If the Spaniard and Frenchman were made is also still up for debate..

Declaring that Mr. Rizzuto “makes the f–king rules” regardless of what Mafia bosses in Sicily thought, Mr. Fernandez asserted his right to sit at the table with other “men of honour.”

“Vito ‘made’ me and my compare, Raynald,” Mr. Fernandez is heard saying on a wiretap, a reference to being officially inducted into the Mafia, a right previously reserved for Italians.

“You’re not Italian,” said the surprised man he was speaking with.

“No, no. Me and my compare,” Mr. Fernandez insisted, were “made” men despite their lineage.

When faced with further disbelief, Mr. Fernandez, who was an intensely intimidating man, started bellowing.

“Show some respect. I sit at the right hand of God, that’s how close I am,” he said of his relationship with Mr. Rizzuto.

“But I thought that…” the man stammered back, apparently realizing the danger, his voice turning quiet and meek, “I just thought you couldn’t because you’re not Italian.”

Funny how they were physically terrified of him yet still whacked him. That's how bullies are, all big and bad until the guns come out.

BTW most of the Sicilian guys involved previously lived in Canada.

Really? Including the Scaduto brothers?

Yes both of them and also Carbone who turned rat.

A guy like Alite would have done anything for them if he had that opportunity ! But could never be a 'made' man in the mafia because the grandson of Albanian immigrants was born in Tirana, Albania.

And that's ironic because so many Albanians are mixed into the blood lines all over South Italy/Sicily and many Albanians have Italian mixed in.Some Italian names are derived from the Albanians. Also supposedly still some centuries Albanian Greek-speaking communities in the South/Sicily

Again in Naples are plenry of wannabe dor refill the ranks,the problem is to they must before learn the english.

Why is it that Calabrians and Sicilians seemed to have kept coming here from time to time and get involved with the mob,while not so many from Naples,Bari,etc

to some of the points rush st. has been making about 'next gen' of mafia not wanting anything to do with being in mafia...was that not the goal of majority of successful mafia leaders?
they did not want their sons following in their bloody and imprisoned footsteps, most certainly not after what many of them had to do for money to send them to some of the best schools in the country. this idea that all subsequent mafia children must follow the path into the mob goes against majority of evidence the other way. starting even back in 1930s those in power across the U.S. used their power and influence to get their children on a course away from the day to day drudgery of a street soldier. and if some did follow their fathers into crime they had protection to an extent if fathers were operating at high level a la carlo gambino and sons. i mean tony accardos grandson plays in the NFL, nick bosa. do you think ole man accardo would have been more happy if nick was just now taking his first pinch for being part of outfit bust or one of top linemen in the most watched sport in the world? all the bloodshed and scheming and grinding out rackets trying to give their families a better life, albeit criminally to then expect next gen to again start out low level and earn his way up would have defeated the whole purpose of all the sacrifices guys like accardo, gambino, the zerilli family etc made.

the outliers in this are the gottis, scarfo, patriarca et al.

I agree with those statements

Thats not true, Havana. Many guys from all of those provinces kept coming. Maybe less Barese, but among the Napolitani, Calabrese and Sicilians there were many. Even today, although nobody speaks about it, and most people don't even know about it, many Campania and Calabria "imports" jump between the raindrops and still operate in the New York area (that I am aware of.) I cannot speak for other cities.

That's interesting. What kind of rackets do newcomers usually jump into,especially since maybe they don't always speak English and most of the "vices" are run by government.Maybe contruction ?

LOL. Well now, thats another story altogether. There's not much left.

But the "zips" for lack of a better word, mostly operate within their own personal network, and don't mix up with the American guys too much (although they check in with the NY bosses and put what they need to 'on record' as is required of a 'visiting' out-of-towner.)

Smuggling narcotics and wholesale distribution, running their own card games, with video slot machine parlors in private clubs, shakedowns and strong-arm extortion among a limited crowd, construction schemes, cash pizzerias and restaurants, etc., etc.

If you count all members/associates of Sicilian Mafia, Ndrangheta Camorra and SCU in the USA we are talking about a few thousand people.

Guaranteed for the money

As for Giuseppe Carbone, those guys probably wouldn't have ever gotten caught if not for him trying to pawn Joe Bravo's watch. That was very fucking stupid. I imagine another reason for him flipping is because he feared being whacked himself for committing such a blunder.

He get 16 years for flipping in 2014. So Joe Bravo was killed along the other man because dont stay with Rizzuto side and Vito ordered to kill them?

Yes, that's definitely one of the most legendary acts in Vito Rizzuto's career, ordering a murder in Sicily from Canada.

Haha, in America he would've gotten less time than that. They treat rats good over here.

Yep along with the elimination of Moreno Gallo in Acapulco.