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Re: Al Capone [Re: CNote] #1091512
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Originally Posted by CNote
Good point Dutch. I wonder if it's something someone can do on Chat GPT for the forum. I've attempted some artwork but I'm still lagging behind.


Yes that would be great Maranzano is still an enigma, He had strong connections to Chicago, but he wasn't long in the US he came after WWI.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
Nope TD.

One thing stands out to me with Capone with al the violence going on he was a master spin doctor.
He was a master of 'spinning', long before that concept existed, a clever manipulator who could think off the cuff and usually knew exactly what he wanted to say and what not.

The first time he attempted to directly influence public opinion was in January 1927, shortly after the body of Theodore "Tony the Greek" Anton was found. Anton had been tortured, frozen and dumped to such an extent that it was supposed to serve as a warning that the murderers could go about their business with impunity if they wanted. Several days later and without referring to Anton, Al Capone held a special press conference. The special thing about it was that he did not let the journalists come to his headquarters in the hotel, but invited them to his house on Prairie Avenue. There he received them in slippers and dressed in a pink apron(!), waving the large wooden spoon with which he had been stirring his mother's spaghetti sauce (not homemade because he liked to eat but hated cooking). He treated them to a meal in the dining room, consisting of all kinds of dishes prepared by Teresa, and accompanied by a good red wine (which of course they did not mention in their articles about the good, kind and happy family man that he was). The press conference temporarily had the calming effect it intended: in their articles about the gang wars, the journalists casually noted how much Al Capone regretted the violence.


Later ill post some additional stuff regarding Chicagos pre-Prohibition era Dutch racketeers, although Ill need some help from you regarding the Dutch names.

Regarding Capone...if you ask me there was one "small" difference between leaders like Colosimo and Torrio, and the younger ones like Capone. They all literally inherited many lucrative operations and connections from their "predecessors" or allies from the former Irish or multi-ethnic mob, mostly in a peaceful way, but the difference was that the old guys like Torrio trusted all of their so-called loyalists probably too much. For example, Colosimo was probably killed by his own loyalists, while Torrio was almost killed allegedly by other former loyalists who in turn previously betrayed him to the cops, an action which resulted with Torrio killing their leader. On the other hand, Capone already knew this and chose his loyalists carefully and eliminated everyone in quite violent style, which was used to send message to the rest of their rivals. And as you already know, during those days, besides the Italian CN and Camorra, there were numerous other clans and so someone needed to place them in line under one top administration. And so thats how Capone's (multi-ethnic) Outfit was born with the Italian brotherhood at the top, meaning the bloodbath was inevitable. According to some sources, Capone allegedly was convincing other Midwest Italian bosses to do the same thing (hence Milton Rockman in Cleveland and the Purple gang in Detroit). Thats why I always say that the Chicago group was "slightly" unique then the rest of the Italian families, since the Chi boys worked with everyone and almost "breached" the limits between the Italian brotherhood and their trusted non-Italian associates. Or as Outfit non-Ital leader Murray Humphreys once said "I remember how it used to be in the old days, with us, when Al (Capone) used to run us guys all over. We trusted each other, see?!", followed by Ferraro's legendary statement "This is all one clique"., meaning both Itals and non-Itals belonged to the same crime syndicate.

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Re: Al Capone [Re: Hollander] #1091531
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Originally Posted by Hollander
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Good point Dutch. I wonder if it's something someone can do on Chat GPT for the forum. I've attempted some artwork but I'm still lagging behind.


Yes that would be great Maranzano is still an enigma, He had strong connections to Chicago, but he wasn't long in the US he came after WWI.


I located this supposedly AI generated sketch of Maranzano off this website.
https://mafiahistory.us/maf-who.html#M
Apparently this site is supported by Informer Magazine, which has provided some well researched information previously.
Allegedly, Maranzano was sent over to the US by Vito Cascio Ferro, and arrived in Canada and entered the the US through the northern border. There's a wide variety of possible entry dates listed from 1918 to 1925, although there's no independent corroboration of exactly when he entered.
I have also attached a video about the many inaccurate images of Maranzano.

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Re: Al Capone [Re: British] #1091532
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Yes, thats not Maranzano. It was debunked by Rick and many other researchers and I think its some old singer or actor. I made the same mistake years ago.


