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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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He wasn’t the most powerful but he certainly was the most high profile. Most of it was his own doing It was the media chasing him, not the other way ariound. It was also the FBI, prosecutors, and the police leaking things about him on a daily basis. That was not Gotti's own doing. Maybe you think he was supposed to hide in his home all day and night with the shades drawn. You can't possibly really believe this.... So his $2,000 dollar suits, daily haircuts, never making even the slightest attempt to avoid publicity, huge smiles everytime cameras were on him, responding with a smart remark to as many questions from reporters as he could, was all THEIR doing and not Gotti clearly drawing attention to himself, welcoming them at his home, the Ravenite, the grocery store and whenever else and fueling them to keep the cameras on him? Ok. Funny how cameras never chased Paul Castellano everywhere he went...or Tony Corallo...or Funzi Tieri.....or Carmine Persico....shall I keep going?
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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He wasn’t the most powerful but he certainly was the most high profile. Most of it was his own doing It was the media chasing him, not the other way ariound. It was also the FBI, prosecutors, and the police leaking things about him on a daily basis. That was not Gotti's own doing. Maybe you think he was supposed to hide in his home all day and night with the shades drawn. You can't possibly really believe this.... So his $2,000 dollar suits, daily haircuts, never making even the slightest attempt to avoid publicity, huge smiles everytime cameras were on him, responding with a smart remark to as many questions from reporters as he could, was all THEIR doing and not Gotti clearly drawing attention to himself, welcoming them at his home, the Ravenite, the grocery store and whenever else and fueling them to keep the cameras on him? Ok. Funny how cameras never chased Paul Castellano everywhere he went...or Tony Corallo...or Funzi Tieri.....or Carmine Persico....shall I keep going? They went crazy with Gotti. They had cases that stuck against Corello and Tieri, ad by the way, they had them all on tapes too. So Gotti was not the only one recorded. He got daily haircuts? So what? He did try to avoid publicity's s I said he tried to avoid them but the reporters were tipped off to where he would be. As for you saying this: "..responding with a smart remark to as many questions from reporters as he could," you are wrong again. He might give a comment, but he would keep walking to avoid them . Look at every video of him , he never stopped for reporters. If you have one of him giving an interview, show it. What is this: "...welcoming them at his home.." Huh??? Are you mixed up? He never welcomed them into his home, A video him and his family once took was put out by the feds, but not him. You have everything wrong.
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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[quote=Iceveins][quote=Iceveins][quote=jace]
They went crazy with Gotti. They had cases that stuck against Corello and Tieri, ad by the way, they had them all on tapes too. So Gotti was not the only one recorded. He got daily haircuts? So what? He did try to avoid publicity's s I said he tried to avoid them but the reporters were tipped off to where he would be.
As for you saying this:
"..responding with a smart remark to as many questions from reporters as he could,"
you are wrong again. He might give a comment, but he would keep walking to avoid them . Look at every video of him , he never stopped for reporters. If you have one of him giving an interview, show it.
What is this:
"...welcoming them at his home.."
Huh??? Are you mixed up? He never welcomed them into his home, A video him and his family once took was put out by the feds, but not him. You have everything wrong.
I said at his home, not in his home. I have nothing wrong, in fact I was able to get private access to perhaps the biggest archive of network news footage of mobsters available on the internet. I usually only browse the footage pertaining to mobsters I'm doing biographies on, yet whenever I'm watching a news program discussing a mobster from the 80s/90s, no matter who, there goes a clip of Gotti's smug smiling face popping up showing him loving attention or blabbering to someone. It's alarming. Before acting like you have seen all the footage of Gotti being an egotistical attention whore, I can assure you that haven't seen even 1/10th of all the footage of him welcoming the cameras, engaging the news crews and speaking to reporters like the bumbling blabbering narcissist he was.
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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Iceviens, you now crossed over to being full of it. Plus saying I was "an egotistical attention whore," was uncalled for.
This sounds like BS:
"I was able to get private access to perhaps the biggest archive of network news footage of mobsters available on the internet."
If you looked through more footage than anyone, as you claim, and saw nothing but Gotti's face---well, there is my point. They focused on him, not the other way around.
Dude, I called Gotti the egotistical attention whore. You don't have to believe what I have access to but you defending him by continuing to say they "focused on him" is rather absurd, they only focused on him because HE MADE THEM focus on him. He drew the attention to himself, nobody becomes a media darling unless they intentionally draw the spotlight to themselves and give the media something to be interested in.
