i'm glad raisi died allah is great for making that justice
also things are going on in gaza, forces are operating near very near rafah
overall it's that europeans are sleeping while their countries are being invaded by tons of immigrants. i hope they will wake up or else they will be in our place soon... wake up !
Hamas are smart group I remember that old guy way back he was in a wheelchair Israel took him out. If Israel want to take out Hamas leadership they have to do it the right way not kill innocent people.
haha do you remember him !? lol nice his name was ahmed yassin
Hamas are smart group I remember that old guy way back he was in a wheelchair Israel took him out. If Israel want to take out Hamas leadership they have to do it the right way not kill innocent people.
haha do you remember him !? lol nice his name was ahmed yassin
Yes thanks Meyer good to hear from you.
Sheikh Ahmed Yassin—the founder and spiritual leader of the Hamas movement—was born in 1936. He and his family were forcibly displaced from their village outside Ashkelon during the Nakba. Yassin, who was paralysed following a childhood accident, joined the Muslim Brotherhood in his youth.
In 1989, the Israelis arrested him and sentenced him to life imprisonment for issuing orders to kill anyone cooperating with the Israeli army. He was released in 1997 through a prisoner exchange facilitated by the late King Hussein of Jordan after an assassination attempt on Khaled Mashal, head of the Hamas Political Bureau, in Amman.
Yassin was assassinated in Gaza City by missiles from an Israeli Apache helicopter in March 2004 at the age of 67.
NOS News • Today, 10:37 PM Netanyahu: Attack on Rafah tent camp 'tragic mistake', offensive continues
Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu has admitted that the army bears responsibility for the dozens of deaths in a tent camp in Rafah. In a speech in the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, he called the incident a "tragic mistake", international media wrote.
It is still unclear to what extent the fire in the tent camp was caused by the Israeli air strike. Netanyahu reiterates that the incident is still being investigated, but already calls it a mistake. He emphasizes that the attack targeted two senior Hamas members. These two targets would have been eliminated.
'A tragedy' "Despite our utmost efforts to spare citizens, a tragic mistake happened last night," the AP news agency quoted the prime minister as saying. He says that the bottom stone will be uncovered, "because that is our policy". Netanyahu: “For us it is a tragedy, but for Hamas it is a strategy.” Israel keeps repeating that Hamas uses civilians as living shields.
At least 45 people have been killed in the fire at the camp for displaced Palestinians, according to Hamas-run Gaza authorities. The attack has been heavily condemned internationally. Israel is becoming increasingly isolated by ignoring the interim ruling of the International Court of Justice in The Hague. The ICJ has ordered Israel to halt the offensive.
Netanyahu insists he will continue until Hamas is defeated in Rafah. "I have no intention of stopping the war until all goals have been achieved. If we stop now, we will let terror win."
Rutte: horrible images The Netherlands is once again calling for a ceasefire in Gaza and the release of all hostages. On X, Rutte and outgoing Minister of Foreign Affairs Bruins Slot speak of "horrible" images from Rafah. Rutte calls on Israel to implement the ruling of the International Court of Justice, which Israel emphatically does not intend to do.
Last night's airstrike took place in Tel As Sultan, a refugee camp on the northwest side of Rafah:
Early in the war, the Israeli army first ordered civilians to leave the north of the Gaza Strip, and later the city of Khan Younis in the south. Rafah, including Tel As Sultan, was then, according to Israel, a safe zone where people had to go. More than a million Palestinians then fled to Rafah, where they largely lived in tent camps.
Three weeks ago, the Israeli army called on civilians to evacuate East Rafah and expanded that area to more central parts of Rafah a week later. People had to leave for a new humanitarian zone along the coast. The location of yesterday's Israeli attack is not in this evacuation zone nor in the new humanitarian zone.
'Game changer' In March, Rutte said it would be a " gamechanger " if Israel invaded Rafah on a large scale. The weeks-long ground operation by the Israeli army in the southernmost city of Gaza has not yet led to "a political moment that will have consequences", as Rutte explained the game-changer moment. Israel and the US claim it is a "limited" offensive. Satellite images show extensive destruction in the area.
