About 25 years ago in the midwest 2 guys defected from a non 1%er mc to an Illinois charter of HA. A while later one came back to the non 1%er clubs clubhouse and pulled a knife when they wouldn't let him in. The article said the guy at the door took it from him and stabbed him with his own knife.

I think he was in a bar I was in a few years later and if it was the same guy I can see why he got stabbed.

When I moved out west the first rider I met was just kicked out of a Christian club. He complained they were doing poker runs with 81 and all this and it's not what we should be about. The president became 81. So he said.

This is just in addition to what Lou says, which is widely known info.