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Re: So where's all the action??
[Re: MrNiceGuy]
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08/21/24 03:12 AM
08/21/24 03:12 AM
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Law is a competitive business. Always has been.
Selwyn Raab, at the end of "The Five Families," observed that, after Giuliani won the Commission case, US Attorneys all around the US were falling all over themselves to use RICO to nail Mafia big shots and cover themselves with glory. Then 9/11 went down and FBI resources were diverted to catch terrorists--they were the Mafia's "competitors" for FBI attention.
Another result of the Commission case was that state and local law enforcement wanted their share of glory, and the bigger the prize, the bigger reward for law enforcement. The FBI, the NYPD Gambino Squad, and the NY State special task force collided with each other chasing and bugging Gotti. The entire Federal prosecution team was rewarded with promotions and judgeships.
Gotti was the last genuinely Big Name in Mafia for law enforcement. No more big names, no more big rewards. Look how many people who post on this board keep asking who's in charge of this or that family. FBI probably knows, but where's the incentive for them to spend time and money catching guys the public knows nothing about?
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: So where's all the action??
[Re: NYMafia]
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08/21/24 04:56 AM
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With the vast weakening of the Mob over the last 3-4 decades, local and federal law enforcement authorities no longer view LCN as the potent nationwide danger and "enemy within" (as Bobby Kennedy coined the phrase) that they once were.
And rightly so!
They lost 99% of all the labor unions they once held sway over. Most importantly, the big four; International Brotherhood of Teamsters; International Longshoremen's Association; International Hotel, Bar & Restaurant Workers; and the International Laborers & Hod Carriers.
The loss of these unions and so many others --- hundreds --- ultimately led to their loss of control over a wide swathe of legitimate industries and businesses....This weakened them tremendously and led to the diminishing of their "national" power structure. It reduced them to local "crews" as opposed to nationally powerful figures.
Stripping away the unions (and the pension funds they controlled) also lead --- indirectly --- to their loss of secret control over Las Vegas hotels and casino operations...and island casinos too for that matter.
Add to that the many illegal street rackets that became legalized over the years like horse and sports bookmaking, floating dice and card games, joker-poker machines, pay-day loans, alcohol, certain drugs like marijuana and other substances, etc.
Modern technology also helped destroy previously lucrative rackets like stolen securities, credit card theft, truck hijacking, cargo theft from JFK and off the docks, etc., etc., etc.
Collectively, these things became a perfect recipe for disaster --- a perfect storm, if you will --- for Italian organized crime's destruction, and ultimately, its demise.
Nowadays, unless they want to deal hard narcotics, which is one of the few rackets that remain, or they're sophisticated enough to get involved in complex financial racket schemes which a few have done, the vast majority of the members find themselves in a underworld abyss...with few ways to churn out an illegal buck.
What we are witnessing is the twilight of so-called "Traditional" organized crime as we knew it. --
It was once predicted by certain law enforcement and FBI agents that this would happen. At that time they essentially said, "They will always be around. But, one day, the mob will be reduced to nothing more than a bunch of lowly street gangs."
Last edited by NYMafia; 08/21/24 05:16 AM.
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Re: So where's all the action??
[Re: Dwalin2011]
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08/21/24 12:35 PM
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Gotti was the last genuinely Big Name in Mafia for law enforcement. No more big names, no more big rewards.
But what about "Chin" Gigante, wasn't he at least on the same level as Gotti in terms of mafia power? Yes, Chin actually had more power than Gotti--Genovese were bigger than Gambinos at that time. But, Chin wasn't as big a public figure as Gotti because his non compos mentis act was designed to keep him out of the public light by portraying himself as a doddering mental case. He wasn't a provocation to law enforcement the way Gotti was. Fat Tony was the public face of the Genovese Family, and he went down in the Commission case. Chin was never off of law enforcement's radar. But, they didn't pursue him as avidly as they did Gotti, who provoked them with his public swagger, strutting, and bragging that he'd never be convicted.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: So where's all the action??
[Re: Hollander]
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08/21/24 02:29 PM
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New York area yes a few with international links, but compared to Europe not that many. European groups have been hit hard with Sky ECC Encrochat and other communications networks.
Sky destroyed a lot of organized crime groups in Europe, literally everyone used it and spoke openly about everything there. To answer the topics question: The action is in Italy, nothing is happening in US for years.
"A fish with his mouth closed never get's caught"
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Re: So where's all the action??
[Re: Liggio]
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08/21/24 05:29 PM
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Dude, it's everywhere in Southern Italy and Northern Italy too. I have dozens of new articles on the Camorra, Cosa Nostra, Ndrangheta, and SCU and in fact it's even posted here by Hollander, m2w, and many others. This bullshit about it's only the Ndrangheta nowadays and in Calabria is just that, bullshit. Dude! I didn't say that it was "ONLY" Calabria. So, in the future, before you respond foolishly, I strongly recommend that you improve on your reading comprehension, ok? What I DID say was that Italy, in general, and Canada, were both active in that regard. "Especially" Southern Italy (Calabria Province)... And in case you're ignorant of these facts, Southern Italy includes the regions of Campania, Apuglia, Calabria....and for that matter, the island of Sicily too! (after all, Sicily is located in the south, no?)
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Re: So where's all the action??
[Re: Turnbull]
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08/21/24 07:51 PM
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Law is a competitive business. Always has been.
Selwyn Raab, at the end of "The Five Families," observed that, after Giuliani won the Commission case, US Attorneys all around the US were falling all over themselves to use RICO to nail Mafia big shots and cover themselves with glory. Then 9/11 went down and FBI resources were diverted to catch terrorists--they were the Mafia's "competitors" for FBI attention.
Another result of the Commission case was that state and local law enforcement wanted their share of glory, and the bigger the prize, the bigger reward for law enforcement. The FBI, the NYPD Gambino Squad, and the NY State special task force collided with each other chasing and bugging Gotti. The entire Federal prosecution team was rewarded with promotions and judgeships.
Gotti was the last genuinely Big Name in Mafia for law enforcement. No more big names, no more big rewards. Look how many people who post on this board keep asking who's in charge of this or that family. FBI probably knows, but where's the incentive for them to spend time and money catching guys the public knows nothing about? At the end it is also politics lol. Last june FBI warned of Mexican cartels targeting Americans in timeshare fraud schemes. ·
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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