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So where's all the action?? #1097466
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Either every U.S. Attorneys office throughout the entire country is in a permanent coma. Or Italian organized crime (LCN) is pretty much dead in the water.

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097506
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The FBI has a budget of 11 billion US dollars, by far more as Europol and Interpol but they are making far more big busts in recent years.


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Come on, let's not act like there hasn't been any recent busts. Nothing like it was, but come on now.

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097534
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They all got into politics?

Maybe since Mob Talk stopped doing youtube videos, the feds have got nothing to go on now?

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: MrNiceGuy] #1097537
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Law is a competitive business. Always has been.

Selwyn Raab, at the end of "The Five Families," observed that, after Giuliani won the Commission case, US Attorneys all around the US were falling all over themselves to use RICO to nail Mafia big shots and cover themselves with glory. Then 9/11 went down and FBI resources were diverted to catch terrorists--they were the Mafia's "competitors" for FBI attention.

Another result of the Commission case was that state and local law enforcement wanted their share of glory, and the bigger the prize, the bigger reward for law enforcement. The FBI, the NYPD Gambino Squad, and the NY State special task force collided with each other chasing and bugging Gotti. The entire Federal prosecution team was rewarded with promotions and judgeships.

Gotti was the last genuinely Big Name in Mafia for law enforcement. No more big names, no more big rewards. Look how many people who post on this board keep asking who's in charge of this or that family. FBI probably knows, but where's the incentive for them to spend time and money catching guys the public knows nothing about?


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Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: Turnbull] #1097538
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Originally Posted by Turnbull

Gotti was the last genuinely Big Name in Mafia for law enforcement. No more big names, no more big rewards.


But what about "Chin" Gigante, wasn't he at least on the same level as Gotti in terms of mafia power?


Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:

1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097539
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Today the the targets are the mexican cartels men in US,the bikers or the gang leaders because move drugs and kill more people.
The 5 families squads lost money and men and the US mob arent seen as a danger like in the 1980s and 1990s.
Priorities have changed because there are more dangerous people around.

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097541
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With the vast weakening of the Mob over the last 3-4 decades, local and federal law enforcement authorities no longer view LCN as the potent nationwide danger and "enemy within" (as Bobby Kennedy coined the phrase) that they once were.

And rightly so!

They lost 99% of all the labor unions they once held sway over. Most importantly, the big four; International Brotherhood of Teamsters; International Longshoremen's Association; International Hotel, Bar & Restaurant Workers; and the International Laborers & Hod Carriers.

The loss of these unions and so many others --- hundreds --- ultimately led to their loss of control over a wide swathe of legitimate industries and businesses....This weakened them tremendously and led to the diminishing of their "national" power structure. It reduced them to local "crews" as opposed to nationally powerful figures.

Stripping away the unions (and the pension funds they controlled) also lead --- indirectly --- to their loss of secret control over Las Vegas hotels and casino operations...and island casinos too for that matter.

Add to that the many illegal street rackets that became legalized over the years like horse and sports bookmaking, floating dice and card games, joker-poker machines, pay-day loans, alcohol, certain drugs like marijuana and other substances, etc.

Modern technology also helped destroy previously lucrative rackets like stolen securities, credit card theft, truck hijacking, cargo theft from JFK and off the docks, etc., etc., etc.

Collectively, these things became a perfect recipe for disaster --- a perfect storm, if you will --- for Italian organized crime's destruction, and ultimately, its demise.

Nowadays, unless they want to deal hard narcotics, which is one of the few rackets that remain, or they're sophisticated enough to get involved in complex financial racket schemes which a few have done, the vast majority of the members find themselves in a underworld abyss...with few ways to churn out an illegal buck.

What we are witnessing is the twilight of so-called "Traditional" organized crime as we knew it.
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It was once predicted by certain law enforcement and FBI agents that this would happen. At that time they essentially said, "They will always be around. But, one day, the mob will be reduced to nothing more than a bunch of lowly street gangs."

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Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097544
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in recent years there have been indictments against LCN, fewer than in the past but still there

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: Dwalin2011] #1097555
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Originally Posted by Dwalin2011
Originally Posted by Turnbull

Gotti was the last genuinely Big Name in Mafia for law enforcement. No more big names, no more big rewards.


