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Re: Israel: 'State of war' [Re: Hollander] #1092950
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Germany and Austria
Prior to the First Crusade, thousands of Jews were murdered in Rhineland cities in 1096, because crusaders (Germans and French (East and West Franks), Lowlanders and English) believed they had to start the fight against the 'infidels' there before the " Saracens " to war in the Holy Land . [35] This so-called German crusade of 1096 went down in history as the first major persecution of Jews .


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Re: Israel: 'State of war' [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1092960
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Originally Posted by Kangaroo Don
I see it differently -- rightly or wrongly....

It pains me as well that this Israel-Hamas war is raging on, coming to 9 months
I truly expected it sorted -- Israeli victory, in no time

  • US warnings against Hamas not only have not deterred Hamas in any way but keep escalating
  • US warnings to Hezbollah will be no different
  • and who is Lebanon going to listen -- Hezbollah or US

Action! please. Israel is the Hunted one. I reckon, US [and allies] can and should help Israel win this war, Now! Sooner

Difficult not impossible if
Originally Posted by Kangaroo Don
Israel's allies aid, back, help, support Israel unconditionally, standing shoulder to shoulder, to protect Israeli people and Israeli territorial integrity together including boots on the ground [even if unofficial] fighting alongside IDF

Real worry -- Israel is defending not winning and Time is running out. Israel cannot keep defending needs to win but cannot do it on its own. Israel-Hamas continues to be a long, bloodied, brutal war because Israel's mighty and powerful allies -- have not stepped up

Sure thing tactical as in any war More so in terrorism “brutal, monstrous, violent Guerilla warfare”
also US and allies will not be in enemy, hostile territory like Afghanistan, Iraq

We need to step up Action! Now! Sooner -- enough with the warnings, endless visits and talks while the terrorist organisations are openly and violently calling for the annihilation of Israel

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Israeli soldiers caught strapping a wounded Palestinian man to the front of their vehicle during a raid in the West Bank city of Jenin.
If true -- Israel is not doing themselves any favors

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Israeli soldiers drove with wounded Palestinian tied to their vehicle
ABC Australia By Middle East correspondent Eric Tlozek 23 June 2024
The Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) is the national broadcaster of Australia

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  • In short:
    The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) tied a wounded Palestinian to their vehicle and drove him through the West Bank city of Jenin.
  • The IDF claim terrorists opened fire at troops and say one of the suspects was injured and apprehended
  • What's next?
    The Israeli military says its soldiers violated orders and the incident will be investigated and dealt with accordingly.

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UNRWA is sued by Israeli victims of Oct. 7 Hamas attack
Over $1 billion from UNRWA's New York bank account in Manhattan was involved in allegedly benefiting the U.S.designated terrorist organization Hamas, the lawsuit noted.

Why is there a separate United Nations Relief and Works Agency -- exclusively -- for Palestine Refugees UNRWA when all the other refugees worldwide are aided by one main Agency, United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees UNHCR

pump billions of dollars into UNRWA but no audits

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?United? antisemitism? Nations

FACT SHEET: the UN Secretary General's decision to "blacklist" the IDF

Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Israel. Publish Date: 11 June 2024

Guterres' decision [to blacklist IDF] follows a worrisome trend in his handling of antisemitism as UN Secretary General.

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Originally Posted by Hollander


My man Geert is absolutely correct. Islam is ridiculous


But you had to play it cool, had to do it your way
Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away
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I see it differently -- rightly or wrongly....

It is their own convenient interpretations of the Qur'an by some Imams, Ayatollahs and other religious / political leaders as suit them, projecting 'Jihadist' ideologues, claiming their battle is waged in the service of God: love what God loves and hate what God hates
No God of any religion hates anyone or anything. Every God preaches only Love and Peace

These religious / political leaders are brain-washing and radicalizing their followers. Gross abuse of their 'power'
Unfortunately, these brain-washed and indoctrinated people then follow this propaganda, hate-filled teachings, blindly and literally perhaps as intended

No God of any religion advocates, among others [in no particular order]
1. Violence endless violence
2. murders -- Go and kill
3. indiscriminate bombings, destruction
4. untold suffering
5. abhorrent punishment
6. Treatment of women as inferior human beings
7. ever-escalating cycle of antisemitism, terrorism
8. hatred of an entire race
9. taking of hostages
10. annihilation of an entire nation

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Originally Posted by Giacalone
Originally Posted by Hollander


My man Geert is absolutely correct. Islam is ridiculous


Islam never went through enlightenment like other religions.

