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From: Reuters November 13, 2024
White House envoy Amos Hochstein sees 'a shot' at ceasefire soon as Trump picks pro-Israel conservative as ambassador to Israel

Republican U.S. President-elect Donald Trump on Tuesday chose former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, a staunchly pro-Israel conservative, to be ambassador to Israel.

Potentially signaling that the U.S. under Trump will reduce pressure on Israel to restrain its warfare, Huckabee has opposed calls for a ceasefire in Gaza, and Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar on Tuesday praised his nomination.

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From: Reuters November 13, 2024
Israeli strikes pound Lebanon, Hezbollah strikes back

Israel says it takes out most Hezbollah infrastructure in Dahiyeh

Israel has dealt Hezbollah heavy blows, killing many of its leaders, including Hassan Nasrallah, flattening large areas of the southern suburbs, destroying border villages in the south and striking more widely across Lebanon.

Hezbollah attacks have killed about 100 civilians and soldiers in northern Israel, the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, and southern Lebanon over the last year, according to Israel.

Hezbollah late on Tuesday said its forces had killed more than 100 Israeli soldiers since October 1

In a statement, Hezbollah said that since that date it had forced an Israeli retreat from several towns in southern Lebanon, without naming them, and promised more strikes against Israeli military targets.

Israel's military said that Hezbollah fired 55 projectiles into Israel on Tuesday.

From: ABC News November 14, 2024
6 Israeli soldiers were killed in combat in Lebanon on Wednesday, the Israel Defense Forces said.
8 people were killed in an Israeli air strike on a village south of Beirut, as Israel's military continued an offensive against Hezbollah.

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From: Al Jazeera November 13, 2024
Hezbollah says it has attacked for the first time the headquarters of the Israeli army and the Defence Ministry in central Tel Aviv with suicide drones.

From: The Jerusalem Post November 13, 2024
Hezbollah claims it attacked Tel Aviv's Kirya military base with drones

The Lebanon-based Iran-aligned terrorist group Hezbollah claimed to have used drones to attack Tel Aviv, Reuters reported Wednesday evening. The organization further claimed it had targeted the Kirya military base for the first time.

Despite the terrorist organization's claims, no hits were reported in Tel Aviv on Wednesday, including in Kirya's area.

IAF strikes Hezbollah weapons facilities, command centers embedded in civilian areas of Beirut

The Israel Air Force (IAF) carried out strikes in the Beirut area, which targeted and destroyed nine weapons storage facilities and command centers used by Hezbollah, the IDF said on Tuesday. 

IDF noted that these Hezbollah facilities and command centers were deliberately embedded in civilian areas.

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Iran
Talking about Iran, the Israeli defense minister Israel Katz said that their nuclear sites are more vulnerable than ever, following Israel’s airstrikes on its air defence sites.

The Times of Israel quoted Katz as saying,
“Iran today is more exposed than ever to damage to its nuclear facilities. There is a possibility to achieve the most important goal, to thwart and remove the threat of annihilation from hanging over the State of Israel”

Hezbollah
Pummeled by Israel’s offensive, Hezbollah said political contacts were under way involving its backers in Tehran, Washington and Moscow whilst also saying it had enough weapons for a “long war” and keeping up rocket fire into Israel.

In Jerusalem, Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar said the war against Hezbollah was not yet over.
The main challenge facing any ceasefire deal would be enforcement though there was “a certain progress” in talks.

Hopes of a Gaza truce have meanwhile suffered a setback, with Qatar suspending its mediation role.

Ignited by the Gaza war, the conflict at the Lebanese-Israeli border had been rumbling on for a year before Israel went on the offensive in late September pounding wide areas of Lebanon with airstrikes and sending troops into the south.

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Saar, addressing a Jerusalem news conference, said, Israel was working with United States on a ceasefire.
Israel wants Hezbollah north of the Litani river - some 20 miles (30 km) from the border - and unable to rearm.

He said a basic principle for any agreement had to be that Hezbollah would not be able to bring weapons into Lebanon from Syria.

