which he even claimed for himself the role of defender of a "just cause".

Meanwhile, daughter Lorenza grew up and was never officially recognized by her father. "How much I would like the affection of a person and unfortunately this person is not present by my side and she will never be present because of fate...", she wrote on Facebook a few years ago. Today she doesn't want to know about her father, she denies him.

All the women by Matteo Messina Denaro
When Matteo Messina Denaro began his long hiding in January 1993, he dismissed his girlfriend at the time, Sonia, with a message: "I don't even want to think about involving you in this labyrinth from which I don't know how I'll get out for the simple fact that I don't I know how and when I got there. Don't think about me anymore, it's not worth it." In the following months, the boss established a stable relationship with Franca Maria Alagna , the woman who gave birth to his daughter Lorenza on 17 December 1995, who bears her mother's surname and her paternal grandmother's name. After her birth, Messina Denaro's partner went to live with her mother-in-law together with her newborn. Once she came of age, both Lorenza and her mother obtained "permission" to move away from Castelvetrano.

On July 14, 2021, Messina Denaro became a grandfather: Lorenza Alagna gave birth to a child who has neither his grandfather's name nor his natural father's surname (but that of his mother).

Franca Maria Alagna was not the boss's only woman. Among the other important female figures in Messina Denaro's life, there is Andrea Hasleher , a young Austrian with whom he had fallen in love. Enough to order the murder of the director of the hotel in Selinunte where she worked in the summer. Maria Mesi , on the other hand, is the one who has been closest to the boss over the years. “You are the most beautiful thing there is,” Messina Denaro wrote to her in a pizzino intercepted by the investigators. In addition to the sporadic meetings (in an apartment on the outskirts of Palermo and in a villa in Bagheria) with Mesi, the boss established a correspondence that ended up in the hands of the investigators several times.

Love letters in which Maria announced gifts such as perfumes or video games, Matteo Messina Denaro's great passion during his long absence. «You know, I read in the video game magazine that the Donkey Kong 3 tape is out and I can't wait for it to be on the market to buy it for you. That of Secret Maya 2 has not yet arrived. You are the most beautiful thing there is», was written in a letter sent by the woman to Messina Denaro. Precisely this link with Matteo Messina Denaro led Maria Mesi to prison for aggravated aiding and abetting, it was 2000. And she was detained until February of the following year (2001).

It was by following the movements of the woman that in 1998 the forces of order came one step away from the capture of the boss. On that occasion, in fact, they discovered a hideout in Bagheria, in via Milwaukee 40. When the police officers broke in, Messina Denaro had already escaped. A jar of Nutella, one of caviar, an incomplete puzzle, a carton of Merit cigarettes were found in the house.


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Matteo Messina Denaro "is not a person, I think he is a beast". This is how Giovanna Ragolia , wife of Rosario Sciacca , innocent victim of an ambush on a gangster in which Messina Denaro participated on 11 June 1990 speaks of the boss arrested on Monday 16 January. “For me it is the end of a journey, but we are not free from the mafias. I hope that he can collaborate to reveal all the secrets that are many and very serious, so that our beautiful Sicilian land and our nation Italy can be truly free ", said Ragolia on the sidelines of the flash-mob organized in the morning in Castelvetrano.


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Originally Posted by m2w
Second hideout of Messina Denaro found
In bunker near first one at Campobello di Mazara

(ANSA) - ROME, JAN 18 - Italian police on Wednesday found a second hideout of Matteo Messina Denaro, the Mafia superboss caught at a Palermo cancer clinic after 30 years on the run Monday.
The fugitive boss carved the hideout into a bunker in a house near his first hideout in an alley in Campobello di Mazara, near his home town of Castelvetrano near Trapani, police said.
Police found the first hideout there Tuesday.
They found designer clothes and Viagra among his personal items.
Messina Denaro, 60, Italy's most wanted man before his sensational capture, had his first hour-long 'air' break from the tough anti-mafia 41 bis prison regime at L'Aquila Prison earlier Wednesday.
He was said to be relaxed and smiling despite being seriously ill with cancer.
A chemotherapy unit is being set up for him in the jail.
Italian police say the infamous boss dubbed Diabolik for his glamorous super-villain image was helped to evade capture by a "mafia middle class" across Sicily and especially around Trapani, his power base. (ANSA).

the home belongs to Errico Risalvato a former politician

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Originally Posted by m2w

the home belongs to Errico Risalvato a former politician


He was acquitted of mafia charges in 2001. His brother is Giovanni Risalvato a concrete entrepreneur.