But what about "Chin" Gigante, wasn't he at least on the same level as Gotti in terms of mafia power?

Yes, Chin actually had more power than Gotti--Genovese were bigger than Gambinos at that time. But, Chin wasn't as big a public figure as Gotti because his non compos mentis act was designed to keep him out of the public light by portraying himself as a doddering mental case. He wasn't a provocation to law enforcement the way Gotti was. Fat Tony was the public face of the Genovese Family, and he went down in the Commission case. Chin was never off of law enforcement's radar. But, they didn't pursue him as avidly as they did Gotti, who provoked them with his public swagger, strutting, and bragging that he'd never be convicted.


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Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: m2w] #1097556
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Originally Posted by m2w
in recent years there have been indictments against LCN, fewer than in the past but still there


New York area yes a few with international links, but compared to Europe not that many. European groups have been hit hard with Sky ECC Encrochat and other communications networks.


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Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: Hollander] #1097560
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Originally Posted by Hollander

New York area yes a few with international links, but compared to Europe not that many. European groups have been hit hard with Sky ECC Encrochat and other communications networks.


Sky destroyed a lot of organized crime groups in Europe, literally everyone used it and spoke openly about everything there.

To answer the topics question: The action is in Italy, nothing is happening in US for years.


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Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097561
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Yes, today its mostly in Italy, especially Southern Italy (Calabria Province)...and in Canada, where there are still lots of Italian action.

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097571
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Dude, it's everywhere in Southern Italy and Northern Italy too. I have dozens of new articles on the Camorra, Cosa Nostra, Ndrangheta, and SCU and in fact it's even posted here by Hollander, m2w, and many others. This bullshit about it's only the Ndrangheta nowadays and in Calabria is just that, bullshit.

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097573
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Even the old Magliana Gang has resurrected itself, so you know the more well-entrenched organizations aren't hurting.

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: Liggio] #1097575
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Originally Posted by Liggio
Dude, it's everywhere in Southern Italy and Northern Italy too. I have dozens of new articles on the Camorra, Cosa Nostra, Ndrangheta, and SCU and in fact it's even posted here by Hollander, m2w, and many others. This bullshit about it's only the Ndrangheta nowadays and in Calabria is just that, bullshit.


Dude!

I didn't say that it was "ONLY" Calabria. So, in the future, before you respond foolishly, I strongly recommend that you improve on your reading comprehension, ok?

What I DID say was that Italy, in general, and Canada, were both active in that regard. "Especially" Southern Italy (Calabria Province)...

And in case you're ignorant of these facts, Southern Italy includes the regions of Campania, Apuglia, Calabria....and for that matter, the island of Sicily too! (after all, Sicily is located in the south, no?)

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097576
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Not many busts but the Gambino busts have been impressive. Some of these motherfuckers still know how to make big money

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097577
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I agree. There have been several indictments over the last few years that are worthy of attention...in the sense, as you mentioned, that they were "big dollar" racket schemes.

But, unfortunately, Gambinos or not, nowadays such cases are far and few between for LCN members and crews. VERY far and few between, And the only people who don't understand that concept and reality are the ones too young to even remember what once had been the daily "norm" for all the Families.

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: NYMafia] #1097580
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Guys in Italy only the ndrangheta have serious internazional connections.
Even the Mexican cartels trust the Calabrians so much that doesnt ask for a hostage to kill in case of no payment for the drug abd even the Sicilians must ask help to the ndrine because the drug cargo was seized by the police and the hostage would be killed and the Calabrians payed and saved the hostage.

For the Camorra there are big broker but few clans can operate out Naples and for the Banda della Magliana after the 1993 Abbatino an informant said that was never desbanded but only changed name Banda della Maranella for avoid LE attentions.

But at least only the ndrangheta have a international spread and ndrine all around the world are still in contact with the Calabria.
For me there are much ndine also in USA but they operate in the shadow and dont have rats so is hard to know the exact numbers.

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All of the different crime clans in Italy work together, it's not some competition to see who's the biggest. The different organizations don't even fight each other. If a war happens, it's among different clans of the same organization/ethnicity. The Ndrangheta is the most powerful and widespread, but the others have been impressive as well from what you guys have posted.

