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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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06/18/23 09:36 PM
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There seems to be a pattern. They should avoid going to the GYM
June 2009 Dany DeGregorio Mafia was shot and injured near St. Leonard GYM March 2016 Lorenzo Giordano Mafia shot dead near GYM in Laval June 2018 John McKenzie West end gang shot and injured near Extreme Evolution gym Oct 2019 Roger Bishop ties to HA shot dead outside Brossard GYM Oct. 2019 Andrew Scoppa Mafia shot dead out side West Island GYM Jun 2023 Francesco Del Balso Mafia shot dead outside Dorval GYM
Del Balso didn't seem like a man who worked out or boxing, mma, kickboxing, but I know plenty of gyms where the underworld is hanging out. June 2009 Dany DeGregorio Mafia was shot and injured near St. Leonard GYM March 2016 Lorenzo Giordano Mafia shot dead near GYM in Laval June 2018 John McKenzie West end gang shot and injured near Extreme Evolution gym March 2019 Michael Deabaitua-Schulde, Hells Angels ,was killed moments after exiting a gym at a busy Mississauga plazaOct 2019 Roger Bishop ties to HA shot dead outside Brossard GYM Oct. 2019 Andrew Scoppa Mafia shot dead out side West Island GYM Nov.20,2019 Benedetto Manasseri, shot and injured, Movati Athletic GYM on Meadowlands Dr OttawaJun 2023 Francesco Del Balso Mafia shot dead outside Dorval GYM Ottawa I updated the list. added two more.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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06/20/23 05:29 PM
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well i still cant see pizzi partnering up with del balso to begin with, let alone with full knowledge that a man who once tried to murder him (rochebrun) was part of del balsos crew. second the last confirmed arson or any type of attack against pizzi/barberio dates to may 30. one week later del balso is murdered and not a single arson since. could be a coincidence or not.
the other theory could be that the arsons/attacks against pizzi/barberio have nothing to do with either leonardo or del balso and are part of an ongoing feud with another crime group. I can agree with that but I can also look at it as it not being personal. Kevin Rochebrun was a hired gun and Marco Pizzi unforunantely was the target. Kevin Rochebrun was or is with/associated with the gang Arsène Mompoint was with. Arsène Mompoint was Sal and Andrea Scoppa's friend and was or supplied shooters for Andrea and Sal Scoppa. Kevin Rochebrun could be one of those shooters for the 2016 attempt on Marco Pizzi who was on their hitlist. Let's not forget Francesco Del Balso was also on that list. Shows that alliances shift and change all the time in Montreal. That is why I don't think we can dismiss Marco Pizzi's possible involvement until more information comes out. There was a attempted arson on Saturday night at a business Marco Pizzi owns. His guys stopped the would be arsonist and threw him in a trunk of a car a brought him to a nearby garage. so the police working theory is that the rizzuto/sollecito and HA teamed up to hit del balso to avoid further bloodshed and heat. Why would the leading Hells Angels pay so much respect at the Funeral? Wouldn't they just stay away? Could be to keep up appearances or they just wanted to mourn a friend.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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06/21/23 11:07 PM
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It was not only Robert at the funeral several top guys of the Montreal Chapter. Del Balso was close to them but not a member, no need to go unless you want to show your strength. Why would they turn on Del Balso only a few months after the hit on Rizzuto, where at least Robert played a role in it?? I know alliances changes but that is very opportunistic!
It was 3 members that's not exactly a show of strength. The fourth man there was Stephane Orphanos and is a prospect and could've been there as a bodyguard to the members. There were actually other bikers there that weren't mentioned in the article too and probably there as protection to Martin Robert Stephane Plouffe and Robert Barletta. I think it's pretty clear this wasn't some well thought out plan to take over the book. It was Francesco Del Balso wanting revenge for them targeting him and in his dumb twisted mind probably thought he'd take over after killing Leonardo Rizzuto and to get the blessing of his Hells Angels friends he offered the book or part of it. When the murder failed and Francesco Del Balso tried leaving the country and the report that the Hells Angels were involved they probably cut ties to Francesco Del Balso to salvage their relationship with Leonardo Rizzuto. They saw Francesco Del Balso was a bad bet and it was better for everyone if he was eliminated.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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06/22/23 06:46 AM
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It was not only Robert at the funeral several top guys of the Montreal Chapter. Del Balso was close to them but not a member, no need to go unless you want to show your strength. Why would they turn on Del Balso only a few months after the hit on Rizzuto, where at least Robert played a role in it?? I know alliances changes but that is very opportunistic!
