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Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves #1092063
06/10/24 12:06 AM
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The Last Woltz
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I think one of the themes of the Trilogy (and GFII in particular) is people lying to themselves
They were all wrong and they were all doomed to suffer a violent death or the violent death of those closest to them

  • Michael believes he can become legitimate while running the nation's top Mafia Family
  • Kay tells herself that the Family will be legitimate within 5 years
  • Roth thinks he can rule his empire forever
  • And Fredo tells himself that he can take sides against the Family and somehow end up more powerful and respected

Kangaroo Don
  • Vito believes his no to Sollozzo drug deal and then sending Luca over to Tattaglias will find what they have under their fingernails
  • Vito believes after the Baptism, Moe Greene, Carlo murders Michael can live a 'legitimate' life
  • Woltz acts he is bigger than the Corleones and wakes up with his prized horse Khartoum's head
  • Greene thinks he can slap a Corleone around, insult another Corleone and somehow keep the hotel
  • Carlo thinks he can lure Sonny to his murder and somehow end up as Michael's right hand man in Nevada
  • Turncoat Tessio believes he can set his Don up to be murdered and another Don will embrace him into their family
  • Geary thinks he can insult, squeeze the Top Mafia Don for 250,000 dollars Plus a monthly payment of 5% of the gross of all four hotels -- and Mr. Corleone will just pay up and keep paying

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Kay thinks she can abort their unborn son and somehow he'd let her take the children from him

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1092116
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I reckon, the biggest lying to themselves were the women Biggest Hypocrites

They knew exactly what their husband's business was that their rich and privileged life was funded by tainted money from other people's blood, misery and murder

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Evita] #1092123
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You are not wrong!

Roth's wife, Marcia blissfully and conveniently ignorant! of her husband's business
Where and how did Marcia think her retired investor on a pension, husband accumulate $300 million in his 'pension' silk purse

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1092272
06/13/24 03:03 AM
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tuna sandwich lunch That's how lol

Roth don't like violence, He is a business man. Blood is a big expense.

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Capri] #1092388
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True. Tahoe shooting was his first ever violence. Looks like they were hired out of Rosato brothers crew

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Evita] #1092404
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In fairness to Michael, Roth was stringing Michael along among others “gifting” their Hotel and pretending “to go along” with Michael moving Klingman out instead if Roth had been honest perhaps Michael and Roth could have worked out some mutually beneficial arrangement

As regards Roth's Havana business, I believe Michael understood that whilst Michael was Roth's successor, the heir apparent, Roth was always going to hold onto his Havana empire until Roth's retirement or death and at that time, Michael would inherit Roth's interests in the Havana operation but we all know Roth was somehow going to rule his empire forever!

Then both Michael and Roth could live happily for a hundred years! Nobody any the wiser

Michael, his "legitimate" life, decent American, gambling mogul, public Benefactor and Roth, the average neighbour, harmless old man, his carefully cultivated reputation as a retired investor on a pension intact

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1092460
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Michael overestimated -- He acts like I'm his son his successor the heir apparent and underestimated Roth

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Evita] #1092461
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Sure thing Michael's greed, nearly undone himself with Roth believing Roth that Michael was Roth's successor, the heir apparent, their father-son alliance -- blinded until Michael survived the Tahoe bedroom shooting

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1092462
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  • Connie thinks she can see her children on weekends, fly around the world with men who don't even care about her and use her like a whore! and Michael somehow would fund her junket on The Queen with her latest husband to be....
  • Merle thinks his 'future' brother-in-law Michael would fund Merle's freeloading extravagant Lifestyle with his sister

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1092470
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It concerns me, too. Is it okay, Mike, if I stay? his passage on The Queen rolleyes

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1092471
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Vito we're not murderers uhwhat


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