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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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NYMafia this is outstanding. Thank you so very much for putting this together. You're very welcome, Rush. I'm happy to see the expose' is being well received. FYI; Since you first read it, I've added about a dozen more locations, as well as a few dozen more mob figures tasked with "overseeing" those satellites....with more on the way. So make sure to check back periodically for updates, ok.
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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NYMafia this is outstanding. Thank you so very much for putting this together. You're very welcome, Rush. I'm happy to see the expose' is being well received. FYI; Since you first read it, I've added about a dozen more locations, as well as a few dozen more mob figures tasked with "overseeing" those satellites....with more on the way. So make sure to check back periodically for updates, ok. It's interesting to know that the Gambinos out of New York had Chicago as a satellite location!
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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NYMafia this is outstanding. Thank you so very much for putting this together. You're very welcome, Rush. I'm happy to see the expose' is being well received. FYI; Since you first read it, I've added about a dozen more locations, as well as a few dozen more mob figures tasked with "overseeing" those satellites....with more on the way. So make sure to check back periodically for updates, ok. It's interesting to know that the Gambinos out of New York had Chicago as a satellite location! In California also for that matter, among many other locales. After all, they were a huge borgata, as were/did the old Luciano Family
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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NYMafia this is outstanding. Thank you so very much for putting this together. You're very welcome, Rush. I'm happy to see the expose' is being well received. FYI; Since you first read it, I've added about a dozen more locations, as well as a few dozen more mob figures tasked with "overseeing" those satellites....with more on the way. So make sure to check back periodically for updates, ok. It's interesting to know that the Gambinos out of New York had Chicago as a satellite location! In California also for that matter, among many other locales. After all, they were a huge borgata, as were/did the old Luciano Family So that obviously proves that the Outfit and the Gambinos were/are business associates.
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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Rush, no doubt about it.
In fact, I'm sure on numerous occasions "The Chicago Outfit" went partners with many various individual mafiosi and their Families, not only with all of NYC's Five Families, but with borgatas all across the entire U.S.; Los Angeles, Tampa, New Orleans, Detroit, New England, etc.
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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I love these types of projects which makes you think and also to learn new stuff. Thanks @NYM
- As we previously spoke about it, Tony Pinelli was a soldier/crew boss from the Near North Side, W Grand Av and Taylor St, under Jimmy DeGeorge's regime, but when the second conflict occurred, in 1945 Pinelli fled to LA. Later in 1952 he was brought back to Chicago by Accardo and Giancana and was elevated as capo for the "new" Indiana crew. In fact, most of the guys who remained neutral during the war, such as Morgano, Formusa, and Coliani, were placed under Pinelli and formed the crew. After the conflict DeGeorge was demoted to soldier and was sent to Wisconsin.
- Yes, Lou Fratto was a soldier/crew boss in Iowa, but before him there was one Chicago capo known as Charlie Gioe. During the later 30s Gioe was brought back to Chicago and so he sent for Fratto.
- From the late 1950s until the late 80s, Chicago had two crews in Phoenix and Tucson, AZ. One was headed by the Battaglia/Grand Av crew and the other was headed by the Chicago Heights crew. The Indian Schiro and Spilotro represented the Grand Av crew, while Armand D'Andrea and Joe Buddy Tocco were reps for the Heights crew.
- Alleged Chinatown member Saladino was probably more connected to Rockford than Chicago, which means that either Rockford had some ops in Chicago and paid their tax, or it was the other way around. For what its worth, Rockford was represented by Chicago on the round table but the Outfit never managed to dictate on what went down within the Rockford family.
- Also, Charlie Fish was acting boss from 1944 until 1946.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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02/12/24 04:44 PM
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I love these types of projects which makes you think and also to learn new stuff. Thanks @NYM
- As we previously spoke about it, Tony Pinelli was a soldier/crew boss from the Near North Side, W Grand Av and Taylor St, under Jimmy DeGeorge's regime, but when the second conflict occurred, in 1945 Pinelli fled to LA. Later in 1952 he was brought back to Chicago by Accardo and Giancana and was elevated as capo for the "new" Indiana crew. In fact, most of the guys who remained neutral during the war, such as Morgano, Formusa, and Coliani, were placed under Pinelli and formed the crew. After the conflict DeGeorge was demoted to soldier and was sent to Wisconsin.
