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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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From: The Guardian September 22, 2024
The UN’s special coordinator for Lebanon, Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert, said in a statement on X: “With the region on the brink of an imminent catastrophe, it cannot be overstated enough: there is NO military solution that will make either side safer.”
World powers moved at the weekend to call for a ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah. The White House national security spokesperson, John Kirby, said escalating the conflict was not in Israel’s best interest.
Washington was saying this “directly to our Israeli counterparts” and believed “there can be time and space for a diplomatic solution here and that’s what we’re working on”, he told ABC.
The EU called for an “urgent ceasefire” and “renewed intense diplomatic mediation efforts”, a message echoed by the UK foreign secretary, David Lammy, who noted the “worrying escalation”.
Addressing the Labour party’s annual conference, Lammy said a ceasefire would facilitate “a political settlement, so that Israelis and Lebanese civilians can return to their homes and live in peace and security”.
Guterres, however, said the language used by both sides indicated a lack of desire to explore peace. “It is for me clear that both sides are not interested in a ceasefire. And that is a tragedy, because this is a war that must stop,” he told CNN.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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From: Opinion | Haaretz Editorial September 22, 2024 Caution, Trouble Ahead: Israel Is on the Brink of Another Disastrous War
On the 352nd day of the October 7, 2023 war, Israel's attacks in Lebanon are increasing, along with fear of a major regional war, and no agreement for the release of the hostages and a cease-fire in Gaza Strip is in sight.
It seems, 1. Israel keeps opening multi-pronged, can of battles 2. and now Hezbollah raining lethal rockets deep into northern Israel 3. Israel is burning and bleeding, on all fronts -- northern, southern, western, eastern 4. no sign of Israeli victory of this year long, terror war 5. worse -- worryingly no wins.... every front remains "undefeated" "unconquered" 6. terrorists keep coming back bigger and more lethal like Taliban 7. It is not the terrorists collapsing but Israel 8. the assassinated dime a dozen terrorist "top commanders" replaced yesterday!
The fighting between the IDF and Hezbollah militants is taking place in parallel to the unrelenting conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza -- which is still raging ONE year on....
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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A ground invasion of Lebanon will eventually happen. It's the only way to get the extremists. Or bombing the shit out of the whole country. Hadn't worked in Gaza still raging ONE year on.... extremists Hamas bigger and more lethal and remains "undefeated" "unconquered" not even making a dent.... It seems Israel is winning the battles but no sign of victory of this year long, terror war I reckon, among others 1. Israel is not winning even the battles 2. It is Israel burning and bleeding, on all fronts 3. It is not the terrorists that is collapsing but Israel
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A ground invasion of Lebanon will eventually happen. It's the only way to get the extremists. Or bombing the shit out of the whole country. Hadn't worked in Gaza still raging ONE year on.... extremists Hamas bigger and more lethal and remains "undefeated" "unconquered" not even making a dent.... It seems Israel is winning the battles but no sign of victory of this year long, terror war I reckon, among others 1. Israel is not winning even the battles 2. It is Israel burning and bleeding, on all fronts 3. It is not the terrorists that is collapsing but Israel It also didn't work in 2006, but with this Israeli government experts do predict a long offensive with or without ground troops. Today Hezbollah has seen the biggest air attack since 2006 it's Chaos.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Hezbollah views its conflict with Israel and the Jewish people as religiously motivated. The history of the Arab-Israeli conflict to them is a repeat of the negative interactions between the Jews of medieval Arabia and Muhammad and the early umma described in the Koran and other classical Islamic texts. God, according to Hezbollah theology, cursed all Jews as blasphemers damned for all time and throughout history.[17][18] Hezbollah, as well as the political/religious leaders of Iran, believe that the destruction of Israel will bring about the "reappearance of the Imam (the Shiite Islamic Messiah)".[19] These issues exist independently of Israeli treatment of Palestinians or even the existence of the State of Israel, although Hezbollah has strong objections to these more earthly matters as well. Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah has said in an interview that "Israel is an illegitimate entity and it is a threat to the region. It is a constant threat to the whole region. We cannot coexist with this threat. That is why the ultimate goal of the [Arab and Islamic] nation is to end Israel's existence irrespective of the problems, sensitivities and everything that has happened and could happen between Palestinians and non-Palestinians, Shia and Sunni, Muslims and Christians."[20] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_of_Hezbollah