NOS Teletext 128 Concern about war in Lebanon is growing

The US has urged its citizens to travel to Lebanon to "reconsider" because of the threat of armed conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. France says it is "extremely concerned" and calls on both sides to exercise restraint.
Israeli Defense Minister Gallant said last night in Washington that he is not looking for war, but that his army could bomb Lebanon "back to the Stone Age".
The Israeli army has been training for a confrontation with Hezbollah on the border with Lebanon this week.
Training included advancing along "a mountainous route".


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Originally Posted by Hollander
Islam never went through enlightenment like other religions.
confused

some past and present violence
1. persecution of Rohingya Muslims in Buddhist Myanmar
2. Hindus and Muslims in Hindu India
3. Catholics and Protestants in Christian Northern Ireland
4. Buddhist riots against Hindus in Buddhist Sri Lanka

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True. Ethnic cleansing, Religious cleansing, Genocide, Rape, Persecution also happen in other religions perhaps not to this extreme

Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and other terrorists are Islamists and Jihadists
They spread their hateful 'Jihadist' ideologues and violence, aided and abetted by some Imams, Ayatollahs and other religious / political leaders with their propaganda, hate-filled teachings as suit them

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The biggest Islamic country in the world is Indonesia and Indonesian Muslims are widely seen as stronghold of tolerance and moderation. But there will always some kind of adversity between Islam and the West. Western civilization has been influenced by the Enlightenment and has a history of violence inscribed in its ideas.

For Muslims IN the West it's different they don't live in an Islamic country.

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My two cents worth!
Therein lies the problem...

I reckon, some perhaps most Immigrant Muslims in the West, want to live as in an Islamic country they chose to leave behind -- enjoying everything the West offers, all the Western benefits, perks, better living conditions and the Lifestyle including Freedom to demonstrate etc. but don't assimilate, don't embrace our values, responsibilities and obligations of the Western country they chose to live in even scant respect and regard for our law enforcement -- biting the hand that feeds them

Prime example:
1. violent pro-Palestinian demonstrations
2. destruction, disruption, vandalism
3. destabilization of economy, political turmoil, civil unrest
4. disgraceful antisemitism IN Israel's Western allies their chosen Home who are not against Palestinians

Support the country they chose to live in, be loyal or go and live in the country they support

If it was the other way around we have to comply with their everything including their dress code -- that is... if we are allowed in! Will we be allowed to build a Church?

Just one of the examples -- Public practice of any religion other than Islam is prohibited, in Saudi Arabia

Our governments let it happen -- it is all about diversity, their religion, their culture, their heritage -- ours get pushed farther and further away being obliterated

war raging on 9 months but it seems the Muslim countries backing the terrorists who are openly and violently calling for the annihilation of Israel and dictating how Israel should just lay down and roll over while Israel's Western allies are sitting on their hands, full of nothing but hollow words -- enough with warnings, endless visits and talks Action! Now!

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Don't forget the Saudis and Iraelis were VERY close to a historic peace agreement.

A member of Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi's delegation holds up a Torah scroll during a morning prayer service in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, October 3, 2023.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
Don't forget the Saudis and Iraelis were VERY close to a historic peace agreement.

It was touted as Israel on the cusp of historic peace with Saudi Arabia but stalled after October 7, 2023

There were 'flies in the ointment' though including Saudi Arabia's support for the establishment of a Palestinian state on the basis of pre-1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu continues to oppose the Palestinians’ right to a state of their own and therefore his country’s obligations toward the three-way deal.

US–Saudi negotiations have made headway but the Israel leg of this deal has fallen flat.

If no Saudi-Israeli normalization, the US Congress will not endorse a US–Saudi defence pact (the US Senate’s role in ratifying formal defence pacts between the US and foreign countries is indispensable) Indeed, in a rare moment of bipartisan consensus, Democrats and Republicans have agreed to move forward with a US–Saudi pact only if Saudi Arabia officially embraces Israel.

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The Israeli-Saudi pact will happen, but now is not the time, it would be the best for USA and Europe.


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An Israeli soldier has been killed and another seriously wounded in a stabbing attack on the second floor of the Hutzot Karmiel shopping Mall in the northern Israeli town of Karmiel, on Wednesday July 3, 2024

Police said the attacker, a resident of the nearby mainly Arab town of Nahaf, was shot dead at the scene by one of the victims.
They were treating the incident as a “suspected terror attack” and that a number of the attacker’s relatives had been detained.

There was no immediate claim from any group but Hamas said the attack was a “natural response” to what it called Israel’s “crimes” in Gaza and occupied West Bank. Palestinian Islamic Jihad called it a “heroic operation”

So the terrorists' terror operation is not crimes? -- Also the soldiers though in uniform were not in combat
How can one 'civilian' with a knife, stab two armed soldiers with guns -- kill one and seriously wound another

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He advocates improved ties with the West, we will see.