Reuters quoted him as saying,
“It is vital to the success of any arrangement in Lebanon”

“And the Russians are, as you know, present in Syria And if they are in agreement with this principle, I think they can contribute effectively to this objective”

Russia deployed forces into Syria nearly a decade ago to support President Bashar al-Assad in the civil war there.
Hezbollah also sent fighters to help Assad, and carved out big sway on the ground alongside other Iran-backed groups.

Syria is widely seen as a major conduit for Iran to supply weapons to Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Israel has struck targets in Syria regularly during the conflict.

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Six Golani Brigade soldiers fell in combat in southern Lebanon
The Jerusalem Post 13 November 2024

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1. Over 90 rockets fired at Haifa area in two barrages; homes, cars damaged in multiple impacts, Monday
2. Nesher kindergarten targeted by Hezbollah drones, Tuesday
3. Two civilians killed, two wounded as a result of a direct hit from Hezbollah rockets, in Nahariya, Tuesday
4. Six Golani soldiers fell in southern Lebanon, the IDF announced, Wednesday evening
5. Hezbollah fires 40 rockets towards Israeli territory 
6. five rockets fired from Lebanon into central Israel and the Carmel area
7. IDF kills four Hezbollah field commanders
8. IDF announces four more soldiers dead in Gaza
9. IDF says, has destroyed most of Hezbollah underground Beirut rocket facilities

IAF successfully intercepts four drones from Lebanon
IAF successfully intercepted four UAVs that were approaching Israeli territory from Lebanon, the military announced on Wednesday

IAF fighter jets strike Syrian transfer routes used to move weapons to Hezbollah from Iran

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Six Golani Brigade soldiers fell in combat in southern Lebanon
The Jerusalem Post 13 November 2024

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  • Hezbollah field commander - Muhammad Musa Salah
In early October, the Israel Air Force (IAF) conducted a strike that killed Muhammad Musa Salah, Hezbollah’s field commander in the Khiam area, the military confirmed on Wednesday

Salah was responsible for directing multiple terrorist attacks against Israel and had overseen the launch of over 2,500 projectiles targeting the Golan Heights, Upper Galilee and IDF forces operating in southern Lebanon

  • Hezbollah “Nasser Unit” commander - Ayman Muhammad Nabulsi
In a recent strike this week (Sunday) in southern Lebanon, the IDF killed Ayman Muhammad Nabulsi, the newly appointed commander of the Hezbollah “Nasser Unit”

IDF strikes Hezbollah launchers in Lebanon, Hamas sites in Gaza following attacks on Israel
The terror group launched multiple projectiles into Israel over the last day, the IDF announced on Wednesday

1. Sirens also sounded in the Tel Aviv and Gush Dan region but no injuries were reported.
2. IDF and Shin Bet (ISA) continue targeted Gaza operations against October 7, 2023 attackers
3. IDF intercepts drone from Lebanon in Upper Galilee area
4. Ramming attack reported outside the Arab village of Dayr Qadis, near Modi'in Illit, in the West Bank
5. Two terrorists were eliminated in Tulkarm in the West Bank, one defined as a "senior terrorist"

One rocket was launched from the northern Gaza Strip, triggering alerts in Nir Am, a Gaza border community, the military stated on Wednesday evening The rocket did not cross into Israeli territory and fell inside the Gaza Strip

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Expert urges Israel to target civilian infrastructure in Lebanon's 'Hezbollah state'
The Jerusalem Post by Yonah Jeremy Bob 13 November 2024

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Expert urges Israel to target civilian infrastructure in Lebanon's 'Hezbollah state' - interview
Hezbollah’s drones were “ultimately” the terrorist organization’s “trump card” despite rockets being employed as their “main weapons”

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Israel should “target the civilian infrastructure of the ‘Hezbollah state’
emphasized head of the Alma Research and Education Center and Middle East expert Tal Beeri, during an interview on Radio 104.5FM

During the interview, Beeri spoke about data indicating a significant increase in rocket launches toward northern Israel since the start of the ground maneuver in southern Lebanon

Beeri after stressing his opinion on how the IDF should conduct its operations in Lebanon, Beeri explained,
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”I emphasize the 'Hezbollah state' This includes their electricity, fuel and water infrastructures”

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UK Prime Minister rebukes MP who accused Israel of genocide
Israel National News 13 November 2024

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British Member of Parliament, Ayoub Khan [Independent Alliance] asked Prime Minister Keir Starmer why the Starmer government has not classified Israel's war as a genocide, to which Starmer answered:
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“I'm well aware of the definition of genocide and that is why I've never referred to it as one”

Being that Starmer and his Defence Secretary David Lammy have rejected the accusations of genocide before, Khan requested that the Prime Minister,
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"It would be wise to start a question like that by reference to what happened in October of last year”
to which the members of Starmer's party applauded

Starmer continued:
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“I'm well aware of the definition of genocide and that is why I've never referred to it as genocide”

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  • What Would You Have Israel Do, to Defend Itself?

