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Was Merlino set up?
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12/11/23 12:19 PM
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I watched Michael (Chicken) Franzese respond to Merlino, In his response, he reveals that the man who contacted Merlino asking for a meeting was NOT HIS LAWYER, BUT A FORMER EMPLOYEE. He does not condemn the man, in fact sort of defends him. He then attacked Merlino. A set up? If so, Merlino fell for it. When he was reading the texts from what he said was Franzese's attorney, I wondered if he checked to see if that was the lawyer. He didn't. Merlino screwed up, He also, again, did not call Sonny a rat. He knocked him for not cutting his son off after Michael testified.
The strange part is the unanswered question: Who was the man who contacted Merlino? His name has been given out, by Franzese. Is he a nut, or did Franzese set it up? I still cannot believe Merlino did not google the name to see if that was the lawyer. Unless he faked the lawyer's name. Now Frnazese is acting tough and outraged over it, not at the man who made believe he was his lawyer, but at Merlino.
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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Do you guys think that Merlino's alleged point was that Sonny should've ordered the murders of both his sons because they were rats? I mean it happened back in the days... Wonder if he asked for that to be done? Michael is not his son by blood so that might be easier but I am guessing he loved his wife, michael's mom, so much for standing by him through his life, he could not order a hit? I agree and I get your point since we're both sane individuals, but in the past many Mafia members whether it was their own blood or not, they killed or beat the shit out of them. Back in the days it was normal to adopt a child but in the brain of a Mafia high level member at the time, that same situation was also a little bit different. "CN comes before your family" right? I think that was one of the main rules...and Sonny as an old-timer obviously broke their own rule....
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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TBH by the time Sonny reached 100 years old I doubt the Colombos had any serious hitters to do the deed. I dont know shit about most of the NY Mafia, especially the Colombos, but what year did Michael decided to testify? And when the other son decided to spill the beans also?
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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Franzese testified against Norby Walters in 1989. John Jr. flipped "twice". He gave information sometime in the early 2000s, but was somehow able to convince his father's circle that it wasn't true. Then he flipped for good in 2008, I believe. Thanks for the info bud. Again, I dont know much about the Colombos but I think they still had hitters during those days, or maybe Im wrong?!
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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Franzese testified against Norby Walters in 1989. John Jr. flipped "twice". He gave information sometime in the early 2000s, but was somehow able to convince his father's circle that it wasn't true. Then he flipped for good in 2008, I believe. Thanks for the info bud. Again, I dont know much about the Colombos but I think they still had hitters during those days, or maybe Im wrong?! No, you're spot on. I would even go as far as to say that the Colombos boasted a rather strong lineup of killers back then. One thing about the Colombos is that they always put a great deal of effort into recruiting dangerous guys
But you had to play it cool, had to do it your way Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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Addressing the question of Michael's biological relationship to Sonny, it was explained to me that Michael is, in fact, Sonny's biological son. However, the decision to conceal this fact stemmed from Sonny's desire to keep certain things a secret. First of all, Michael's mother was quite young when he was born, around 15 years old, while Sonny was 34. Furthermore, Sonny was married to another woman and having a child out of wedlock was not taken lightly either.
But you had to play it cool, had to do it your way Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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That's true Giacalone, but by the early 2000s I'd say they were pretty much outta there. Even worse today. Today is a different world, but in the early 2000s you had plenty of very serious people. You had Craig Marino for example (who is still around actually). You also had Dino Saracino, Joey Caves, BF, Black Dom, Teddy Jr. got out in '04, Chickie DeMartino, Dino Calabro, Tommy Shots, Frank Campione, not to mention Sonny himself. Every single one of these guys mentioned is/was a killer
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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Franzese testified against Norby Walters in 1989. John Jr. flipped "twice". He gave information sometime in the early 2000s, but was somehow able to convince his father's circle that it wasn't true. Then he flipped for good in 2008, I believe. Thanks for the info bud. Again, I dont know much about the Colombos but I think they still had hitters during those days, or maybe Im wrong?! No, you're spot on. I would even go as far as to say that the Colombos boasted a rather strong lineup of killers back then. One thing about the Colombos is that they always put a great deal of effort into recruiting dangerous guys Thanks again bro. So can I safely say that Sonny was able to order his sons hits, even from prison? He obviously didnt do it and broke one of their rules, while on the hand being constantly labeled as alleged hardcore and feared individual who also allegedly took the lives of many men and always followed the rules.