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I think most future indictments we see will involve more sophisticated schemes generating big profits, like for instance the healthcare fraud case involving Tom Farese and Pat Truglia and others or the Gambino construction rackets. They're not out hijacking 18-wheelers or robbing armored trucks, the cowboy days are over. This is just what I think so far. Whatever's left of LCN are pursuing rackets with far greater profit potential but that comes with less severe penalties. I wonder about the structures though, will they remain the same or morph into something else to confuse LE?

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Guys in Italy only the ndrangheta have serious internazional connections.
Even the Mexican cartels trust the Calabrians so much that doesnt ask for a hostage to kill in case of no payment for the drug abd even the Sicilians must ask help to the ndrine because the drug cargo was seized by the police and the hostage would be killed and the Calabrians payed and saved the hostage.

For the Camorra there are big broker but few clans can operate out Naples and for the Banda della Magliana after the 1993 Abbatino an informant said that was never desbanded but only changed name Banda della Maranella for avoid LE attentions.

But at least only the ndrangheta have a international spread and ndrine all around the world are still in contact with the Calabria.
For me there are much ndine also in USA but they operate in the shadow and dont have rats so is hard to know the exact numbers.


Bingo! My point exactly, Furio. As I said, "Especially" Calabria --- the N'drangheta.

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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Law is a competitive business. Always has been.

Selwyn Raab, at the end of "The Five Families," observed that, after Giuliani won the Commission case, US Attorneys all around the US were falling all over themselves to use RICO to nail Mafia big shots and cover themselves with glory. Then 9/11 went down and FBI resources were diverted to catch terrorists--they were the Mafia's "competitors" for FBI attention.

Another result of the Commission case was that state and local law enforcement wanted their share of glory, and the bigger the prize, the bigger reward for law enforcement. The FBI, the NYPD Gambino Squad, and the NY State special task force collided with each other chasing and bugging Gotti. The entire Federal prosecution team was rewarded with promotions and judgeships.

Gotti was the last genuinely Big Name in Mafia for law enforcement. No more big names, no more big rewards. Look how many people who post on this board keep asking who's in charge of this or that family. FBI probably knows, but where's the incentive for them to spend time and money catching guys the public knows nothing about?


At the end it is also politics lol. Last june FBI warned of Mexican cartels targeting Americans in timeshare fraud schemes. ·


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Speaking of the Ndrangheta, there was a 2017 bust in which 33 members of the Piromalli Clan were arrested and over $40 million in assets seized. It involved both Italian police and the FBI. It received very little fanfare or attention among mob buffs even though leading up to the bust, it was discovered that the Piromalli Clan had an FBI agent in their pocket and a member lived here for over 20 years. Point is, who knows what kind of investigations and pending indictments are in the works.

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What kind of mobster does the current rackets attract? Do they even have hitmen anymore?

Guys that actually made a living carrying out hits like Harry Aleman in Chicago.

The mob today may as well be selling lemonade on the street corner.

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: furio_from_naples] #1097626
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Guys in Italy only the ndrangheta have serious internazional connections.
Even the Mexican cartels trust the Calabrians so much that doesnt ask for a hostage to kill in case of no payment for the drug abd even the Sicilians must ask help to the ndrine because the drug cargo was seized by the police and the hostage would be killed and the Calabrians payed and saved the hostage.

For the Camorra there are big broker but few clans can operate out Naples and for the Banda della Magliana after the 1993 Abbatino an informant said that was never desbanded but only changed name Banda della Maranella for avoid LE attentions.

But at least only the ndrangheta have a international spread and ndrine all around the world are still in contact with the Calabria.
For me there are much ndine also in USA but they operate in the shadow and dont have rats so is hard to know the exact numbers.

Ndrangheta is currently more widespread, but Cosa Nostra and Camorra also have their international links

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Exactly, the Ndrangheta gets all the attention but don't count the others out.

Re: So where's all the action?? [Re: Liggio] #1097638
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Originally Posted by Liggio
Exactly, the Ndrangheta gets all the attention but don't count the others out.


Sicilian Mafia and Camorra def have plenty of links to other countries a good example is the boss Domenico Rancadore who lived for more than 20 years in London, England with contacts to high diplomatic and political circles.


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