The attack was terrible and a mistake but the Palestinians should look at October 7 they brought this on themselves and I hope Israel doesn't destroy them completely they could do it in no time.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
Re: Israel: 'State of war'
[Re: Hollander]
#1091067 05/28/2412:07 AM05/28/2412:07 AM
After an investigation IDF says it was not caused directly by Israeli rockets. But hey Hamas declared war on them and wars are always ugly release all the hostages and Israel will def calm down a bit.
The attack was terrible and a mistake but the Palestinians should look at October 7 they brought this on themselves and I hope Israel doesn't destroy them completely they could do it in no time.
they are not target at all ! trust me buddy we even help them with water, food and medicine if needed (if we meet them in field). trust me you don't wanna know what's going on you can look on your scope and witness and old lady with a hamas militant shooting at you behind her and putting his weapon on her shoulder to aim ! it's insane ! they know that their best weapon is to make their civilians killed and injured and then blame israel, that's their method ! they are pure evil !
we defend our people and they put theirs on the line to get killed !
I agree Meyer Israel is subdued/moderated/ mild in their actions so far, but in international political world they are accused of genocide and crimes against humanity that are the worst crimes.
Israel: war will continue for many months, three-quarters of the buffer zone in Egypt and Gaza The Israeli army controls 75 percent of the buffer zone between Egypt and Gaza, National Security Advisor Tzachi Hanegbi said. On the Palestinian side of this border, or in the Rafah area, there has been heavy fighting for weeks. Hanegbi expects the war in Gaza to last at least until the end of this year.
Israel started the controversial ground offensive against Hamas in Rafah by capturing the border crossing. It is clear that Israel controls the area around this border post. However, it is impossible to verify whether, as Hanegbi claims, the army actually has control over three-quarters of the 14-kilometer-long border strip. Data from think tank Institute for the Study of War indicate that an Israeli operation is underway in roughly 75 percent of the buffer zone.
Extracts: As at May 2024 -- 143 of the 193 members of the United Nations General Assembly voted in favour of Palestine joining the UN, something only states can do.
Most of the Middle East, Africa and Asia recognise Palestinian statehood. However, the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea and many Western European states do not.
In 2011, despite Palestine’s failure to join the UN after campaigning for full membership, UNESCO granted the Palestinians full membership in the UN cultural agency, leading the US to defund the body.
In 2012, the General Assembly voted in favour of changing Palestine’s status to “non-member observer state”, and in 2015, the International Criminal Court recognised Palestine as a party.
The countries who have recognised Palestine this year 2024 in addition to Spain, Ireland and Norway are the Bahamas, Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica and Barbados.
In 2014 Sweden became the first country in Western Europe to recognise Palestine.
Extracts:
Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by Capri
Ireland, Norway and Spain to recognize Palestine as a state Should have waited until hostages released How many still alive
absurd having to negotiate with terrorist organization
Palestine is no state lol, not even close. I do agree they deserve a well led government.
Sure thing Palestine deserve an independent government but the timing to recognise Palestinian statehood -- However what are they recognising? as also questioned by US Senator for South Carolina Lindsey Graham
Some in International political world have condemned the recognition and labelled it as rewarding terrorism
and the hypocrisy of Spain -- when is Spain going to recognise Catalonia and Basque statehoods also Irish Christians reportedly do not support the recognition
South Africa should clean up their own backyard first instead of action against Israel Yet no mention at all of Hamas 07 October 2023 brutal atrocities
Well, the South African people have spoken! The incumbent African National Congress reportedly have lost their majority in the current election after 30 years
Slovenian government has approved recognising the Palestinian statehood pending Parliamentary approval, widely seen as just a formality
Extract: -- but the Palestinians should look at October 7 they brought this on themselves and I hope Israel doesn't destroy them completely they could do it in no time.
Originally Posted by Hollander
Extract: -- But hey Hamas declared war on them and wars are always ugly release all the hostages and Israel will def calm down a bit.
