Yep. Lol. What they meant to say was that, "Crime doesn't pay!...Not as much as it used to anyway." Lol
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Alvin Malnik was a corrupt attorney and mob frontman, who the Mafia also used as one of their "beards" for skimming casino cash, business corporation cash, and in various other money-laundering operations.

Yeah I've seen this before. Meyer says, "I was singled out for some reason, I guess they needed an image." Lol

Amsterdam
It is more or less commen knowledge that Cellini finance with local boss Maurits de Vries (Zwarte Joop) illegal gambling clubs.
The gambling networks in 70s;80's early 90's where huge and cross-border.

In Hamburg, Germany was a years-long investigation that ended in 1982 in some guilty verdicts. At that time a man named William Ray Davis (connected with Florida,maybe cuba, Carlo Mastrototaro) was a middelsman to the US mob. In 1978 Wilfried Schulz (godfather of Hamburg), Joe Nesline, Dino Cellini, Freddy Ayoub were observed. Already in 1974 contacts between Schulz and the Nesline Network became known for the first time. At that time it was also about business in boxing.

Davis was involved in shooting in illegal gambling clubs in Stockholm. Between his groups and yugos.

100% sure is Cellini /Nesline involvment in a casino in yugoslavia.

little bit about nesline

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...al/47c509a9-66b9-4c89-a3be-75a072b1c120/

Good post Nitro!

Gambling and sex boss Zwarte Joop, also Jewish, met Dino in Rome in '72.
In '74 Vincent Alo and some others came to Amsterdam.

Freddy Ayoub I forgot about him one of those under the radar guys.

Interesting that he was linked to the presidential run of Nixon.

Very good post Nitro. Thank you for this.

@Nitro any idea which boxers/fights?

"They were observed" and "It is more or less common knowledge" are vague meaningless terms. Nothing about Lansky.

I swear, some people here love and believe every story or conspiracy theory that comes along. God forbid any questioning of claims to logic is applied. A person can say Lansky was behind the Kennedy assassination and it will be accepted as fact. If another story says it was the CIA that will be accepted as fact.

Back in the 1930s-early 1940s era, Lucky Luciano, Frank Costello, Meyer Lansky, Joe Adonis, (and others), supposedly played a role in the selection and support of several candidates in a U.S. Presidential election. Being the "wiseguys" they were, they made sure to back both the Democrat and Republican candidates for office. They were so instrumental in (secretly) raising funds for both parties, that they were invited, and attended, several major political affairs in Washington, D.C. (maybe even the announcement night, or inauguration)...THAT'S power!

OC will never enjoy that type of influence over our country again. Not even close.

These days corporations and freemasons enjoy that power. The government is evil, let's not pretend the mob were the only ones guilty here.

Powers of the "upper" world, often intermingle with the "under" world, to blur the division between the two. Thats been going on, in one form or another, almost since the beginning of time. All around the world.

Thats an interesting question Hollander. I'm curious about that myself.

Secret mistress of infamous Mafia kingpin Meyer Lansky speaks for first time of her 12-year affair with the 'Mob accountant' and says the Murder Inc. founder was sensitive to the point of tears

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Meyer-Lansky-speaks-12-year-affair.html

The journalist Lansky complained about in the Israeli TV interview was Hank Messick, who in 1965 published a series of articles in the Miami Herald in which he called Lansky "the boss of the Eastern Syndicate," "the biggest man in organized crime today," and said he was "worth $300 million." All were wild exaggerations. But, all of us here know that BS like that sticks to OC and the wilder the exaggerations, the more they stick--and the more myths get built around them. That article, which became established "fact" thanks to lazy, sensation-seeking journalists, was the beginning of the end for Lansky thanks to the myths that got built around him,

The Justice Dept. in 1971 launced an 18-city Organized Crime Strike Force. Seventeen of the 18 were cities. The Messick article stimulated them to make Lansky the 18th "city." The department and the FBI dogged him for the rest of his life--in the US and in Israel.