Israel At War - Day 406

There seems to be a broad consensus about the war, structured around two propositions after the attacks of October 7, 2023
1. First - Israel has the right to defend itself and defeat the terrorists
2. Second - the way Israel is doing this is “over the top”

The vast number of dead and starving civilian casualties are gut wrenching, the devastation is overwhelming and it’s hard not to see it all as indiscriminate and the hostage situation -- which leads to an obvious question:
1. If the current Israeli military approach is inhumane, what is the alternative?
2. Is there an alternate strategy Israel can use, to defeat the terrorists without a civilian blood bath?
3. Is there a way to fight this terror war that won’t leave Israel isolated?

  • Israel’s approach to the conflict
The thorniest reality that comes up is that this war is like no other / few others because the crucial theater is underground

In other words, in this war, the terrorists are often underground, the Israelis are above ground and the terrorists seek to position civilians directly between them Their terror strategy -- ‘human camouflage’ and more ruthlessly ‘human ammunition’

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How Israel and Trump Can Win the War and Shape Middle East Policy
JINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024

Middle East solved!

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  • How Israel and the Trump Administration Can Win the War and Shape Middle East Policy
What’s presented here regarding the future is based on what’s acceptable to show in large projects as “success-oriented” meaning an optimistic future that doesn’t consider mistakes and failures

Of course, the future isn’t exactly as I [Amidror] have described it but it needs to be painted clearly to understand what to aspire to and what’s right to plan and do

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After a year of Israel’s brutal war, it’s important to remember that the war didn’t break out because Israel wanted it

The war is Israel’s response to Hamas’s barbaric raid on civilian settlements and Hezbollah is the one who opened fire on northern Israel the day after Hamas’s attack

  • Iran's purpose - Israel’s collapse and destruction
Behind the outbreak of war stood the Iranian dream and practical preparations for its realization, with a clear purpose: to bring about Israel’s collapse and destruction

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To this end, Iran conceived and implemented the “Ring of Fire” strategy around Israel which included building Hamas’s military capability in Gaza and Hezbollah’s more extensive capability in Lebanon

A coordinated campaign from all fronts where terror movements were built with Iranian assistance was supposed to destroy Israel
At the same time, Iran was meant to remain behind the scenes 1,500 km away from Israel, without being implicated

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How Israel and Trump Can Win the War and Shape Middle East Policy
JINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024

Middle East solved!

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  • Iran and it's proxies
If Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar had assumed that the Iranians, Hezbollah and the Palestinian Brotherhood in the West Bank would join the war with full force, he made a massive mistake – in many ways, a critical error

Hamas
However Sinwar, later killed by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) didn’t wait to implement the Iranian plan and started the war without coordination with other “Ring of Fire” components

Perhaps all these factors played a mixed role in his decision – we can’t know for sure
  • Perhaps Sinwar felt pressured by the advancing talks between Saudi Arabia and Israel destruction
  • maybe Sinwar felt a solid religious duty and feared that continued economic progress in Gaza would interfere with his future plans
  • or Sinwar might have felt strong and well-prepared – while Israel appeared weak with its army torn apart by internal strife
  • The publication of the Israeli laser defense system timeline might have also accelerated Sinwar’s actions

While many Hamas terrorists are still alive in Gaza, Hamas in Gaza is no longer relevant as a threat to Israel However....
Hamas still fights with its remaining forces against the IDF inside the Strip as a guerrilla organization with small coordination capability

Still, no one asked themselves how Hamas in Gaza would react to the elimination of Sinwar, its leader
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Hamas’s only success is, its ability to hold Israeli and other hostages

Days earlier, Israel successfully completed the first phase of the ground operation in Gaza, dismantling and destroying Hamas’s military capabilities -- Hamas still firing....