Originally Posted by Hollander
I agree Meyer Israel is subdued/moderated/ mild in their actions so far, but in international political world they are accused of genocide and crimes against humanity that are the worst crimes.
Israel seemingly is not the mighty and powerful it was -- among others, 1. fatal complacency 2. Mossad intelligence failure 3. asleep at the wheel 07 October 2023 4. still unable to locate the hostages How many are still alive -- sadly only retrieving bodies 5. unable to subdue / moderate / defeat Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis 6. war raging on -- coming to 8 months
It seems, Hamas has been gearing up for 16odd years in Israel's backyard Yet....
It is the innocent civilians indeed [as in other wars as well] Palestinian in particular between a rock and a hard place, paying the price
Terrorists Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis keep attacking Israel and counter attacks, more attacks but International law enforcement applies only to Israel
Some in International political world aggravating the Israel-Palestine situation by their ill-timed recognition of Palestine statehood, accusing Israel of genocide and crimes against humanity but little to no accountability of the terrorist organisations
No linking of Hamas' brutal atrocities of 07 October 2023
I reckon, Hamas has achieved, in a way succeeded in it's brutal way -- among others,
Palestine Statehood is actively trending on the International domain
more and more countries recognising Palestine Statehood
push for Palestine United Nations membership -- if not for US Veto
destabilise Israel's economy, political turmoil, civil unrest
'occupied' territories in the spotlight
settler violence in 'occupied' territories -- sanctions
pro-Palestinian demonstrations worldwide
antisemitism on the rise Disgraceful
Israel seemingly more and more isolated
Israel's allies' support seemingly dwindling -- with friends! like this....
Israel accused of genocide and crimes against humanity
Israel forced to negotiate with terrorists Hamas
International Court of Justice [ICJ] action against Israel
International Criminal Court [ICC] proceedings against Israel [without the principle of “complementarity”] Complementarity requires the ICC to let the nation in question's legal system move first before any action is taken by the Court
That 07 October 2023 Hamas could 1. infiltrate Israel's supposedly impenetrable Fort Knox security 2. enter Israel itself breaching all Israel's security barriers, measures in place, Iron Dome etc. 3. commit the brutal atrocities 4. kill over 1,100 people 5. destroy the “kibbutzim” including may have booby-trapped with explosives 6. then leave Israel with more than 200 hostages
All these without any detection at all. Hamas was long gone before Israel seemingly even had an inclination....
America and England have been unable to stop the Red Sea ship attacks which still continue
Extracts: As at May 2024 -- 143 of the 193 members of the United Nations General Assembly voted in favour of Palestine joining the UN, something only states can do.
Most of the Middle East, Africa and Asia recognise Palestinian statehood. However, the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea and many Western European states do not.
In 2011, despite Palestine’s failure to join the UN after campaigning for full membership, UNESCO granted the Palestinians full membership in the UN cultural agency, leading the US to defund the body.
In 2012, the General Assembly voted in favour of changing Palestine’s status to “non-member observer state”, and in 2015, the International Criminal Court recognised Palestine as a party.
The countries who have recognised Palestine this year 2024 in addition to Spain, Ireland and Norway are the Bahamas, Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica and Barbados.
In 2014 Sweden became the first country in Western Europe to recognise Palestine.
Extracts:
Originally Posted by Capri
Originally Posted by Hollander
Ireland, Norway and Spain to recognize Palestine as a state Should have waited until hostages released How many still alive
absurd having to negotiate with terrorist organization
Palestine is no state lol, not even close. I do agree they deserve a well led government.
Sure thing Palestine deserve an independent government but the timing to recognise Palestinian statehood -- However what are they recognising? as also questioned by US Senator for South Carolina Lindsey Graham
Some in International political world have condemned the recognition and labelled it as rewarding terrorism
and the hypocrisy of Spain -- when is Spain going to recognise Catalonia and Basque statehoods also Irish Christians reportedly do not support the recognition
South Africa should clean up their own backyard first instead of action against Israel Yet no mention at all of Hamas 07 October 2023 brutal atrocities
Well, the South African people have spoken! The incumbent African National Congress reportedly have lost their majority in the current election after 30 years
Slovenian government has approved recognising the Palestinian statehood pending Parliamentary approval, widely seen as just a formality
'''Sure thing Palestine deserve an independent government but the timing to recognise Palestinian statehood'' well they already had one, hamas ! which they elect in 2008 election in gaza.
