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Re: "Plastic Gold"...The Credit Card Rackets
[Re: Malavita]
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08/23/24 03:33 PM
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Interesting subject.
I am currently finishing reading a book on 80/90's Colombo associate Carmine Imbriale who was heavily involved in the credit card rackets. He explains in details how the whole thing worked and how he operated his racket. He also said that pretty much every mob guy in Brooklyn had access to these cards.
A few stories regarding the use of fake cards :
- Henry Hill said that Paulie Vario would take his wife to dinner and use a fake card to pay even though he had millions. That's just how these mobsters are, they love the hustle and get a thrill out of it. It's not about getting a free meal, it's about hustling your way out of everything.
- Greg Scarpa was arrested with around 90 fake cards and wasn't prosecuted while Carmine Imbriale, an associate of Cramine Sessa, got caught with 3 cards and got a jailed sentence. This largely contributed to raise the rumours about Scarpa being informant.
Yes indeed. At one time, back in the 1960s through 1990s era, counterfeit and/or stolen credit cards were one of the NY mob's easiest rackets. I won't say everybody dabbled in them, but tons of guys did. Some got rich through it, some just made extra cash or got perks like you mentioned. But it was a very very lively racket for lots of guys. (I'm sure in many other mob-controlled cities as well) It was considered easy money.
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Re: "Plastic Gold"...The Credit Card Rackets
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08/23/24 05:22 PM
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Re: "Plastic Gold"...The Credit Card Rackets
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08/23/24 05:44 PM
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In the US, often you don't have to put your pin code to use the cards. You can just sign. That helped a lot to fraud the system.
In France for instance, we have to put the pin code unless it's a contacless payment (below 50 euros). It doesn't mean there is no fraud but it's much harder i guess.
What they do here is they put a device in the ATM so when you put your card, the device scan your information and frauders can make a copy of your card. It's known as the "Marseille double" because mobsters from Marseille sort of invented that fraud.
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Re: "Plastic Gold"...The Credit Card Rackets
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08/23/24 05:49 PM
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In the US, often you don't have to put your pin code to use the cards. You can just sign. That helped a lot to fraud the system.
In France for instance, we have to put the pin code unless it's a contacless payment (below 50 euros). It doesn't mean there is no fraud but it's much harder i guess.
What they do here is they put a device in the ATM so when you put your card, the device scan your information and frauders can make a copy of your card. It's known as the "Marseille double" because mobsters from Marseille sort of invented that fraud. Thats very interesting, Malavita. We, here in the U.S., also have a similar device to capture credit card info. I believe it's called a "skimmer" if memory serves me. The scamsters place this innocent looking device (which blends into the ATM machine and actually appears to be part of it) over the slot where the c.c. goes. It sounds like the device they use in Marseilles.
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Re: "Plastic Gold"...The Credit Card Rackets
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08/23/24 06:56 PM
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Salvatore (Bill) Bonanno did four years in a federal pen in the Seventies for 62 counts of "mail fraud"--using a stolen credit card. Yes. I remember that. I think the credit card fraud case also involved Bonanno soldier Sam Perrone, who had taken one of his shylock customers credit card who was indebted to him. He then handed it to Bill Bonanno to use as he needed to. I also think the 4 year bid was the first of several jail bids Bonanno did over the years.
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Re: "Plastic Gold"...The Credit Card Rackets
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08/24/24 03:13 PM
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I remember asking about the scene in Casino where the two guys try to bang the casino out of 200k or whatever, and pesci goes over and stops them at the Cashout window. They leave without their winnings.
The answer was that they used stolen cards to get the initial chips to play with. Thanks for that because I never understood that scene. I figured they were trying to shake down the place but it didn't make sense to go to the cashier.
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Re: "Plastic Gold"...The Credit Card Rackets
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08/25/24 01:28 AM
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I knew some people who dabbled in stolen cards who drove across country. They steal the cards from New York, Connecticut, New Jersey when they visited relatives or friends, and make their way back to California, Nevada, and Arizona. On the way home they start using the cards for food, cloths, and half way they would go big with items, and stop right before they hit their home state. The reason is back in those days, you had time as in a couple of days before they caught on about the stolen cards. It got tougher when it was only a few hours, so you could not stay over night in a town and use it. Fred who passed away years ago panicked one time, cause he stole a card and tried using it in Ohio, but it would not go through and thought the news traveled faster, turned out the card had been canceled before he had stolen it, they would steal 2 to 4 cards from wealthy businessmen or who they thought were rich. He paid cash cash for dinner and threw away the card and didn't use another card until Illinois. That was back in the day. Another guy who is still alive and did time, had an inside man who would duplicate a card of a wealthy client who was new. Give his information and would use it after pattern was made on purchases. He would get the recipes and copy the shopping later on with big purchases and sell most of the items, other times he would not use it a few times on whatever and through it away. It last for some years, but apparently his inside man was a druggie who eventually ODed on something, the never used his name on the paperwork he used a coworkers name. He never got caught on the cards only on stolen property. Card readers have been around for over two decades, the smart criminals and college students figured it how back then, now it is easy to where anyone can do it. They put the device at gas stations, convenient stores, ATM, even at bank ATM if they are ballsy enough.
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Re: "Plastic Gold"...The Credit Card Rackets
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08/26/24 06:44 AM
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If some knucklehead got caught with a few cards he lifted from someone's wallet and got caught using it he would be handled by local cops and it would be a slap the wrist and some restitution. If the local cops were told the cards were bought from a guy who worked at a post office, the postal inspectors would get involved. If the cards were counterfeit, the secret service would get the call. If it was identity fraud, the fbi and postal inspectors would be on the case. Good info. And yes, depending upon the circumstances, even the local NYCPD and other local agencies investigated c.c. Because of jurisdictional requirements, that's often also why the feds and locals worked together.
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