Hezbollah
Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah (also later killed by the IDF) as the senior figure in the “resistance” array against Israel, couldn’t sit idle but also couldn’t risk a major war without preparation and after losing the element of surprise

Therefore, Hezbollah joined the fighting minimally and at a high cost as the connection to Gaza affected its decision flexibility

Over nearly a year, it lost considerable capabilities, especially in southern Lebanon (secretly, the IDF used this time to prepare for the invasion of Lebanon, including through special forces operating in Lebanese territory)

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On what we call the “Beeper Night” when those holding the activation mechanism faced a use-it-or-lose-it crisis and decided to push the button – the war in Lebanon also began in full force on Israel’s initiative

Thus, with almost perfect timing between sectors, Israel, even if by chance, became free to deal with the threat from the north right before the “Beeper Night”

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How Israel and Trump Can Win the War and Shape Middle East Policy
JINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024

Middle East solved!

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  • Trump administration
As the new administration enters office in Washington, it’s appropriate to present the nature and goals of Israel’s war in various sectors to clarify where it’s heading in the coming years

Amidror hopes these efforts will work together with the new administration

The war Israel is conducting operates on four levels:
  • A - First level
The personal security of Israeli citizens in the Gaza border area, the Galilee and throughout the country

  • B - Second level
Israel’s status in the region and the world

Those who wished Israel harm saw October 7, 2023 as the beginning of the end of the Jewish state and Israel lost its status as a regional power

Anyone who smelled Israel’s spilled blood and thought to exploit it – needs to see that those who spilled its blood were dismembered and became irrelevant

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Therefore the war’s results must enable a process of Israel’s return to its status

  • C - Third level
The heart and mind of Muslims in the region

This war’s results need to make clear to the world, especially the Muslim world that radical Islamic movements, both Sunni and Shiite, bring disaster to their people and destruction to their believers

An Israeli failure would lead to the spread of Islamic struggle beyond the Middle East – “the West is next” isn’t an empty slogan but an action plan

  • D - Fourth level
This is an inter-axis war

so it was important for the US to clarify that it stands beside its ally and that opposing the China-Moscow-Tehran-Hamas-Hezbollah-North Korea axis stands the strong Washington-Jerusalem-Riyadh-Abu Dhabi/Dubai-Jordan axis

In the war against Hezbollah, there’s an important additional component:
Hezbollah was Iran’s most robust proxy and damaging Hezbollah, the more complex, the better, will also weaken Iran

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After Iran fired hundreds of missiles of various types toward Israel twice, the actual state of Iran’s military power was revealed and effectively, the Iranian strategy collapsed

The “messengers” were severely hurt and are no longer valuable tools in Iran’s hands

The Israeli operation on the night of October 26, 2024 in which about 20 targets in Iran were hit, made clear to the Iranians the price of direct confrontation with Israel and Iran’s weakness against the capabilities Israel demonstrated

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JINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024

Middle East solved!

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Contrary to claims that no strategic framework can be discerned in Israel’s various actions, it appears that even if no formal policy document describing this was issued, there are guiding principles for Israel’s action, some probably shaped during the war:

  • A - Israel's directive
Israel isn’t operating as in previous wars for “threat postponement” on its borders but based on the understanding that threats must be destroyed (Hamas) or at least drastically change their intensity (Hezbollah)

Before entering Gaza, the cabinet’s directive to the military made this very clear

  • B - Israel's war strategy
Israel prefers to concentrate on one arena as much as possible

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Therefore Israel decided not to attack a very tempting target in Lebanon in the war’s first week, understanding that priority should be given to fighting in Gaza

For this reason, Israel also didn’t hurry to respond strongly to Iran after the significant Iranian attack in April 2024 – because the IDF was very busy in Gaza and the fate of the war in Lebanon wasn’t clear

Even for intensive war in Lebanon, the IDF only entered after dismantling Hamas’s military wing, meaning the end of the intensive campaign in Gaza

Still, once Israel did, all of Hezbollah’s leadership was destroyed with full force

  • C - Israel's plan
The third principle is not to determine what Israel will do in the future before current achievements enable the implementation of the discussed plan