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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Franzese testified against Norby Walters in 1989. John Jr. flipped "twice". He gave information sometime in the early 2000s, but was somehow able to convince his father's circle that it wasn't true. Then he flipped for good in 2008, I believe. Thanks for the info bud. Again, I dont know much about the Colombos but I think they still had hitters during those days, or maybe Im wrong?! No, you're spot on. I would even go as far as to say that the Colombos boasted a rather strong lineup of killers back then. One thing about the Colombos is that they always put a great deal of effort into recruiting dangerous guys Thanks again bro. So can I safely say that Sonny was able to order his sons hits, even from prison? He obviously didnt do it and broke one of their rules, while on the hand being constantly labeled as alleged hardcore and feared individual who also allegedly took the lives of many men and always followed the rules. Yes, I believe Sonny's weakness was his children. It's very hard to blame him for that, but I also think it helped Michael that he didn't take the stand against any made members. On the other hand, Sonny would have gladly killed other peoples kids for doing what Michael did. The crazy thing is that Sonny was actually one of the first people who lobbied for the execution of John Gotti Jr. when it came out that he had proffered. In the end, he was just a murderer and a hypocrite.
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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Yes, I believe Sonny's weakness was his children. It's very hard to blame him for that, but I also think it helped Michael that he didn't take the stand against any made members. On the other hand, Sonny would have gladly killed other peoples kids for doing what Michael did. The crazy thing is that Sonny was actually one of the first people who lobbied for the execution of John Gotti Jr. when it came out that he had proffered. In the end, he was just a murderer and a hypocrite.
Nicely said and thanks again.
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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Yes, but what about the fact that the man who contacted Merlino saying he was Franzese's lawyer was actually an ex-employee of Franzese, and not his lawyer? Could Franzese have set it up? Of course he could have … he been lying and scamming his entire life …. He will still do just about anything to make a dollar. Thank you, you are the only one so far to answer that question. Its a silly question that's why. How would it even be considered a set up? You don't even consider the fact that Mikey got told off and got embarrassed and did the classic 8 year olds' excuse "It wasn't even me"
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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It is not a silly question at all. Merlino was contacted by a man who said he was Michael Franzesse's attorney, and wanted to set up a meeting. Michael Franzese himself said later that week, after Merlino reacted to the message, that the man was not his attorney, He then said the man used to work for him. I asked everyone here if they thought Frnazese may have had the man contact Merlino in order to get a response. This is silly:
Shotguntherifle: Its a silly question that's why. How would it even be considered a set up? You don't even consider the fact that Mikey got told off and got embarrassed and did the classic 8 year olds' excuse "It wasn't even me"
So Merlino answered a question from a guy who was once affiliated with Sonny, asking to do a show with him? Merlino responded, I don't think he gave a shit if the guy knew him or didnt, the response would of been the same. This was an opportunity to set it clear he isnt doing a show with any rat. You over thinking something stupid and trying to call it a set up like its Funzi Teiri on Tony Banana's stuff.
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Re: Was Merlino set up?
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[quote=jace]It is not a silly question at all. Merlino was contacted by a man who said he was Michael Franzesse's attorney, and wanted to set up a meeting. Michael Franzese himself said later that week, after Merlino reacted to the message, that the man was not his attorney, He then said the man used to work for him. I asked everyone here if they thought Frnazese may have had the man contact Merlino in order to get a response. This is silly:
Shotguntherifle: Its a silly question that's why. How would it even be considered a set up? You don't even consider the fact that Mikey got told off and got embarrassed and did the classic 8 year olds' excuse "It wasn't even me"
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So Merlino answered a question from a guy who was once affiliated with Sonny, asking to do a show with him? Merlino responded, I don't think he gave a shit if the guy knew him or didnt, the response would of been the same. This was an opportunity to set it clear he isnt doing a show with any rat. You over thinking something stupid and trying to call it a set up like its Funzi Teiri on Tony Banana's stuff.
Did you watch the podcast, or follow this topic? The guy said he was Franzese's lawyer, how is it that you find that hard to comprehend??
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