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Re: How's it possible there's NO mob arrests anywhere?
[Re: NYMafia]
#1069558
09/19/23 05:49 PM
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Brovelli
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Brovelli, I appreciate the statement you just made above, and heres what I want add to that, ok?...
To be sure, plenty of "wiseguys" and knock around guys are still around. And will be for quite some time, at least here in NYC. They're still out there on the streets. But the point is, 90% of them are sucking wind, now, and for the foreseeable future. That is, unless one of them hits the NYS lottery for a billion dollars and decides to share it equally among all LCN throughout the city. Otherwise, it hard times ahead....VERY HARD TIMES AHEAD! (and you can take that to the bank.) In fact, truth be told, thats gonna be about the only thing they can take to "the bank." Lol
I tend to believe that more of them are being “successful” today than you’re suggesting and I think the ones sucking wind as you say are more the minority than the majority but I have no issue if i am wrong on that
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Re: How's it possible there's NO mob arrests anywhere?
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09/19/23 06:42 PM
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Re: How's it possible there's NO mob arrests anywhere?
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09/20/23 11:33 AM
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Didn't you just make a post a few weeks ago talking about how some Genovese guys walked off laughing to the bank with extremely light sentences? Then you go and make this post with that title. That's a major contradiction if you ask me. Are you directing this post toward me? Because I'm not sure what you're talking about. If it was me, then I was probably just reporting on a news article. Your point?
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Re: How's it possible there's NO mob arrests anywhere?
[Re: Liggio]
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09/20/23 01:08 PM
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My point is your "reporting on a news article" and the title of this thread don't add up, they don't go together. That's my point. Maybe in "your" mind they don't add up. But we've already established that your knowledge and understanding about the subject at hand is limited. Not to mention the fact that after you typically read something, often times, you don't necessarily properly comprehend what you just read correctly. And based on my "original" post in this thread (a thread that I started by the way, thats an obvious fact.) PS: But like you said to me, "No offense though or anything against you."
Last edited by NYMafia; 09/20/23 01:10 PM.
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Re: How's it possible there's NO mob arrests anywhere?
[Re: RushStreet]
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09/20/23 01:57 PM
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The Italians are weak, they are civilized. That is why you don't see shit anymore. That is reality.
You got a bunch of Italian spoiled kids who were born with silver spoons in their mouths and attended private schools who are supposed to take over the mob? That is comical.
The old school guys are fuckin dead or in their 80s. It will never be the same as it was in the 60's and 70's. That is largely correct, and most (not all,) but most, of the younger fellas around today are not even steeped in the tradition, nor are they knowledgeable enough about the mechanics of "this thing" to comfortably step into the mix and operate safely and efficiently. They lack the knowhow, savvy, and diplomacy, because they were never "groomed" by their forefathers. Never mind that they were not groomed "properly," they were "never groomed at all" to begin with...And THATS the truth.
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Re: How's it possible there's NO mob arrests anywhere?
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09/20/23 02:11 PM
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The Italians are weak, they are civilized. That is why you don't see shit anymore. That is reality.
You got a bunch of Italian spoiled kids who were born with silver spoons in their mouths and attended private schools who are supposed to take over the mob? That is comical.
The old school guys are fuckin dead or in their 80s. It will never be the same as it was in the 60's and 70's. That is largely correct, and most (not all,) but most, of the younger fellas around today are not even steeped in the tradition, nor are they knowledgeable enough about the mechanics of "this thing" to comfortably step into the mix and operate safely and efficiently. They lack the knowhow, savvy, and diplomacy, because they were never "groomed" by their forefathers. Never mind that they were not groomed "properly," they were "never groomed at all" to begin with...And THATS the truth. See thats the difference that you see when it comes to the LCN here in America compared to Mexico. The Mexicans are still grooming their children to be gangsters. The Italians want their children to become doctors and lawyers. Living a life in a nice house in the suburbs with legit professions.
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Re: How's it possible there's NO mob arrests anywhere?
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09/20/23 03:00 PM
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The Italians are weak, they are civilized. That is why you don't see shit anymore. That is reality.