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Iran President-elect reaffirms policy towards Israel
July 08, 2024 Middle East Monitor MEM [Fatemeh Bahrami – Anadolu Agency]

President-elect, Masoud Pezeshkian, reaffirmed Iran’s anti-Israel stance on Monday, saying resistance movements across the region will not allow Israel’s “criminal policies” towards the Palestinians to continue Reuters reports.

“The Islamic Republic has always supported the resistance of the people of the region against the illegitimate Zionist regime,” Pezeshkian said in a message to Hassan Nasrallah, leader of the Lebanese Hezbollah group.

The comments signalled no change in the regional policies of the incoming government under the relatively moderate Pezeshkian who defeated his hard-line rival in last week’s runoff election.

“I am certain that the resistance movements in the region will not allow this regime to continue its warmongering and criminal policies against the oppressed people of Palestine and other nations of the region,” Iranian media quoted Pezeshkian as saying.

Shia Muslim Hezbollah and the Palestinian Sunni Muslim, Hamas, are part of a group of Iranian-backed factions in the region known as the Axis of Resistance.

Israel did not immediately comment on Pezeshkian’s remarks.

Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza began after the group that governs the Palestinian enclave led an attack on southern Israel on 7 October, killing 1,200 people and taking about 250 hostage, according to Israeli tallies.

However, since then, it has been revealed by Haaretz [an Israeli Newspaper] that helicopters and tanks of the Israeli army had, in fact, killed many of the 1,139 soldiers and civilians claimed by Israel to have been killed by the Palestinian Resistance.

More than 38,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel’s military offensive and nearly 88,000 have been wounded, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

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IDF Ordered Hannibal Directive on October 7, 2023 to Prevent Hamas Taking Soldiers Captive
July 07, 2024 Israeli Newspaper Haaretz By Yaniv Kubovich

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'There was crazy hysteria, and decisions started being made without verified information':
Documents and testimonies obtained by Haaretz reveal the Hannibal operational order, which directs the use of force to prevent soldiers being taken into captivity, was employed at three army facilities infiltrated by Hamas, potentially endangering civilians as well

Gaza Division operations and airstrikes in the first hours of October 7 were based on limited information.
The first long moments after the Hamas attack was launched were chaotic. Reports were coming in, with their significance not always clear. When their meaning was understood, it was realized that something horrific had taken place.

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Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza began after the group that governs the Palestinian enclave led an attack on southern Israel on 7 October, killing 1,200 people and taking about 250 hostage, according to Israeli tallies.

However, since then, it has been revealed by Haaretz [an Israeli Newspaper] that helicopters and tanks of the Israeli army had, in fact, killed many of the 1,139 soldiers and civilians claimed by Israel to have been killed by the Palestinian Resistance.

and took their own people hostage confused

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Originally Posted by Trojan
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Israel Knew Hamas’s Attack Plan More Than a Year Ago
A blueprint reviewed by The Times laid out the plan for the Oct. 7 attack. Israeli officials dismissed it as aspirational and ignored specific warnings.

Interesting -- I remember on the news Mossad's failure dubbed as Israel's 9/11 Israel slippin'

The intelligence chief of Israel's Defense Forces has resigned, citing failures linked to the Hamas terror attack carried out on Oct. 7. “On Saturday, October 7, 2023, Hamas carried out a murderous surprise attack against the State of Israel, whose consequences are severe and painful

3 weeks before October 7, IDF Gaza Division warned of Hamas plan to attack, take 250 hostages
The Times of Israel By ToI Staff 17 June 2024

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Report reveals 19 September 2023 document that specified terror group was training for mass assault on south;

A document compiled within the IDF’s Gaza Division less than three weeks before October 7 warned that Hamas was training for a large-scale invasion of Israel during which hostages would be taken en masse, the Kan public broadcaster revealed Monday.

Titled “Detailed raid training from end to end,” the document was circulated on September 19 and was reportedly brought to the attention of at least some senior intelligence officials, but apparently ignored.

Kan did not specify who produced the document or clarify who may have seen it

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Human Rights Watch research found that Palestinian armed groups involved in the assault on Israel on October 7, 2023 committed numerous violations of international humanitarian law – also known as the laws of war – that amount to war crimes.

This report only covers the abuses committed on October 7; it does not examine the abuses committed during subsequent events including the treatment of hostages in Gaza.

terrorists committing war crimes terror -- not rocket science
and not on just October 7; in fact, ongoing and it took Captain obvious 10 months research..