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Re: Al Capone [Re: British] #1091536
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That isn't a historical image, it is one generated by AI from the murder scene images, commissioned by Informer Magazine.
"For the July 2009 issue, Informer attempted to blend the crime scene photos and sketch into an image of the living Maranzano. But there was no method of gauging the accuracy of the result."
https://mafiahistory.us/maf-b-ny.html

The other two misidentified images of Maranzano are actually of Salvatore Messina (1), and more recently an image of German serial killer Peter Kurten (2) whom was misidentified in Piccola.


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Re: Al Capone [Re: British] #1091537
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Currently i cant find the original pic and you can ask the guys and theyll also tell you that the original pic is from some singer or actor, I dont remember. I also think that the Informer guys apologized regarding the mistake, or something like that...maybe im mixing some details since it was long time ago...brw, what about D'Aquila's pic?


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Don't take my word for it. Here's an
episode from OC Shortz confirming that the original image I posted is an AI generated image commissioned by Informer magazine.

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Shortz's video is from 3 years ago, while Im telling you what people found out more then 5 or 6 years ago when I made some of my old charts, I made a mistake by placing the so-called "AI" pic (although i think there still wasnt any AI at the time), and I was instantly corrected by other posters with the same pic but from an actual different individual, obviously not Maranzano. Ask Rick and i think he'll tell you the same thing.


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I don't know "Rick". Following your point, why would Informer magazine claim to be the originator of the image, and that its accuracy isn't clear? The image doesn't really match his murder scene images either so I really wouldn't say it's an original image, but I could see where it may be a computer assisted image vaguely resembling what little we can see of his face in the murder scene. I'm trying to be as objective as possible.

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Im not going against your word since Im telling you like it is. In plane words, the pic is a fraud and its "computer assisted" from an actual historical individual (again, actor or singer) with a bow tie and tux, and think there were long stairs behind him or something like that.


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In 1921, one of Chicago "less known" gambling racketeers Harry Romaine aka Romain died of natural causes. Romain was quite rich mobster who belonged to the old syndicate that was ruled by Mike McDonald, Harry Varnell and John Condon, and also had close ties to both Colosimo and Torrio...

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/97400773/james_harold_romain

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I just received a response from Informer Magazine. I'm not here to start shit with anybody, but facts are facts.

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The only way to get a photo of him is to get in touch with his relatives Angela Domingo was/is the wife of Mariano Maranzano, Salvatore's son. Her nephew current regent of Castellammare.


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The guy says that he doesnt have first clue on how Maranzano looked like and this is just a guess. The pic you posted from Maranzano doesnt have stairs behind him, its deformed and doesnt have a darker shadow on the right eye, but what about this one? This means there are two different pics floating around right? And the one Im posting it to you right now is more realistic then the previous one right?

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I don't see where because the images are different, the predecessor can be determined. I'm only the messenger, Mr. Thomas Hunt, author, editor and publisher of Informer magazine is the one claiming to have created the image, not me. If you disagree, hey more power to you, it's of no consequence to me really. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of the rabbit hole so I can move on to the next one.

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Same here buddy and believe me together we solved the "mystery" that there are two different pics, with one possibly being the original, followed by the "computer" version. But one question still remains, meaning whether the "original" one was also "computer assissted" with more professional and artistic skills? I personally doubt it but still...


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From 1939....

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Maddox aka Moore, Robert Ansani and Joey Aiuppa were allegedly pallbearers at Capone's funeral...

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Aiuppa's father Simone “Sam” Aiuppa.

https://nl.findagrave.com/memorial/210521791/simone_aiuppa

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NY Mafia witnessed the burial !!!

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Where's Jace?

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Originally Posted by MafiaStudent
Where's Jace?



Yes?

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Where is Hoffa?

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Aiuppa's father Simone “Sam” Aiuppa.

https://nl.findagrave.com/memorial/210521791/simone_aiuppa

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Just one Question how can Frakie Yale be Considered a Camorrista if he was Calabrese that would make him a NGRANGHETA ?

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Originally Posted by Butchie1788
Just one Question how can Frakie Yale be Considered a Camorrista if he was Calabrese that would make him a NGRANGHETA ?