You got a bunch of Italian spoiled kids who were born with silver spoons in their mouths and attended private schools who are supposed to take over the mob? That is comical.
The old school guys are fuckin dead or in their 80s. It will never be the same as it was in the 60's and 70's. That is largely correct, and most (not all,) but most, of the younger fellas around today are not even steeped in the tradition, nor are they knowledgeable enough about the mechanics of "this thing" to comfortably step into the mix and operate safely and efficiently. They lack the knowhow, savvy, and diplomacy, because they were never "groomed" by their forefathers. Never mind that they were not groomed "properly," they were "never groomed at all" to begin with...And THATS the truth. See thats the difference that you see when it comes to the LCN here in America compared to Mexico. The Mexicans are still grooming their children to be gangsters. The Italians want their children to become doctors and lawyers. Living a life in a nice house in the suburbs with legit professions. Can you blame them? Lol. They want better for their children. Ideally, each future generation should benefit from the previous generation (from their elders.)...Thats called progress.
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Re: How's it possible there's NO mob arrests anywhere?
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09/20/23 08:57 PM
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Brovelli
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The Italians are weak, they are civilized. That is why you don't see shit anymore. That is reality.
You got a bunch of Italian spoiled kids who were born with silver spoons in their mouths and attended private schools who are supposed to take over the mob? That is comical.
The old school guys are fuckin dead or in their 80s. It will never be the same as it was in the 60's and 70's. That is largely correct, and most (not all,) but most, of the younger fellas around today are not even steeped in the tradition, nor are they knowledgeable enough about the mechanics of "this thing" to comfortably step into the mix and operate safely and efficiently. They lack the knowhow, savvy, and diplomacy, because they were never "groomed" by their forefathers. Never mind that they were not groomed "properly," they were "never groomed at all" to begin with...And THATS the truth. Interestingly I read Valachi's full written memoirs and it didn't seem to me that he had particularly any tradition or knowledge of the life too long before he got inducted and that's going back to the 30s. Not saying he is the best example being he was one of the biggest rats and no doubt there were far more guys back then (probably largely Sicilians) who did have that tradition but also interesting that even back then there must've been a ton of guys who were petty street criminals and a bit clueless to "the life", at least initially . Similar to Gravano too who didn't have any tradition so to say but was a tough guy and got schooled. But no doubt Italians have overwhelmingly moved up the economic ladder so that pool of street guys is cut way down today. We'll see if the college mobsters are the future 
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Re: How's it possible there's NO mob arrests anywhere?
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#1069814
09/22/23 01:12 PM
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DB
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The mobs monopoly control and power days are over However guys are doing very well financially today as with legal gambling & weed you can do this racket out in the open with minimal threat of arrest. Huge gambling books out there and real estate holdings Unless there is violence serious prison time days are over, saving guys tons of $ and keeping them On the streets earning They have pivoted to quasi legal industries They are still a local economic force with a lot of valuable real estate & business assets Still strong in gambling, construction, trucking, port, restaurants, real estate and weed. Big $ being made, especially Westside & Gambinos The guy Senator Menendez was arrested for is a major NJ water front Contractor and West side associate. One of the many big $ guys Pennissi said the west side has. WS made major $ in NJ Gold Coast business, https://www.thedailybeast.com/fred-...be-has-ties-to-genovese-mob-crime-family
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Re: How's it possible there's NO mob arrests anywhere?
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#1072637
10/20/23 09:33 AM
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Because many rackets they do are legal today, gambling, weed, legit businesses (business racketeering vs labor racketeering) and they have adjusted to not using violence. The mob doesn’t have anywhere near the monopoly power that they had but they are still making lots of money , especially in legit business and especially Westside. They seem to be paying off local officials to orchestrate $ making schemes, tow trucking and per below NJ Gold Coast redevelopment. Also way less LE after them ( even NJ port being disbanded ). FBI agent Mike Campsi has a good clad interview on this and current mafia https://www.thedailybeast.com/fred-...be-has-ties-to-genovese-mob-crime-family
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