- Yes, Lou Fratto was a soldier/crew boss in Iowa, but before him there was one Chicago capo known as Charlie Gioe. During the later 30s Gioe was brought back to Chicago and so he sent for Fratto.
- From the late 1950s until the late 80s, Chicago had two crews in Phoenix and Tucson, AZ. One was headed by the Battaglia/Grand Av crew and the other was headed by the Chicago Heights crew. The Indian Schiro and Spilotro represented the Grand Av crew, while Armand D'Andrea and Joe Buddy Tocco were reps for the Heights crew.
- Alleged Chinatown member Saladino was probably more connected to Rockford than Chicago, which means that either Rockford had some ops in Chicago and paid their tax, or it was the other way around. For what its worth, Rockford was represented by Chicago on the round table but the Outfit never managed to dictate on what went down within the Rockford family.
- Also, Charlie Fish was acting boss from 1944 until 1946.
Thats excellent additional information TD. In fact, I'd like you to "re-read" and "re-review" this expose because I've added so many more guys and crews, not only for The Outfit, but all across the country. As an example, by my count, we now have over 159 satellite locations listed, representing 24 Families, and over 279 allied mob figures from hierarchy bosses to capos, soldiers and associates overseeing these satellites. (and my list is growing by the day, as you can see.) Since we released this article several days ago, I've added substantially to Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, Genovese, Lucchese, etc. For instance, The Chicago Outfit alone, now has (9) satellite locations...but I know there must be a lot more, no doubt So review Chitown and let me know what you think, and maybe we'll make a few adjustment and/or additions accordingly. PS: On that note, I cordially invite anyone else who's interested, on the GBB forum, to review the "satellite" location list, and inform me of any other locations you think I should consider, ok? ...."The Other Guy"
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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Since you have Canada, than you can also add Sam Giancana in Mexico. He had one or two casinos over there, and was involved in real estate.
Giancanas friend and associate Richard Cain controlled gambling operation and also dope deals in Madrid, Spain.
Hyman Larner and the Bastone brothers were stationed in Panama during one period.
Chicago also had deported high level members in Italy, such as Dom Roberto and Tommy Morgano, who still received income from the US and made deals on their side in Europe.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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Since you have Canada, than you can also add Sam Giancana in Mexico. He had one or two casinos over there, and was involved in real estate.
Giancanas friend and associate Richard Cain controlled gambling operation and also dope deals in Madrid, Spain.
Hyman Larner and the Bastone brothers were stationed in Panama during one period.
Chicago also had deported high level members in Italy, such as Dom Roberto and Tommy Morgano, who still received income from the US and made deals on their side in Europe.
How long was Giancana in Mexico? Also, did he have any men there, or no? Aside from Italy, Cuba, Island and possibly South America, I don't think the "American" guys ran any significant crews or sustained rackets out of the country. (I also don't wanna get too far flung with this map) The Robertos brothers I'm familiar with. Did they continue to operate rackets overseas? Or were they just still receiving money from back home? For instance, we know that once they returned back to Sicily/Italy, guys like Luciano and Coppola continued and even accelerated their rackets, i.e. narcotics smuggling to the States, counterfeiting, etc. Do we have info that Roberto or Morgano did the same? Because then that would qualify them as a "satellite"
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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The DeCavalcantes had an outpost in Ribera, Agrigento. The Bonnanos in Castellammare del Golfo, Trapani.
Detroit additional territory throughout Michigan, Partinico, Palermo, in Windsor, Ontario; Toledo, Ohio, Wheeling, West Virginia; Columbus, Ohio; Trumbull County, Ohio; Mahoning County, Ohio; Nevada.
