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Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves
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06/10/24 12:06 AM
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The Last WoltzI think one of the themes of the Trilogy (and GFII in particular) is people lying to themselves They were all wrong and they were all doomed to suffer a violent death or the violent death of those closest to them - Michael believes he can become legitimate while running the nation's top Mafia Family
- Kay tells herself that the Family will be legitimate within 5 years
- Roth thinks he can rule his empire forever
- And Fredo tells himself that he can take sides against the Family and somehow end up more powerful and respected
Kangaroo Don- Vito believes his no to Sollozzo drug deal and then sending Luca over to Tattaglias will find what they have under their fingernails
- Vito believes after the Baptism, Moe Greene, Carlo murders Michael can live a 'legitimate' life
- Woltz acts he is bigger than the Corleones and wakes up with his prized horse Khartoum's head
- Greene thinks he can slap a Corleone around, insult another Corleone and somehow keep the hotel
- Carlo thinks he can lure Sonny to his murder and somehow end up as Michael's right hand man in Nevada
- Turncoat Tessio believes he can set his Don up to be murdered and another Don will embrace him into their family
- Geary thinks he can insult, squeeze the Top Mafia Don for 250,000 dollars Plus a monthly payment of 5% of the gross of all four hotels -- and Mr. Corleone will just pay up and keep paying
EvitaKay thinks she can abort their unborn son and somehow he'd let her take the children from him
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Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves
[Re: Evita]
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06/15/24 12:04 AM
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In fairness to Michael, Roth was stringing Michael along among others “gifting” their Hotel and pretending “to go along” with Michael moving Klingman out instead if Roth had been honest perhaps Michael and Roth could have worked out some mutually beneficial arrangement
As regards Roth's Havana business, I believe Michael understood that whilst Michael was Roth's successor, the heir apparent, Roth was always going to hold onto his Havana empire until Roth's retirement or death and at that time, Michael would inherit Roth's interests in the Havana operation but we all know Roth was somehow going to rule his empire forever!
Then both Michael and Roth could live happily for a hundred years! Nobody any the wiser
Michael, his "legitimate" life, decent American, gambling mogul, public Benefactor and Roth, the average neighbour, harmless old man, his carefully cultivated reputation as a retired investor on a pension intact
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Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves
[Re: Kangaroo Don]
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06/16/24 12:03 AM
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- Connie thinks she can see her children on weekends, fly around the world with men who don't even care about her and use her like a whore! and Michael somehow would fund her junket on The Queen with her latest husband to be....
- Merle thinks his 'future' brother-in-law Michael would fund Merle's freeloading extravagant Lifestyle with his sister
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Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves
[Re: Capri]
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Michael: Now -- I don't know this Merle -- I don't know what he does -- I don't know what he lives on [I do!] Now why don't you tell him that marriage is out of the question and you don't want to see him anymore. Now he'll understand, believe me. Connie -- if you don't listen to me -- and marry this man -- you'll disappoint me The way Michael totally ignored Merle as if Merle wasn't even there.... Merle and Connie holding hands would sway?! Michael to pay their passage on The Queen Merle so used to living off women [or his 'future' brother-in-law] just sits through it all.... shameless then again Merle's got to be -- thick-skinned -- in his line of work! Only Michael Corleone can make “you'll disappoint me” sound menacing
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