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Therefore who would be responsible for the civilian system in Gaza “the day after” wasn’t determined because such a determination would have added an opinionated partner to Gaza’s complicated complex and anyway, no entity can / wants to enter Gaza as long as Hamas isn’t drastically weakened inside the Strip

Also, Lebanon’s force that could deal with Hezbollah has yet to rise

Therefore due to the same principle, Israel has yet to publish any information about the future of southern Lebanon or what it wants to achieve in the north beyond returning its residents

A declaration that outlines a clear direction for the IDF but doesn’t indicate any political characterization
The only public declaration was that negotiations would be conducted under fire and no ceasefire for talks

Nevertheless Amidror tries to outline what Israel needs to achieve in the end, after the war, despite calls for formal Israeli initiative in Lebanon or Gaza being called into the void without addressees

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JINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024

Middle East solved!

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  • Gaza - Israel’s goals should be defined as follows:
In Gaza, it’s most important to bring about the release of the hostages by force or agreement

In parallel, the IDF needs to “produce” a kind of Area A from the entire Gaza Strip, similar to existing Area A territories in the West Bank although it’s not yet clear who will take the civilian role in Gaza

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It should be an Arab force that will contribute to rehabilitation, clearing the area of weapons and different education – but security control will remain with the IDF However there will be no Israeli settlement in the Strip

  • Lebanon - two achievements must be secured:
In Lebanon, Southern Lebanon must be an area with no Hezbollah personnel and no Hezbollah infrastructure—a “buffer zone” mostly without residents and without any entity threatening Israel

Amidror believes, the IDF will oversee this as UNIFIL is an organization without capability

The buffer zone’s purpose is to prevent flat-trajectory fire toward Israeli settlements and to push Hezbollah’s ground forces beyond the range capable of surprising in the style of October 7

In Lebanon as a whole, the Air Force needs to hit Hezbollah’s firepower and infrastructure severely

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This is until the organization is reduced to such a low threat level that it allows the creation of a free operation space for the Air Force in an area including both Syria and Lebanon

The goal after the war is to continue degrading Hezbollah’s capabilities and not allow it to strengthen

  • Syria - free operation space for the IAF:
What the IDF did in Syria in the last dozen years needs to be done in the future in both countries as one
(extended campaign between wars)

In Syria, any discovered Iranian infrastructure must be hit and Assad must be brought to reduce or give up Iranian presence significantly

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Israel shouldn’t take it upon itself to deal with the Houthi threat or enter a mess with Iraq, despite Iranian militias occasionally operating against it from Iraqi territory

  • Iraq - warning! operating against Israel:
It’s better to make clear to the Iraqi government that Iraq will pay the price for hosting Iranians operating against Israel

Two or three covert operations against economically significant Iraqi facilities will do the desired

  • Yemen - infrastructure targets:
In Yemen, more infrastructure targets should be treated like the Hodeidah port but no more than that

  • Iran - multi-year challenge:
Iran is a great challenge for the future, a multi-year challenge

The latest attack in Iran was a correct step for now but facing the Iranian challenge, Israel will need to organize itself differently
As long as this regime remains in Iran, Israel will know no rest as its commitment to destroy Israel is genuine and sincere

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JINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024

Middle East solved!

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  • How will the future look for Israel?
If Israel continues to act with wisdom, determination and patience – then in about a year, in Amidror's assessment, Gaza will be a threat like that which exists today from Jenin or Tulkarem

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Galilee residents will return to their homes and the Air Force will operate in Lebanon in the way it operated in Syria during the last dozen years, with Hezbollah occasionally trying to fire individual missiles against Israel – and these will be intercepted by Israel’s defense systems, including by the laser that will enter service and ease (as a complementary means) the economic burden of interception

  • Iran - serious, intelligent and dangerous enemy
Israel will focus on a long-term campaign against Iran

Iran is a serious, intelligent and dangerous enemy at a great distance and therefore the main risk it can create is
1. the one stemming from its missile capability
2. and certainly if it has nuclear weapons in the future

The military must concentrate on these two components and undermine the regime
Iran must not be allowed to build new or renewed threats around Israel’s borders, even at the cost of war

