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Re: Italy organized crime and the 80s
[Re: Dwalin2011]
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01/08/24 10:06 PM
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Havana, thanks for the links, interesting information! You are welcome.Hope you find it useful. Another thing that might possible be a factor of how the mafia or camorra spread to Calabria ,Apulia,etc, might be according to their dialects,or language. This might not mean much,but the dialects of Campania,Molise,Soyh Abruzzo,South Lazio,Basicalata,upper Apulia,Northern Calabria are said to be part of the Neapolitan Language According to Wikipoaedia, Dialects of Southern Calabria,Southern Apulia,and Sicily are said to be part of the Sicilian Language ,along with a dmall area in Campania,maybe around Amalfi or in Salerno somewhere
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Re: Italy organized crime and the 80s
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01/09/24 09:02 AM
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I agree that killing a lot doesn't mean being more powerful, but for example the murder of an inconvenient judge like Gratteri would be almost unthinkable today Few years ago Cosa Nostra wanted to kill Nino Di Matteo, i don't know if u remember that , explosives were sent from Calabria, Matteo Messina Denaro said same people who wanted Falcone and Borsellino dead ordered it and that it must be done. Police learned about it thru informant and managed to arrest them and seize the explosives. But it's just stupid, if they do anything like that today , they are done, insane heat will bring them all down like it did in late 80s early 90s yes, i remember and that's the difference with the 80s, at that time police couldn't prevent the hit like today
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Re: Italy organized crime and the 80s
[Re: m2w]
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01/09/24 01:25 PM
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it seems organized crime in Apulia was older than we thought, at least in Bari, but i don't think there is a continuity with the actual clans Probably no way to tell until somebody that's knows decides to tell The clans might have stayed intact while their activities might have slowed down enough that nobody paid attention. Then during different periods of Italy's history,like maybe under Musolini,they just couldn't be as powerful and thought to have been extinct.I think at some point the Camorra was thought to have dsappeared Probably like in America where in certain cities,their "black hand " activities gave way to Prohibition and then Gambling. Words like Mob and Syndicate replace words like Maifa,Camorra,Black Hand.But in reality although they changed businesses and started working with other ethnicities.,they were still secretly intact families.Probably expose by Appalachia
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Re: Italy organized crime and the 80s
[Re: m2w]
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01/09/24 01:47 PM
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it seems organized crime in Apulia was older than we thought, at least in Bari, but i don't think there is a continuity with the actual clans Its also possible that after that big Trial in Bari that a lot of them came to America by early 1900s,especially to NYS There were some towns in NYS that were under a heavy Barese/Apulian presence along side of Calabrians Hard to tell but possibly in NYS the Apulians/Barese might have mixed mainly with the Calabrians in some places or operated side by side
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Re: Italy organized crime and the 80s
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01/10/24 08:56 AM
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I wonder how the Stidda did flourish in Sicily with the Mafia going at them. The Stidda groups had to be ruthless maybe because several of them were ex Cosa Nostra members Good point. But so many guys that they organized a brand new organization. Make me wondering if maybe one day, we will see the birth of a new italian-american organized crime group in the US. Sure the Cosa Nostra is so well implanted in the US, but so did the sicilian mafia in sicily
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