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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A ground invasion of Lebanon will eventually happen. It's the only way to get the extremists. Or bombing the shit out of the whole country. Hadn't worked in Gaza still raging ONE year on.... extremists Hamas bigger and more lethal and remains "undefeated" "unconquered" not even making a dent.... It also didn't work in 2006, but with this Israeli government experts do predict a long offensive with or without ground troops. Today Hezbollah has seen the biggest air attack since 2006 it's Chaos. True. Stalemate -- Ceasefire through UNSCR 1701 From: Middle East Monitor July 12, 2018 34 day war July 12-August 14, 2006 missed opportunity for Israel The conflict was sparked-off when, on 12 July 2006, Hezbollah operatives crossed the Israel-Lebanon border to ambush an Israeli military vehicle that was on patrol. Three Israeli soldiers were killed and two were captured. When Israel sent a rescue mission into Lebanon in an attempt to find the captives, five more soldiers were killed. Initially, both Israel and Hezbollah claimed victory in the war, with Nasrallah declaring that Hezbollah had achieved a “divine, historic and strategic victory”. Some international observers saw the fact that Hezbollah had survived the Israeli assault, despite the asymmetrical power balance, as a PR victory for the group. In Israel, the war has since come to be seen as a military failure for its inability to disarm or destroy Hezbollah. A commission of inquiry subsequently appointed by the Israeli government, the Winograd Commission, labelled the war a “missed opportunity” and revealed shortcomings in Israel’s decision-making processes.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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It seems Israel is winning the battles but no sign of victory of this year long, terror war I reckon, among others 1. Israel is not winning even the battles 2. It is Israel burning and bleeding, on all fronts 3. It is not the terrorists that is collapsing but Israel Hamas claims very costly wins against Israel -- True, on all fronts economic tollThe Bank of Israel estimated in November that the war would cost about USD53 billion through to 2025 based on forecasts of increased defence and other spending against a backdrop of lower tax revenue. Israel has not seen this scale of military activity in terms of duration, intensity and cost in recent times Israeli war costs economy over $67.3 billion: Israel’s budget deficit reached 8.1% last July, Economists say The economic toll of the war may cost Israel an estimated $400 billion in lost economic activity over the next decade – threatens Israel's economic future.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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From: Reuters September 24, 2024 Netanyahu pledges to change the balance of power Please! Strike while the Iron is hot. Please! Not another missed opportunity Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu :sent, a short video statement addressed to the Lebanese people. "Israel's war is not with you, it's with Hezbollah. For too long Hezbollah has been using you as human shields," he said. Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant :said, Monday marked a "significant peak" in the nearly year-long conflict. "On this day we have taken out of order tens of thousands of rockets and precise munition. What Hezbollah has built over a period of 20 years since the second Lebanon War is in fact being destroyed by the IDF," he said in a statement, referring to the Israel Defense Forces. Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian: said, In New York, Israel wanted to drag the Middle East into a full-blown war by provoking Iran to join the Israel-Hezbollah conflict. "It is Israel that seeks to create this all-out conflict," he told journalists after his arrival in New York to attend the U.N. General Assembly, saying the consequences of such instability would be irreversible.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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From: Reuters September 24, 2024 After almost a year of war against Hamas in Gaza on its southern border, Israel is shifting its focus to the northern frontier, where Iran-backed Hezbollah has been firing rockets into Israel in support of Hamas, also backed by Iran.
Israel's military said it struck Hezbollah in Lebanon's south, east and north, including "launchers, command posts and terrorist infrastructure." The Israeli Air Force struck approximately 1,600 Hezbollah targets in southern Lebanon and the Bekaa Valley, it said.
The fighting has raised fears that the U.S., Israel's close ally, and Iran will be sucked into a wider war.
The strikes have redoubled the pressure on the group, which last week suffered heavy losses when thousands of pagers and walkie-talkies used by its members exploded.
The operation was widely blamed on Israel, which has not confirmed nor denied responsibility.
apparently, Israel had hacked Lebanese Radio networks and Telecommunication, to broadcast their evacuation order "Get away from Hezbollah" also sent text messages and recordings to scores of Lebanon’s citizens, having quietly been gathering this data, for years.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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From: Reuters September 24, 2024 On Monday evening Israel launched a strike on Beirut's southern suburbs aimed at senior Hezbollah leader Ali Karaki, the head of the southern front. Hezbollah later said he was safe and had moved to a secure location.
But Hamas' armed wing said its field commander in southern Lebanon, Mahmoud al Nader, was killed in an Israeli air strike.
From: Foreign Policy September 23, 2024 Will Hezbollah Choose to Keep Its Word—or Its Arsenal?
The militant group must decide between walking back its threat to northern Israel or risking the loss of its advanced missile capabilities.