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A region where Iran has no strong proxies and Iran itself struggles to deal with long-range warfare against Israel and its allies

In Israel’s north as in its south, Israel must invest many resources to build the Gaza envelope and the north of the country in a way that creates a more robust, flourishing and prosperous civilian space

The broader diplomatic move should focus on renewing complementary efforts to the “Abraham Accords” meaning expanding Israel’s connections throughout the Middle East and beyond and formalizing them

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A strong Israel – that emerged from the October 7, 2023 crisis severely hurt its enemies, proved its internal and military strength and renewed its economic prosperity – will be an essential component in building a different Middle East

This situation will strengthen the US’s position in the Middle East and allow it to rely on Israel when it needs to focus on other regions in the world

As long as the fighting continues, preparing the diplomatic move behind the scenes is right

After the end of the military chapter (which needs about a year of exhaustion time in Gaza) it should be developed with great momentum

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This is where the international community, especially the US can greatly contribute to stabilizing and prospering the Middle East

*IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror is a Distinguished Fellow with the Jewish Institute for National Security of America and former National Security Advisor to Israel’s Prime Minister

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Israel hit nuke weapons research site in Iran last month, set back program — report

'Much harder' for Iran to develop nukes after Parchin strike clap

Strike destroyed equipment used to design explosives for bomb; will have to be replaced if regime seeks to press ahead.

Israel’s airstrikes in Iran last month destroyed an active nuclear weapons research facility in Parchin, the Axios news site reported Friday, citing three US officials, one current Israeli official and one former Israeli official.

The report came as the UN nuclear watchdog prepares to vote on censuring Iran for refusing to cooperate with its inspectors

According to Axios, an Israeli strike on Parchin — part of an hours-long operation on October 26, which came in response to an earlier Iranian attack on Israel — destroyed sophisticated equipment used to design the explosives that could surround uranium in a nuclear device, significantly damaging Iran’s efforts to resume its nuclear weapons research.

The Israeli strike “will make it much harder for Iran to develop a nuclear explosive device if it chooses to do so,” Axios cited two Israeli officials saying.

Iran would need to “replace the equipment that was destroyed” if it wants to produce nuclear weapons, the report cited the Israeli officials saying, “and if Iran tries to procure it, they believe they will be able to track it,” Axios said.

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  • What Would You Have Israel Do, to Defend Itself?

Israel At War - Day 406

There seems to be a broad consensus about the war, structured around two propositions after the attacks of October 7, 2023
1. First - Israel has the right to defend itself and defeat the terrorists
2. Second - the way Israel is doing this is “over the top”

The vast number of dead and starving civilian casualties are gut wrenching, the devastation is overwhelming and it’s hard not to see it all as indiscriminate and the hostage situation -- which leads to an obvious question:
1. If the current Israeli military approach is inhumane, what is the alternative?
2. Is there an alternate strategy Israel can use, to defeat the terrorists without a civilian blood bath?
3. Is there a way to fight this terror war that won’t leave Israel isolated?

  • Israel’s approach to the conflict
The thorniest reality that comes up is that this war is like no other / few others because the crucial theater is underground

In other words, in this war, the terrorists are often underground, the Israelis are above ground and the terrorists seek to position civilians directly between them Their terror strategy -- ‘human camouflage’ and more ruthlessly ‘human ammunition’

Too hard basket question No takers lol

Israel is fighting terrorists in 7 fronted guerilla warfare terror
Missiles Are Pouring Into Israel From All Sides Everyday

What alternate strategy could I give you? Israel is the hunted one

1. Israel did not start this war
2. Let them finish the 'job' and fast
3. Let them destroy and defeat the terrorists, for good
4. remove restraints in its warfare, enabling Israel to pursue its war goals freely
5. unwavering Ironclad support for Israeli security
6. No calls for ceasefire
7. No deals with the terrorists
8. Get the hostages back -- How many are alive
9. endless war No more
10. “complete reassessment of US funding of the United Nations” and rid "entrenched antisemitic bias"
11. money for the crucial theater underground -- from UNRWA rolleyes

Everyone berating and isolating Israel, give no alternate strategy

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Everyone berating and isolating Israel, give no alternate strategy
True because there isn't any

Israel missed their chance to totally destroy Hamas during the 2014 war

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From: Reuters November 16, 2024
Yemen's Houthis say they attacked 'vital target' in Israel's Eilat

Yemen's Houthi forces attacked "a vital target" in Israel's Red Sea port city of Eilat with a number of drones, the Iran-aligned group's military spokesperson Yahya Saree said on Saturday.