Robert Lacey, in his outstanding biography, "Little Man - Meyer Lansky and the Gangster Life," said this about Lansky's attempts to establish himself in the Bahamas: "The Royal Commission of Inquiry into The Bahamas Casinos in 1967 reported that 'we began to wonder whether the name of Meyer Lansky was not some vast journalistic piece of fiction, so ghastly and mythical a figure did he appear.'"

"Such was the magic of the Lansky name that Lansky and the underworld had become virtually synonymous," Lacey wrote. "Like the word 'Mafia' itself, 'Meyer Lansky' had become shorthand for a particular sort of evil. If an operation was cunning and financially complicated, it had to have been devised by Meyer Lansky. To write 'Lansky' was a substitute for analyziing investigative complications, and when reporters found that the facts could not support the concept of the hidden Lansky command structure that had become an article of investigative faith, they resorted to expressions like the 'Lansky Group' or the 'Lansky Syndicate.'"

That's great information there Turnbull. It also explains how many tall tales get their start.

I remember Hank Messick, he was a longtime reporter on the organized crime beat when also wrote a few books, one of which was about Lansky as you said. I also remember how Lansky was dogged by the U.S. Government. So much so that he went to Israel to seek asylum as a Jew. But the Israeli government turned him down not wanting to anger U.S. authorities, forcing him to return to Miami where he was placed under arrest at the airport.
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But I'm not following your train of thought Turnbull. Are you saying that Lansky and his underworld operations and associations were not as far-flung as they had been reported to be?

Or simply that his "reputation" was blown out of proportion, which I happen to partially agree with in certain areas?

For instance, the false claim that "he" was the biggest boss, he ran everything, or that he actually "sat" in on Commission Meetings? There were many more falsehoods made about him over the years (as with most mobsters reporters write about).

But how do you feel about the breathe and scope of what Lansky reputedly created and accomplished? Is it true or false, in your opinion?

I don't know if he had 300 million when he died but him and Moe Dalitz were essential in the gambling industry as we know it today.

Fair questions.

One of the keys to Meyer Lansky’s success and longevity was that he was never a threat to anyone more powerful than he. He never had an organization of subordinates who carried out his will through intimidation, extortion and violence. He accumulated wealth slowly and modestly, mostly through points in hotels and casinos, skimming profits, rakeoffs from gambling junkets, and influence-peddling. He wasn’t greedy—house odds were good enough for him, and he shared his rackets. He lived modestly and never flaunted his wealth, such as it was. He did nothing that engendered fear, resentment, envy and greed among more powerful men that so often leads to murder. He didn’t have associates under him, as do Mafia bosses, but he had a big network of mobsters, criminals and Mob-connected civilians with whom he was associated in criminal and legitimate enterprises—sometimes long term, sometimes in one-shots. They trusted him, and were the source of his considerable influence, because they made money with him and had no reason to feel threatened by him.

He also sailed under the flags of more powerful men. He organized the squads that assassinated Masseria and Maranzano, but he didn’t order the hits: they were ordered by Lansky’s close friend and business partner Charlie Luciano. He partnered with Luciano in booze and gambling, but not in drugs and prostitution—the latter responsible for Luciano’s long prison sentence and exile from the US. Another Lansky pal and partner, Fulgencio Batista, brought him in to clean up gambling in Havana after he returned to power in 1952. Lansky installed his brother, Jake, as casino manager in the Hotel Nacional, no doubt skimming the proceeds. Lansky acted as gateway for Batista’s favors: If Meyer liked you, you did business in Cuba; if he didn’t, you didn’t. No doubt he was paid off in points and skims. But he never owned a hotel until he and other investors opened the Havana Riviera in March 1958—a rare step into the limelight for Lansky. Castro seized it nine months later—a rare setback for Lansky. He was an investor in Bugsy Siegel’s Flamingo Hotel in Vegas. The Feds indicted him for trying to hide a “hidden interest” in the hotel by collecting a $200k “finders fee” for “brokering” the sale of the Flamingo to Mob-connected hotelier Morris Lansburgh. But the case never went to trial.