It was 3 members that's not exactly a show of strength. The fourth man there was Stephane Orphanos and is a prospect and could've been there as a bodyguard to the members. There were actually other bikers there that weren't mentioned in the article too and probably there as protection to Martin Robert Stephane Plouffe and Robert Barletta. I think it's pretty clear this wasn't some well thought out plan to take over the book. It was Francesco Del Balso wanting revenge for them targeting him and in his dumb twisted mind probably thought he'd take over after killing Leonardo Rizzuto and to get the blessing of his Hells Angels friends he offered the book or part of it. When the murder failed and Francesco Del Balso tried leaving the country and the report that the Hells Angels were involved they probably cut ties to Francesco Del Balso to salvage their relationship with Leonardo Rizzuto. They saw Francesco Del Balso was a bad bet and it was better for everyone if he was eliminated. I interpreted that as a minority of the Hells being present. But we still don't know the circumstances of their absence from the big rally. When this all happened, I joked.." Is DelBalso a biker now?". But I think Robert and his allies were actually acting too " Italian". Too conniving, cunning, ....and I DO think it was for a share of the Book. Barletta's presence at the funeral kinda speaks volumes as he's a gambling guy. Maybe THE gambling guy for Hells. Like fuck all the criminal profiles.... I really wish Renaud or someone would break down this Sportsbook network, and exactly how it works. Why is DelBalso even in possession, ( is it SOLE possession?) Of this sportsbook? What exactly qualifies one to be in possession? Is doesn't seem to be exactly territorial, its more about the ledger? Where did this book come from? Gervasi had it. Giordano had it. Valiquette had it. DelBalso had it. What's the criteria exactly? Was this the same Book Montagna demanded 25 percent of? And Mirarchi balked? So why doesn't Mirarchi have it? What exactly the fuck....lol
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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06/22/23 09:00 AM
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I think Robert is actually smarter than what I thought he was. He has the upper hand now that the Italians are killing each other. He didn't need Del Balso once Barletta agreed to join him; he has experience in handling the gambling in Ontario. Barletta is has ties to the Ndrangheta. Which brings a new dimension in all of this. Also don't forget Robert accepted Montreal mafia defectors in his crew which doesn't make him likeable to rivals. I believe he is getting advice from Sergio Piccirilli (who also has connection in Toronto ). How all this is going to unfold is unknown for now; but eventually they will have to sit down at a table and end this once and for all.
Moreno Gallo had the book at one point.
The closest description I found of this book is mentioned in the Business or Blood book, which reads as follows:
"Gallo had run Platinum for Vito. A gambler’s file was made up of significant financial records, such as mortgages and banking information. It also included the names and addresses of a gambler’s parents and other close relatives. This information would be carefully studied before the operators of a sports book determined how much, if any, credit he could be granted. The information also let the sports book operators know where to go calling if a gambler couldn’t make good on debts. That degree of financial diligence could be overlooked if the prospective gambler was related to someone of interest, such as a professional athlete. In those cases, inside information is better for the gambler to run up a major debt, so that the book’s operators could suggest to the athlete that all would be forgiven in exchange for the fixing of a game or the provision on the team."
What puzzles me is what stops the handlers of this book from making copies. Furthermore and also puzzling, is that there was an informant that mentioned Casale acted as a leader in Mirarchi's group to collect on loans and sports bets. Are there several clans using this network ?
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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06/22/23 10:20 AM
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Francesco Del Balso never controlled the book and Moreno Gallo had Platinum which is different from the Mobtreal book but he apparently gave that away to the Ndrangheta in the GTA. Antimafia has posted that before he died, Vito asked for it back and they acquiesced without incident. I know the answer is rooted in mob politics, but why the fuck would Gallo give it away? Lol... I need to go back and refresh....
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Francesco Del Balso never controlled the book and Moreno Gallo had Platinum which is different from the Mobtreal book but he apparently gave that away to the Ndrangheta in the GTA. Antimafia has posted that before he died, Vito asked for it back and they acquiesced without incident. I know the answer is rooted in mob politics, but why the fuck would Gallo give it away? Lol... I need to go back and refresh.... Yes Vito did got it back; also mentioned in Business or Blood book.
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