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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02/14/24 06:15 AM
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The DeCavalcantes had an outpost in Ribera, Agrigento. The Bonnanos in Castellammare del Golfo, Trapani.
Detroit additional territory throughout Michigan, Partinico, Palermo, in Windsor, Ontario; Toledo, Ohio, Wheeling, West Virginia; Columbus, Ohio; Trumbull County, Ohio; Mahoning County, Ohio; Nevada.
Yes, there were some families, (not all, but some) who had close ties back in the old country, especially years ago, during the 1930s-1970s era, when there were still many first-generation mafiosi who still in close communication with their relatives back home, and Italian immigrants coming to the U.S. was still heavy.
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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How long was Giancana in Mexico? Also, did he have any men there, or no?
Aside from Italy, Cuba, Island and possibly South America, I don't think the "American" guys ran any significant crews or sustained rackets out of the country. (I also don't wanna get too far flung with this map)
The Robertos brothers I'm familiar with. Did they continue to operate rackets overseas? Or were they just still receiving money from back home?
For instance, we know that once they returned back to Sicily/Italy, guys like Luciano and Coppola continued and even accelerated their rackets, i.e. narcotics smuggling to the States, counterfeiting, etc.
Do we have info that Roberto or Morgano did the same? Because then that would qualify them as a "satellite"
- Giancana fled to Mexico sometime around 1966 together with his lawyer and mob associate, followed by Giancanas companion and alleged made guy Richard Cain who in turn constantly travelled between Mexico and Chicago but when he got jailed during the late 60s, that same job partially fell on Blasi, mainly because he also had his own problems at the same time. Giancana wasnt the only Chicago guy in Mexico at the time, since also present was Outfit member Nick Circella who in turn was previously deported but also had his own schemes. Circellas brother August was another messenger between Nick, Giancana and the Outfit. Another deported capo Tommy Morgano also visited Mexico during one period and his messenger was North Side member Ernest Sansone. When Cain was released from jail, he again returned to Mexico to assist his boss until he was killed in 1972/73, the same time when Giancana was deported from Mexico to the US. So a lot of stuff went down in Mexico for more than two decades. - Yes, Central and South America were the Outfits main areas for doing business during the old days and they had members, associates or whole crews who oversaw the operations. - Dom Roberto was deported to Italy since the early 1930s and from that point on he was constantly visited by his successors and also by some members of the Outfits top admin. Roberto still received income from their ops in the US AND was also involved in important deals, especially the transportation of narcotics (hence the pic of him together Ammiratto and Luciano in Italy). Same as Roberto, Morgano also still received income from the US AND allegedly still controlled his Indiana crew in the US, mainly through Frank Zizzo and Gruttadauro. - There were also former capos who fled Chicago like Ralph Capone who didnt have crew members anymore but still controlled rackets in certain areas in different states.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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PS: If you can, please provide me with the specific towns/cities in Central and South America where the operated, and also a few names for each location. Then I'll add them in, ok.
Ill send you some of the names of Outfit members and associates who operated around Mexico, Panama, Ecuador, Dominican Republic, Caribbean Islands and also two from the U.S. ok?! Wheeling, Illinois - Rocco Potenza/Potenzo (soldier/crew boss), Ross Prio (capo) Kankakee County, Illinois - Guy Sparta, Alan Zimmerman, Paul Payne, Harold Edwards, Armando Pezzopane Mexico - Paul Roland Jones, Nick Circella (soldier), Sam Giancana (boss), Richard Cain (soldier) (and possibly Tommy Morgano) Panama City and Colon; Panama - Hyman Larner, Carmine and Sal Bastone (soldiers), Marcell Harrick, Ross Scheer Ecuador - Anselmo a.k.a. Sonny Pacini, Allan Rothman Santo Domingo; Dominican Republic - Les Kruse, Albert and Frank Meo (their father Charles Meo was member of the old Capone mob) Caribbean Islands - James Tortoriello (alleged made guy), Sam Volpentesto
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A
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