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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They made him a celebrity/posterboy the Mafia sells in particular in those crazy days. Now much less ofcourse only online on socials maybe but not for NY Post or NYDN. He made himself the poster boy. Before Gotti, the only boss who garnered anywhere near the media attention that he did was Albert Anastasia and the fact that Anastasia also seemed to welcome the attention instead of avoiding it was one of several reasons that lead to his demise. I've never seen any news footage of any other mob boss outside of courts or arrests and never seen a boss speak to reporters. If you put a little effort to avoid news coverage, you can, but Gotti made no such effort.
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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They made him a celebrity/posterboy the Mafia sells in particular in those crazy days. Now much less ofcourse only online on socials maybe but not for NY Post or NYDN. He made himself the poster boy. Before Gotti, the only boss who garnered anywhere near the media attention that he did was Albert Anastasia and the fact that Anastasia also seemed to welcome the attention instead of avoiding it was one of several reasons that lead to his demise. I've never seen any news footage of any other mob boss outside of courts or arrests and never seen a boss speak to reporters. If you put a little effort to avoid news coverage, you can, but Gotti made no such effort. Capone, Anastasia, Gotti you can compare them, the press/media made them stars but they also put themselves in the limelight.
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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They made him a celebrity/posterboy the Mafia sells in particular in those crazy days. Now much less ofcourse only online on socials maybe but not for NY Post or NYDN. He made himself the poster boy. Before Gotti, the only boss who garnered anywhere near the media attention that he did was Albert Anastasia and the fact that Anastasia also seemed to welcome the attention instead of avoiding it was one of several reasons that lead to his demise. I've never seen any news footage of any other mob boss outside of courts or arrests and never seen a boss speak to reporters. If you put a little effort to avoid news coverage, you can, but Gotti made no such effort. Capone, Anastasia, Gotti you can compare them, the press/media made them stars but they also put themselves in the limelight. The press can't make a star that doesn't want to be one. There's a reason that out of the dozens of bosses there have been throughout the past century that the general public was only familiar with the 3 guys you've mentioned.
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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I would also include Joe Colombo among the most "flashy" bosses who weren't low-profile and sought attention (or at least acted like it). Absolutely. He was arguably the worst due to how intent he was on being in the spotlight.
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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Manna could have but he was caught on a wire. There is also a possibility that Gotti got wind of it prior to the fbi telling him and gotti having Manna killed. We will never know. Yes if they were both on the streets it could go either way. But Genovese vs Gambino that would be something lol.
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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The reason why the Media paid so much attention to John was because he was marketable and likeable by the general public. He had that charisma about him that is portrayed in movies such as Goodfellas, which is popular for a reason. Simply put, he made a Mob boss cool to follow. He had good looks, dressed really well and just had that IT factor. Guys like the Chin were ugly as fuck and not marketable. Lets be honest, most mob bosses do not look like Hollywood movie stars but John did. That is why he was who he was. Well perhaps but HE played on that....you can look like a Sicilian Brad Pitt but if you want to stay out of the spotlight and avoid the media as much as possible YOU CAN. I'm a little shocked at how many people are trying to blame the media and not the attention loving narcissist himself who clearly sought the spotlight and loved the coverage.
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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The reason why the Media paid so much attention to John was because he was marketable and likeable by the general public. He had that charisma about him that is portrayed in movies such as Goodfellas, which is popular for a reason. Simply put, he made a Mob boss cool to follow. He had good looks, dressed really well and just had that IT factor. Guys like the Chin were ugly as fuck and not marketable. Lets be honest, most mob bosses do not look like Hollywood movie stars but John did. That is why he was who he was. Americans have been fascinated--obsessed--with outlaws going back to the 19th Century, and the media have played on that obsession by romanticizing outlaws as "Robin Hoods," "folk heroes," "on the side of the poor and downtrodden," etc. Their attention made heroes of Billy the Kid (a serial killer who murdered 20 men before his 21st birthday), Jesse James (a sadist, terrorist and torturer) and Butch Cassidy (a fraud). Some gangsters are flattered by the attention paid to them by mass media--and have been undone by the publicity they got. John Dillinger and Al Capone flaunted their notoriety, and so, to an extent, did Gotti. They publicly thumbed their noses at The Law, which made The Law that much more determined to nail their asses. The successful mobsters always kept low profiles.
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Re: John Gottis height of power. Just how influential?
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Bobby Manna would have killed him he was the son of a mafioso going back to the early days of cosa nostra. I grew up with the “son of a mafioso” and he was a ballet dancer. What does that have to do with it ? LOL. I grew up with a few myself.... It was a split mix though, some were wanna be gangsters some were straight up pu$$ies.
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