He couldn’t sit on the Commission, but he advised Commission members like Luciano and Frank Costello. He partnered with Costello and Joe Adonis regularly in gambling. Vincent (Jimmy Blue Eyes) Alo was another Mafia partner, as well as protector. He had legitimate businesses, too, including jukeboxes, TV rentals and investments in mining and molasses.
Robert Lacey, his biographer, says Lansky avoided prison, lived to age 80 and died peacefully in bed because “he was the accountant, never the boss.” I think that understates the influence he wielded during his long lifetime. But he was never the boss of a syndicate of associates as the myth-makers claimed.

Turnbull....That was "extremely" well spoken. And I think you nailed it as far as Lansky's overall influence and the power he wielded in the American underworld.

In his younger days, while he was coming up, he did "work," he ordered "work," as you said. But he was never the orchestrator or originator or those plots. He worked in tandem with Luciano and the others, and facilitated the work they ordered.

He worked with nearly all the different families and crews, yet, he himself was a top "associate" of the Luciano/Costello/Genovese Family. The most powerful! So he essentially had card blanche to operate, so long as he cut them in for a piece of the action. Which he always did. Etc., Etc. Etc.

The chart I designed, of Lansky's Syndicate, represents a good majority of those Jewish and Italian mob guys affiliated with him over the years, many of whom looked to Lansky for tutelage and guidance. Many dated to his early days on the streets of NYC. But the "Lansky Syndicate" (for lack of another name), was always a loose confederation of diversified, but like-minded men. Not a formally structured, hierarchical "family" per se.

But how you worded your post was great, and I think it gives good insight into his true underworld standing. Bravo!

Absolutely! Lansky, Dalitz, and his Cleveland partners who formerly made up what was referred to as, "The Little Jewish Navy" all played a huge part in Las Vegas' development. Dalitz and his particular faction cleaned up their act so much, that they almost became the "face" of Vegas. Its as though the entire gangster backgrounds and former activities of these guys didn't even matter anymore. They literally became "public" personages.

I can believe it. The general public has this image, which is often false, that mob guys are all hardened, ice cold killers. But quite often, thats not the case at all.

Most of them have the capacity to do what they have to do. And certainly, the mob has had their fair share of remorseless stone-cold killers.

But conversely, many do, in fact, have a heart. And can, and do, often show sensitivity to things that strike a cord with them personally.

Hi both,

Winfried Schulz/David Dargahi (also from Hamburg) was box promoter and manager. They promote events in Germany mostly in Hamburg but also in Cologne.

some impressions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gzIZJLEUxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhvMAk8Q2Ls (great documenatry in german)

Boxers - Only some examples
Karl-Heinz Klein
Lothar Abend
Louis Pergaud

I'm not sure but i think Gregorio_Peralta was connected to them.

One Boxer from,Joe Nesline and "Musky Salow " are 100% sure Bob Foster,

I didn’t see prostitution on there. We know Luciano was near prostitution so I ask, did you stumble upon some info that he stayed away from that? Possibly because he had a daughter/s?

Lansky himself, and by extension, the men subordinate to him and allied with him directly or indirectly were not known to engage in that, (although I don't doubt some of them may have).

Luciano, Davy Petillo, Jimmy Federico, and the others involved in that case, of "extorting" NYC's whorehouses were not "with" Lansky. And so the record is clear, the vast majority of New York's mafiosi didn't run whorehouses themselves. Most just extorted the operators of cat houses.

There were, or course, many instances of out of state guys (PA, OH, etc), mostly early Camorra (Napolitani) and Societa' Onorata members (Calabrese) who were indeed in the business directly. But Sicilian mafiosi tended to "earn" from it through shakedowns.

Nitro thanks! I can understand german so I'll watch the doc.

Bob Foster was a relatively big name back then in boxing

A little off topic but some interesting pics of German underworld.

https://deutschland.quora.com/https...&share=72e2fbd6&target_type=post