Extract: -- but the Palestinians should look at October 7 they brought this on themselves and I hope Israel doesn't destroy them completely they could do it in no time.
Originally Posted by Hollander
Extract: -- But hey Hamas declared war on them and wars are always ugly release all the hostages and Israel will def calm down a bit.
Originally Posted by Hollander
I agree Meyer Israel is subdued/moderated/ mild in their actions so far, but in international political world they are accused of genocide and crimes against humanity that are the worst crimes.
Israel seemingly is not the mighty and powerful it was -- among others, 1. fatal complacency 2. Mossad intelligence failure 3. asleep at the wheel 07 October 2023 4. still unable to locate the hostages How many are still alive -- sadly only retrieving bodies 5. unable to subdue / moderate / defeat Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis 6. war raging on -- coming to 8 months
It seems, Hamas has been gearing up for 16odd years in Israel's backyard Yet....
It is the innocent civilians indeed [as in other wars as well] Palestinian in particular between a rock and a hard place, paying the price
Terrorists Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis keep attacking Israel and counter attacks, more attacks but International law enforcement applies only to Israel
Some in International political world aggravating the Israel-Palestine situation by their ill-timed recognition of Palestine statehood, accusing Israel of genocide and crimes against humanity but little to no accountability of the terrorist organisations
No linking of Hamas' brutal atrocities of 07 October 2023
well couple of things : first (2) mossad didn't fail at all because from the get go you cannot gather information in a place like gaza, where everyone know each other and any snitch will get himself and his family killed in torture way by hamas. (4) hamas metro is insane by the size of it and by how difficult it is to reach there. and guard who here idf forces coming by will kill the hostages he keep, so this is why they find bodies all the time (5) real war with hezollah will lead to the craziest situation for all, israel will go back 50 years, and lebanon will go back 1000 years because of the mass destruction that going to happen in case of real escaltion that lead to real war. houthis are far away. hamas are more then half destroyed, gaza in 70% in the control of israel hands now. this is not an easy war, the world ties israel hands and watch everystep of the way to stop israel from giving it 100% force power.
as for the ''No linking of Hamas' brutal atrocities of 07 October 2023'' as someone who saw it by his own eyes (i was there fought against them, you can also go back and read the posts i posted here in real time live from there in that crazy and horrible morning) it's just shows that as much as i hate jewish people constant complains about 'antisemitism', now i just see how much it's true these last couple of months. no other country in the world would react like we did since the 7.10 ! us will wipe mexico off the planet if they did something like that ! and that goes to every other country in the world ! we are not even 1% of the world population, our country land is maybe one of the smallest in the world, yet somehow we are the most hatred and everyone is against us wanting to erase us from earth and wanting hitler's plan to be back and completed ! it's insane !!!!
this all war is not a wat about land. it's islam cannot deal with jewish people have their own country and don't live under islam. this is why no 2 states solution will never work, because we are not talking about land or ideology, it's a religious conflict. and this war is not - israel vs hamas, it's iran who's behind it. hamas is an iranian proxy.
'''Sure thing Palestine deserve an independent government but the timing to recognise Palestinian statehood'' well they already had one, hamas ! which they elect in 2008 election in gaza.
Yes in 2006 Legislative elections were held in the Palestinian territories on 25 January 2006 in order to elect the second Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC).
All 132 seats in the Palestinian Legislative Council 67 seats needed for a majority
Israel is exploring an alternative to Hamas running Gaza Israeli Defense Minister Gallant says the army leadership is looking for an alternative to Hamas' rule of Gaza. This should take over control of Gaza from Hamas during the process towards a permanent ceasefire.
In the meantime, Israel continues to seek the complete destruction of Hamas. “We isolate an area, take the Hamas people out of there and install forces there that can form an alternative government,” Gallant said. He did not say what forces those might be.