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41 bis may not ever officially go away, but it can be trampled upon and disregarded, as has often happened with several mob bosses still running their clans. 41 bis or maximum security can only do so much. People are still corruptible, especially during hard economic times.

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Originally Posted by Strax
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the home belongs to Errico Risalvato a former politician


He was acquitted of mafia charges in 2001. His brother is Giovanni Risalvato a concrete entrepreneur.


His links to noble families from the bourgeoisie are very strong without them he wouldn't have survived for 30 years.

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Originally Posted by Hollander

His links to noble families from the bourgeoisie are very strong without them he wouldn't have survived for 30 years.


Looks like his doctor Alfonso Tumbarello who is a freemason got suspended from Grand Orient of Italy after his arrest.


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Originally Posted by Strax
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His links to noble families from the bourgeoisie are very strong without them he wouldn't have survived for 30 years.


Looks like his doctor Alfonso Tumbarello who is a freemason got suspended from Grand Orient of Italy after his arrest.


No suprise,Palermo prosecutor Maurizio De Lucia immediately made it clear that the investigative "attention" of his office will be directed to this gray area.


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"Freemasonry has protected him all over the world"
Teresa Principato, former magistrate

According to the former magistrate Messina Denaro would have managed to travel to Venezuela, Spain and England thanks to a network of contacts: "Through the letters rogatory we found traces of his presence, unfortunately not him.

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The P2, Gelli and the dark side of Italian history

January 18, 2023 • 8:27 pm
Over time, Masonic has become synonymous with opacity, with obscure textures. Sometimes, however, there is the impression that the term "Freemasonry" is used at random, by way of bogeyman.
What is certain is that, in the face of facts that could destabilize the system, there are those who feel the duty to appeal to reasons of state, that is, to cover up.
As long as there is room for areas of opacity, for underground powers, democracy will always be in danger.


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Originally Posted by m2w

Boiardo said it 2 months ago, he said he was sick and that they would arrest him in order to a present to the actual government lol he also said that it has something to do with life sentence law
https://youtu.be/5vYTD7uDy0A

it was translated in english

https://youtu.be/1uscnYebyT0

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Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by Hollander

His links to noble families from the bourgeoisie are very strong without them he wouldn't have survived for 30 years.


Looks like his doctor Alfonso Tumbarello who is a freemason got suspended from Grand Orient of Italy after his arrest.


Giovanni Lo Sciuto, formerly local ras of Ncd, originally from Castelvetrano. Arrested in 2019, then finished on trial for violating the Anselmi law, the Trapani prosecutor charges him, among other things, with having created a secret lodge, also in the city of Messina Denaro. According to wiretaps, in 2016 the politician managed to be notified of the existence of an investigation top secret on the links between the mafia and the lodges. “There are 23 warrants for Freemasonry, your brother is there too”, a Freemason dentist revealed to him, explaining that the raid by the investigators could be imminent: “You know why the judges don't do it? Because they are all Freemasons”.


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A third hideout was discovered in which the boss Matteo Messina Denaro allegedly lived. Located in Campobello di Mazara, however, it seems that the apartment is empty and for sale. Further investigations are in progress. The building is located at number 260 in via San Giovanni and it was the owner's brother who opened it to the police: the latter, in fact, has lived in Switzerland for 40 years.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
A third hideout was discovered in which the boss Matteo Messina Denaro allegedly lived. Located in Campobello di Mazara, however, it seems that the apartment is empty and for sale. Further investigations are in progress. The building is located at number 260 in via San Giovanni and it was the owner's brother who opened it to the police: the latter, in fact, has lived in Switzerland for 40 years.

among the documents police found the mobile number of the former venerable master of the masonic lodge "Ferrer" Of Castelvetrano, the doctor Quintino Paola

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Originally Posted by m2w

among the documents police found the mobile number of the former venerable master of the masonic lodge "Ferrer" Of Castelvetrano, the doctor Quintino Paola


He said its because he is urologist for 42 years and that's why he would have his number.


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