The militant group has launched dozens of attacks on international shipping in the Red Sea region since November 2023 in solidarity with Palestinians in the war between Israel and Hamas.

"These operations will not stop until the aggression stops, the siege on the Gaza Strip is lifted, and the aggression on Lebanon stops," Saree added in a televised speech.

The Houthi attacks have upended global trade by forcing ship owners to reroute vessels away from the vital Suez Canal shortcut, and drawn retaliatory U.S. and British strikes since February.

CENTCOM -- Why have they not been neutralized?

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From: The Times of Israel November 18, 2024
Army says interceptor missile crashed into Eilat area

The launch is claimed by the Islamic Resistance in Iraq, an Iran-backed militia, which claims it targeted a “vital asset” in the Eilat area.

The army says it is investigating after an interceptor missile hit the southern resort city of Eilat area during an attempt to shoot down a drone fired from Iraq.

“A number of interceptors were fired at the target, one of the interceptors fell in the area,” the Israel Defense Forces says.
It adds that there have been no reports of injuries.

Video appeared to show the interceptor missile streaking into the sky over the city before falling back down and appearing to land near a hotel strip near the coast, as terrified onlookers watched. Notably, no explosion is heard as the missile impacts the ground.

The army said earlier the drone was successfully downed before reaching Israeli territory.

From: Middle East Observer November 17, 2024
Interceptor missile failure while attempting to intercept a drone in the city of Umm al-Rashrash (Eilat)

From: War Monitor November 17, 2024
Incredibly clear footage showing an Israeli interceptor malfunction and fall back down moments ago in Eilat

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From: The Australian November 18, 2024
Australia is party to UN anti-Israel shame
The International Criminal Court has never investigated any dictators, but it has helped them punish their political opponents.

From: skynews.com.au November 17, 2024
Sky News host Rowan Dean has called Foreign Minister Penny Wong “disgusting and disgraceful” for voting against Australia’s ally Israel in a vote recognising ‘permanent sovereignty’ for Palestinians in occupied territory.

From: 9News November 15, 2024
Australia has voted to recognise Palestinians' "permanent sovereignty" over their natural resources in a significant foreign policy shift that breaks with the US and Israel.

US political adviser to the UN Nicholas Koval said his country was disappointed the committee criticised the resolution as "unbalanced" and "unfairly critical of Israel, demonstrating a clear and persistent institutional bias".

"One-sided resolutions will not help advance peace. Not when they ignore the facts on the ground," he said.

"One-sided resolutions are purely rhetorical documents that seek to divide us at a time when we should be coming together. And one we must not cling to longstanding lines of division."

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Diplomatic is the only way two states is possible Jerusalem the capital for Jews and Muslims.


"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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  • Arab countries vs Israel
    1. Total area of Arab countries 5.07 million square miles Total area of Israel 8,019 square miles
    2. So Israel is 0.16% of the Arab countries In other words Arab states combined are 630 times bigger than Israel
    3. The Arab countries are 545 times larger in land area and 385 times of Israel in population
  • Yet carve up Israel....
    1. Then again, haven't seen any of the 50odd Muslim countries offering refuge and taking in any Palestinians -- wonder why!
    2. They all shut their borders real quick and keep them shut

What have Trump administration nominees said about Israel and its wars?
Al Jazeera by Brian Osgood 17 November 2024

Extracts:
While pro-Israel views are common in US politics, Trump’s picks signal support for far-right Israeli aspirations.

  • Mike Huckabee, Trump nominee for US ambassador to Israel
18 August 2015
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“I would think that if you’re going to visit Israel, you should visit all of Israel
And that should include Judea and Samaria” [Biblical term for the West Bank]
31 May 2015
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I know there are people who think that the smart way to bring peace to the Middle East is to divide Jerusalem up and give away more territory
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I suggest that the one way to have peace is to make clear that Jerusalem will never be divided and it will be in the hands of Israel”
“We never can accept the notion that Israel will be divided that Jerusalem will be carved in half
Let us be clear: The boundaries of Israel are not given by the United Nations but by almighty God”

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Originally Posted by Trojan
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From: The Australian November 18, 2024
Australia is party to UN anti-Israel shame
The International Criminal Court has never investigated any dictators, but it has helped them punish their political opponents.

