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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples
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12/09/23 08:25 AM
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Vanella returned to NY sometime around the early 1920's I think, meaning he obviously wasnt involved much in the conflicts during Prohibition, although he probably killed more than few people previously for Colosimo and Torrio. Vanella is somewhat of a unique Italian surname. He may have been related, as a father, uncle, brother, cousin, to Antonio (Tony) Vanella, a notorious and deadly mafioso who hailed from Downtown New York and was active throughout the 1920s-1960s era. Im not sure but I think that you and I already started this convo in the past but never made a final point. Can you dig up something about it? Lol. (I thought the same thing, that we did bring it up already.) But lets' see if we can dig up a connection between them.
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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples
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12/09/23 08:30 AM
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Vanella returned to NY sometime around the early 1920's I think, meaning he obviously wasnt involved much in the conflicts during Prohibition, although he probably killed more than few people previously for Colosimo and Torrio. Vanella is somewhat of a unique Italian surname. He may have been related, as a father, uncle, brother, cousin, to Antonio (Tony) Vanella, a notorious and deadly mafioso who hailed from Downtown New York and was active throughout the 1920s-1960s era. Im not sure but I think that you and I already started this convo in the past but never made a final point. Can you dig up something about it? Lol. (I thought the same thing, that we did bring it up already.) But lets' see if we can dig up a connection between them. Lol +1
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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples
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12/10/23 12:24 PM
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Interesting information, thanks! But in your opinion, who was this mafia boss who had Luciano kneel before him and kiss his hand? I thought Luciano was more respected in Italy. Even though I don't sympathize with gangsters, but to be honest it's a little disappointing that Luciano acted so subservient, if the story is true...
You're welcome bud. To be honest I personally dont have a clue on who the Italian mob boss might've been or again, if the situation really occurred...but wasnt there also some story floating around that Luciano was allegedly once slapped in the face by some Italian mobster???
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Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples
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12/10/23 01:00 PM
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Interesting information, thanks! But in your opinion, who was this mafia boss who had Luciano kneel before him and kiss his hand? I thought Luciano was more respected in Italy. Even though I don't sympathize with gangsters, but to be honest it's a little disappointing that Luciano acted so subservient, if the story is true...
You're welcome bud. To be honest I personally dont have a clue on who the Italian mob boss might've been or again, if the situation really occurred...but wasnt there also some story floating around that Luciano was allegedly once slapped in the face by some Italian mobster??? I posted about the incident ealier, it was reported in the NY Times in 1950. Francesco Pirozzi slapt him the public humiliation was ordered by Camorra boss Alfredo Maisto.
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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples
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12/10/23 01:11 PM
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Alfredo Maisto is, together with Pasquale Simonetti and Vittorio Nappi , one of the last representatives of the old pre-Cutolian Camorra. These characters, much loved and feared by the local population, were also called Guappi . These are legendary figures around which the population builds anecdotes, sometimes without foundation.
Maisto is recalled several times by Raffaele Cutolo . Don Alfredo Maisto helps the father of the future head of the NCO, an episode that will allow Cutolo to establish a sort of connection between the boss and some figures of the Catholic imagination, in particular that of the Archangel Gabriel . It is possible to affirm that, on the basis of this imagery, filtered by a magical thought typical of the local culture, the personality of the bloodthirsty boss of Ottaviano is built .
Alfredo Maisto dies of a stroke in a clinic bed. In Giugliano the memory of his funeral which was attended by thousands of people.
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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples
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12/10/23 02:40 PM
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It's also interesting that, although the story of Luciano being slapped by a camorrista in Italy is quite famous, but it's quite confusing who exactly was the one actually slapping him; almost every time I see this story, a different name is mentioned: Francesco Pirozzi, Vittorio Nappi, Pasquale Simonetti, to name a few. This article in Italian: https://www.stylo24.it/cosi-badalamenti-vendico-l-affronto-subito-ad-agnano-da-lucky-luciano/even says that Gaetano Badalamenti had that man whacked by Salvatore Zaza, as late revenge for the insult against Luciano, according to Antonino Calderone, who doesn't specify a name though. The versions of the event seem to be countless...
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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples
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12/11/23 07:15 PM
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It's also interesting that, although the story of Luciano being slapped by a camorrista in Italy is quite famous, but it's quite confusing who exactly was the one actually slapping him; almost every time I see this story, a different name is mentioned: Francesco Pirozzi, Vittorio Nappi, Pasquale Simonetti, to name a few. This article in Italian: https://www.stylo24.it/cosi-badalamenti-vendico-l-affronto-subito-ad-agnano-da-lucky-luciano/even says that Gaetano Badalamenti had that man whacked by Salvatore Zaza, as late revenge for the insult against Luciano, according to Antonino Calderone, who doesn't specify a name though. The versions of the event seem to be countless... I don't believe Calderone really know what happened he may have heard some rumors Simonetti was maybe present as was Nappi but they were bosses themselves in 1950 a low level guy like Pirozzi seems more likely on orders of his boss Maisto.
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Re: Lucky Luciano in Naples
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12/12/23 07:15 AM
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Lucky in Nazi Germany By Tim Newark In his new biography of the legendary mobster, "Lucky Luciano: the Real and the Fake Gangster" (St Martin's Press), Tim Newark uses primary sources in US and European archives to reveal new truths about the gangster and puncture old myths. In this extract, he exposes for the first time Luciano's trip to Nazi Germany. https://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_464.html
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