Yes his roots were 'ndrangheta also the roots of Giacomo Colosimo, Umberto Anastasia, Francesco Castiglia, Vic Cotroni, Paul Violi, Nicodemo Scarfo and others..

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So why do people Label him a Camorrista ? thats like calling a Camorrista a Siciian and what would a Sacra Corona Unita be Called ?

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When the 'Ndrangheta discovered America. 1880-1956. From Santo Stefano d'Aspromonte to New York, a story of business, crime and politics Hardcover – 30 May 2019
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Archaic and ragged, dedicated to oppression and abuse, the Calabrian Picciotteria of the late nineteenth century seemed destined to remain anchored to the myths, rites and codes of behavior born in the Bourbon prisons modeled on those of the secret societies of the Risorgimento. And instead, right then, a silent revolution begins that will transform its rural face into the entrepreneurial one of today's 'ndrangheta, an unscrupulous and ruthless multinational crime corporation, capable of adapting to the changing challenges of the global market. What triggered this metamorphosis at the turn of the two centuries was the "discovery" of America. Having landed in the New World together with tens of thousands of honest labourers, the Calabrian "maffiosi", unlike their less astute Sicilian and Campanian brothers, choose a low profile to reconstitute their underworld network, made up of leaders, henchmen and legends (above all , that of the "brigand" Musolino), who makes lavish profits at the expense of Italian workers (such as the miners of Carbondale, Pennsylvania) and of hundreds of young immigrants induced into prostitution in the resorts of Manhattan and Chicago, before holding the ranks of the clandestine trade in alcohol and drug trafficking. Thus was born the 'Ndrangheta, an overseas entrepreneur, who shakes hands, stipulates agreements and manages to infiltrate the sancta sanctorum of the social elite. To the point of casting his shadow heavily on the scene of the Petrosino crime. Once back in Calabria, it will be the "Americans" who will impose the new criminal strategy on the organization (control of the territory and collusion with politics and institutions), starting that process which, in a few decades, will make the 'ndrangheta one of the most powerful mafias and pervasive in the world. After extensive research conducted on a vast amount of documents, Antonio Nicaso, Maria Barillà and Vittorio Amaddeo reconstruct the history of this criminal mutation of the 'Ndrangheta on American soil. Foreword by Nicola Gratteri.


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So why do people Label him a Camorrista ? thats like calling a Camorrista a Siciian and what would a Sacra Corona Unita be Called ?


At the time they were often being referred to as the picciotteria, onorata società (honoured society), 'ndrina, Famiglia Montalbano, fibbia, or even camorra.

The Picciotteria, as the Calabrian 'Ndrangheta was called in its infancy, was first noted in an official government document on 15 May 1892. The associates were described as people of a bold and haughty behavior. Exuding an arrogance that dominated their thuggish countenances, these picciotti spoke in jargon, were bandits and outlaws, who carried themselves in a very distinctive fashion, in dress and in manner. Most had tattoos, which in those days were considered a sign of primitive instincts. Anti-social and prone to violence, they would enter a cantina, eat and drink, terrorize the owner and patrons, and exit without paying. A more Italian term for such individuals was Bravi, going back at least to the 1700s and earlier. (The Bravi were bandits under the control of signoritti di campagna, country land owners.)The original meaning of picciotti is boys. Another is members of the Picciotteria. (The word was used in other contexts, one being the military.)


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Thanks to Toodoped for that pice above on Harry Romaine, that is real old school. 1890's gangsters are to me, more interesting than the ones who came after them.

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So what’s the Point exactly why Calabrians were connected to the Camorra and why did the Sacra Corona Unita was giving a a Blessing by Raffaelle Cutolo Boss of the Camorra in prison to Let the Barese to start there own Family it looks like Calabrians and Barese people are Connectes by Blood Lines and Culture to Neapolitans but the Confusion is that in North and Central Calabria they speak the Neapolitan Dialect and in Southern Calabria they speak the Sicilian Dialect and in Apulia which Bari is the same thing with the Neapolitan Dialect in the North and Central regions and in Southern Apulia they Speak Sicilian a lot of Convolution

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