President Biden presented the outlines of a route to a permanent ceasefire in Gaza on Friday. Hamas has been in power in Gaza since 2007.There is no indication that it wants to give up its power and surrender its will.
first (2) mossad didn't fail at all because from the get go you cannot gather information in a place like gaza, where everyone know each other and any snitch will get himself and his family killed in torture way by hamas.
Nevertheless....
covert operations are indeed dangerous and never easy but part and parcel of Mossad to gather information any which way and perform operations to keep Israel safe from terrorist groups -- not letting Hamas take Israel by surprise
Israel seemingly was totally in the dark of Hamas 07 October 2023 brutal carnage on Israeli soil and leaving with hostages without any detection at all
Hamas was long gone before Israel seemingly even had an inclination....
Originally Posted by Lana
4. still unable to locate the hostages How many are still alive -- sadly only retrieving bodies
Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
(4) hamas metro is insane by the size of it and by how difficult it is to reach there. and guard who here idf forces coming by will kill the hostages he keep, so this is why they find bodies all the time
Whilst we are not privy to what's going on behind the scenes....
04 July 1976 Israeli forces conducted one of the most successful military operations in the nation's history, to rescue civilian hostages held by terrorists at the Entebbe Airport in Uganda
(5) real war with hezollah will lead to the craziest situation for all, israel will go back 50 years, and lebanon will go back 1000 years because of the mass destruction that going to happen in case of real escaltion that lead to real war. houthis are far away. hamas are more then half destroyed, gaza in 70% in the control of israel hands now. this is not an easy war, the world ties israel hands and watch everystep of the way to stop israel from giving it 100% force power.
I acknowledge the escalation leading to.... even World War 3 but I am still struggling to fathom That 07 October 2023 Hamas could.... Hamas' butchery on Israeli soil and leaving with hostages without any detection at all
How did these terrorist organisations, proxied or not -- ever get so far? get so lethal -- gearing up for so long Then again, Taliban came back bigger and more lethal after over 20 years in exile
Originally Posted by Lana
America and England have been unable to stop the Red Sea ship attacks which still continue
It seems, Hamas has been gearing up for 16odd years in Israel's backyard Yet....
Terrorists Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis keep attacking Israel and counter attacks, more attacks but International law enforcement applies only to Israel
Some in International political world aggravating the Israel-Palestine situation by their ill-timed recognition of Palestine statehood, accusing Israel of genocide and crimes against humanity but little to no accountability of the terrorist organisations
No linking of Hamas' brutal atrocities of 07 October 2023
Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
as for the ''No linking of Hamas' brutal atrocities of 07 October 2023'' as someone who saw it by his own eyes (i was there fought against them, you can also go back and read the posts i posted here in real time live from there in that crazy and horrible morning) it's just shows that as much as i hate jewish people constant complains about 'antisemitism', now i just see how much it's true these last couple of months. no other country in the world would react like we did since the 7.10 ! us will wipe mexico off the planet if they did something like that ! and that goes to every other country in the world ! we are not even 1% of the world population, our country land is maybe one of the smallest in the world, yet somehow we are the most hatred and everyone is against us wanting to erase us from earth and wanting hitler's plan to be back and completed ! it's insane !!!!
this all war is not a wat about land. it's islam cannot deal with jewish people have their own country and don't live under islam. this is why no 2 states solution will never work, because we are not talking about land or ideology, it's a religious conflict. and this war is not - israel vs hamas, it's iran who's behind it. hamas is an iranian proxy.
US did try to wipe Afghanistan off the planet after the 9/11 plane bombing of the World Trade centre twin towers
You are not wrong. Middle East does want it to be 100% Muslim
Most of the -- more often than not -- violent pro-Palestinian demonstrators even some non-Palestinians seem to be advocating for the annihilation of Israel Disgraceful indeed instead of a peaceful solution including the release of all the remaining hostages
Irwin Cotler, former Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada -- coined the term "genocidal antisemitism" to describe public calls and incitements advocating for Israel's destruction and endorsing acts of terror to achieve this goal
also haven't seen any of the 50odd Muslim countries offering refuge and taking in any Palestinians They all shut their borders real quick
Sure thing Palestine deserve an *independent government but the timing to recognise Palestinian statehood -- However what are they recognising?
Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
well they already had one, hamas ! which they elect in 2008 election in gaza.
Originally Posted by Hollander
Yes in 2006 Legislative elections were held in the Palestinian territories on 25 January 2006 in order to elect the second Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC).
All 132 seats in the Palestinian Legislative Council 67 seats needed for a majority
For clarity: *independent of Hamas -- government ie: currently ruled by terror not by democratically elected government
Palestinian civilians are between a rock and a hard place. I doubt they voted for Hamas. Hamas win was already in the bag even before the polling booths opened! also Maths doesn't add up? 44.45% of 132 seats is 58? Rigged!
I reckon, majority just wants to live in freedom, peace and security
Extract: hamas are more then half destroyed, gaza in 70% in the control of israel hands now.
Originally Posted by Hollander
Israel is exploring an alternative to Hamas running Gaza Israeli Defense Minister Gallant says the army leadership is looking for an alternative to Hamas' rule of Gaza. This should take over control of Gaza from Hamas during the process towards a permanent ceasefire.
In the meantime, Israel continues to seek the complete destruction of Hamas. “We isolate an area, take the Hamas people out of there and install forces there that can form an alternative government,” Gallant said. He did not say what forces those might be.
President Biden presented the outlines of a route to a permanent ceasefire in Gaza on Friday. Hamas has been in power in Gaza since 2007.There is no indication that it wants to give up its power and surrender its will.
as someone who saw it by his own eyes (i was there fought against them, you can also go back and read the posts i posted here in real time live from there in that crazy and horrible morning)
You were fighting against them still posting in real time live from there
this is not an easy war, the world ties israel hands and watch everystep of the way to stop israel from giving it 100% force power. but little to no accountability of the terrorist organisations
absurd having to negotiate with terrorist organization
Re: Israel: 'State of war'
[Re: Capri]
#1091597 06/04/2408:42 AM06/04/2408:42 AM
this is not an easy war, the world ties israel hands and watch everystep of the way to stop israel from giving it 100% force power. but little to no accountability of the terrorist organisations
absurd having to negotiate with terrorist organization
Even we all know they are very corrupt Farouk Kaddoumi and secular Fatah are always a better choice for the Palestinians.
I do believe the west has to stop to intevene in Muslim Countries they are not ready to democracy those people do not want freedom. They are happy with dictators, warlords and religious leaders.
I do believe the west has to stop to intevene in Muslim Countries they are not ready to democracy those people do not want freedom. They are happy with dictators, warlords and religious leaders.
The West need to look after our own and our allies
I too reckon, majority just wants to live in freedom, peace and security without dictators, warlords and religious leaders.
Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the plan for the Oct. 7 attack. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.
Interesting -- I remember on the news Mossad's failure dubbed as Israel's 9/11 Israel slippin'
The intelligence chief of Israel's Defense Forces has resigned, citing failures linked to the Hamas terror attack carried out on Oct. 7. “On Saturday, October 7, 2023, Hamas carried out a murderous surprise attack against the State of Israel, whose consequences are severe and painful
don't know Israel can subdue / moderate / defeat Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis -- Proxied or not Guerilla warfare is not an easy war especially when International law enforcement is applied only to Israel
True No linking of Hamas' brutal atrocities and little to no accountability of the terrorist organisations absurd having to negotiate with terrorist organization
i don't have a lot of time to write i'm so busy and maybe soon a war with lebanon will break. but i still don't understand why people here write ''mossad faliure'' yet i explained that they have nothing to do with gaza... no one from israel can got there ! no one ! this is a small place where everyone know each other and they hate jews more then they love life ! any outsider who can inside rafah border from egypt is a total stranger there. so again no mossad agent can go near there or get any information from them. it's a small place with little amount of people and no outsider can go there.
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