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Hamas Violations of International Law and Crimes Committed on October 7, 2023
Human Rights Watch July 17, 2024

  • The Hamas-Led Armed Groups' October 7, 2023 Assault on Israel
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Human Rights Watch research found that Palestinian armed groups involved in the assault on Israel on October 7, 2023 committed numerous violations of international humanitarian law – also known as the laws of war – that amount to war crimes.

These include deliberate and indiscriminate attacks against civilians and civilian objects; willful killing of persons in custody; cruel and other inhumane treatment; crimes relating to sexual and gender-based violence; hostage-taking; mutilation and despoiling (robbing) of bodies; use of human shields; and pillage and looting.

Human Rights Watch also found that Palestinian armed groups committed a widespread attack directed against a civilian population, according to the definition required for crimes against humanity. This is based on the numerous civilian sites targeted and on the planning that Human Rights Watch documented went into the crimes.

Human Rights Watch has further found that killing civilians and taking hostages were central aims of the planned attack, and not actions that occurred as an afterthought, or as a plan gone awry, or as isolated acts, for example solely by unaffiliated Palestinians from Gaza, and as such there is strong evidence of an organizational policy to commit multiple acts of crimes against humanity.

Under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, an attack directed against a civilian population is defined as a course of conduct involving the multiple commission of acts of crimes against humanity, such as murder or unlawful imprisonment, pursuant to or in furtherance of a state or organizational policy to commit such an attack.

Human Rights Watch concludes that the murder of civilians and the taking of hostages – imprisonment in violation of fundamental rules of international law – on October 7, 2023, formed part of the attack and were crimes against humanity.

There should be further investigation of other potential crimes against humanity, including persecution against any identifiable group on racial, national, ethnic or religious grounds; rape or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity; and extermination.

These would amount to crimes against humanity if the acts amounting to these crimes were committed as part of the attack directed against a civilian population.

This report only covers the abuses committed on October 7;
it does not examine the abuses committed during subsequent events including the treatment of hostages in Gaza.

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Urban warfare expert: 'Israel being held to double, triple standards' in Modern Warfare
30 June 2024 Israel National News

John Spencer, Chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point, says Israel being held to a standard that does not exist anywhere else in the world when it is criticized for the war with Hamas.

“Israel is being measured by double and triple standards” that "does not exist anywhere in the world," Spencer said at a Jerusalem Institute for Public and State Affairs (JCPA) briefing.

He added, “The IDF uses tactics that no army has ever seen to prevent harm to civilians and still fulfill its mission."

Spencer declared the accusations that Israel is engaged in indiscriminate bombing, war crimes, or genocide "all a lie" and that if other Western countries were held to the same standard Israel is being held to, it would be impossible for any country to fight terrorism.

He noted that the US was not criticized for the tens of thousands of civilians who were killed in the fight against ISIS, despite Israel's taking further steps to avoid civilian casualties than the US has.

Spencer used the March IDF operation at the al-Shifa Hospital, which resulted in zero civilian casualties, as an example of the unprecedented lengths Israel goes to avoid harming civilians.

“None of this meant anything to Israel's critics," he said. “In their criticism, Israel's opponents are erasing a remarkable, historic new standard Israel has set.

In my long career studying and advising on urban warfare for the U.S. military, I've never known an army to take such measures to attend to the enemy's civilian population, especially while simultaneously combating the enemy in the very same buildings.”

Spencer has been a frequent defender of Israel during the war that began with the Hamas massacre of October 7.
Earlier in the war, he stated that "no military in modern history has faced over 30,000 urban defenders in more than seven cities using human shields and hiding in hundreds of miles of underground networks purposely built under civilian sites while holding hundreds of hostages.”

Noting the millions of prerecorded calls, hundreds of thousands of dropped flies, and tens of thousands of SMS messages Israel has sent to Gazan civilians telling them to evacuate before military operations, he said, “No military in history has ever done this.”

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USA is one of the few countries Netanyahu can travel undisturbed, in Europe or Latin America he could be arrested for war crimes.


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Re: Israel: 'State of war' [Re: Hollander] #1095296
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newly elected British Labour Government has announced its biggest step yet in overhauling UK's approach to the Middle East, dropping its opposition to an international arrest warrant against Benjamin Netanyahu despite pressure from Washington not to do so

Israeli allies parroting “Israel has a right to defend itself but how it does so, matters”
How does any country defend itself against this brutal, monstrous, violent Guerilla warfare by terrorists waging terror from all sides of their tiny country, surrounded by enemies who are openly and violently calling for the annihilation of Israel

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