From: skynews.com.au November 17, 2024
Sky News host Rowan Dean has called Foreign Minister Penny Wong “disgusting and disgraceful” for voting against Australia’s ally Israel in a vote recognising ‘permanent sovereignty’ for Palestinians in occupied territory.

From: 9News November 15, 2024
Australia has voted to recognise Palestinians' "permanent sovereignty" over their natural resources in a significant foreign policy shift that breaks with the US and Israel.
Please! Trump: tell the US allies, in no uncertain terms that voting against an ally is unacceptable and will not be tolerated

Domestic Politics -- We have an election early next year 2025 -- among quite a few others,

The Muslim vote
Extracts:
  • Justice for Palestine
The Australian Muslim Community is uniting -- against?

It is time that the Muslim Vote made the difference
The next Federal election signals a shift We [Muslims] will no longer accept being taken for granted

Australian Muslims are a powerful, united force of nearly 1 million acting in unison

The Muslim Vote alone is capable of forcing the current government into minority government
In 2024 [Muslims] are focused on Federal seats where the Muslim vote can influence the outcome 

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CENTCOM -- Why have they not been neutralized?

Reuters November 18, 2024
A ship passing through the Red Sea 25 nautical miles west of Al-Mukha, Yemen, reported on Sunday that a missile had splashed into the sea nearby, the United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) agency said.

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Mike Huckabee clap

May 31, 2015: Speaking at an Israel Day concert, Huckabee reflected on his first trip to Israel in 1973
He proceeded to say that Israel had no “better friend in the United States” than him and refuted Palestinian claims to Jerusalem.

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The Guardian November 18, 2024
Israeli strike on Beirut kills Hezbollah media chief Mohammed Afif

Attack came without warning on day dozens killed in airstrikes in Gaza and Israel struck other targets in Lebanon

Hezbollah’s chief spokesman has been killed by an Israeli airstrike on Beirut, as Israel intensifies its air offensive in Lebanon despite ongoing indirect negotiations for a ceasefire.

Mohammed Afif, who has been the public face of Hezbollah for months, was killed in a strike on offices of the Ba’ath party in Ras al-Nabaa, central Beirut. The attack in the busy residential area came without warning, and appeared to damage to neighbouring buildings.

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The Times of Israel November 18, 2024
Incoming majority leader says, Senate will sanction ICC unless case against Israelis dropped

Senator John Thune says the US must pass legislation threatening the International Criminal Court with sanctions if it seeks arrest warrants against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and others.

“If the ICC and its prosecutor do not reverse their outrageous and unlawful actions to pursue arrest warrants against Israeli officials, the Senate should immediately pass sanctions legislation, as the House has already done on a bipartisan basis,” tweets Thune, who will become the majority leader of the Senate in early January when Republicans officially take over Congress.

If the ICC and its prosecutor do not reverse their outrageous and unlawful actions to pursue arrest warrants against Israeli officials, the Senate should immediately pass sanctions legislation, as the House has already done on a bipartisan basis.

If current Majority Leader Schumer does not “the Senate Republican majority will stand with our key ally Israel and make this – and other supportive legislation – a top priority in the next Congress.”

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Originally Posted by Capri
Everyone berating and isolating Israel, give no alternate strategy
True because there isn't any

Israel missed their chance to totally destroy Hamas during the 2014 war

  • What Would You Have Israel Do, to Defend Itself?
Ref: my post 15 November 2024
My question was 'plagiarised' from the below -- I am not that clever!

What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?
The New York Times Opinion by David Brooks *March 24, 2024

As Raphael Cohen, the director of the strategy and doctrine program at the RAND Corporation, wrote in Foreign Policy:
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“If the international community wants Israel to change strategies in *Gaza then it should offer a viable alternative strategy to Israel’s announced goal of destroying Hamas in the strip

And right now, that alternate strategy simply does not exist”

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