In less than a week, 1. Israel has managed to significantly degrade Hezbollah’s military capabilities, communications systems, and chain of command. 2. First, exploding pagers and walkie-talkies undermined the group’s ability to communicate. 3. Then came the assassination of operations commander Ibrahim Aqil on Friday—along with 14 top Radwan Force commanders —which was a major setback for the Lebanese militant group’s top leadership and command unit, the Jihad Council. From the founding members of Hezbollah’s military structure only Ali Karaki survives today.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Sinwar ParanoidTimes Now Explainers 19 September 2024 Israel's hunt for Yahya Sinwar Hamas' Last man standing -- Israel's prime target: the secretive, shadowy Hamas leader Decoded: How Sinwar leads Hamas from underground, having disappeared into Hamas tunnels apparently Sinwar gets around under a burqa Sinwar's silence is deafening! Perhaps he is no longer alive? -- Wonder who is getting the $400,000 reward
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From: Reuters September 24, 2024 Extract: The fighting has raised fears that the U.S., Israel's close ally, and Iran will be sucked into a wider war. You know you got to stop them at the beginning, like they should have stopped Hitler at Munich -- helps to get rid of the bad blood. Blood is a big expense - US and allies should never have let this terror war go on, for so long -- still raging ONE year on....
Then again, America and England have been unable to stop the Red Sea ship attacks, by terrorists Houthis which still continue
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Hezbollah says second top commander, Ahmed Wahbi, killedAl Arabiya 21 September 2024 Hezbollah says second top commander, Ahmed Wahbi, killed in Israel’s strike on Beirut, Friday 20 September 2024 Lebanese militant group Hezbollah said Saturday that a second senior commander was among 15 of its fighters killed in an Israeli air strike on its Beirut stronghold the previous day The Iran-backed group said Wahbi led the military operations of its elite Radwan Force in support of Hamas between October 7, 2023 when the Palestinian militant group attacked Israel, triggering the Gaza war and the start of this year
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Terrorists Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis keep attacking Israel and counter attacks, more attacks but International law enforcement applies only to Israel Israel’s UN Ambassador slams UN for ignoring Hezbollah attacksDaJobnik 22 September 2024 Danny Danon, Israel’s UN Ambassador, delivers a fiery speech at the UN Security Council, demanding international action against Hezbollah Danon, 1. accuses Hezbollah of indiscriminate attacks on Israeli civilians which have displaced over 60,000 people in northern Israel 2. also criticizes the UN’s inaction in enforcing Resolutions 1701 and 1559 which call for Hezbollah’s disarmament 3. and exposes Iran’s role as the mastermind behind Hezbollah’s aggression, pulling the strings of terror across the Middle East Danon also highlights the hypocrisy of international critics, pointing out the environmental and human devastation caused by Hezbollah’s rocket attacks. Over 50,000 acres of forests and farmlands have been destroyed Yet the UN remains silent Danon reaffirms, in his closing statement that Israel will take any necessary measures to protect its citizens and bring displaced families back home and who? is protecting the innocent Palestinian citizens and bringing the displaced Palestinian families "being shunted between 'safe' zones multiple times" back home?Danon calls on the international community to finally hold Hezbollah and Iran accountable before it’s too late
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Iranian president says he doesn't want war with IsraelNBC News by Dan De Luce, Andrea Mitchell and Chantal Da Silva 24 September 2024 Extracts: Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian says, he doesn't want war with Israel “We want to live in peace” Pezeshkian told reporters in New York City as the U.N. General Assembly gets underway “We don’t wish to be the cause of instability in the region" Pezeshkian said Monday that Iran does not seek a wider war in the Middle East and that such a conflict would have no winners “We don’t want war ... We want to live in peace” Pezeshkian told reporters during a visit to New York for the U.N. General Assembly meeting “We don’t wish to be the cause of instability in the region" Pezeshkian called for dialogue to resolve the volatile situation in the Middle East and blamed Israel for stoking tensions and instigating conflict, citing assassinations in Tehran and elsewhere that Pezeshkian said, Israel had carried out “We know more than anyone else that if a larger war were to erupt in the Middle East, it will not benefit anyone throughout the world. It is Israel that seeks to create this wider conflict” Pezeshkian said U.S. officials fear the prospect of an all-out war between Israel and Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant group backed by Iran Israeli airstrikes killed more than 180 people and wounded almost 730 on Monday, Lebanon’s Health Ministry said, a dramatic expansion of Israel’s aerial attack
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Iranian president says he doesn't want war with IsraelNBC News by Dan De Luce, Andrea Mitchell and Chantal Da Silva 24 September 2024 Extracts: Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian also slammed the U.S. and other Western countries for what Pezeshkian called double standards as they criticized Iran over human rights but ignored Israel’s “atrocities” in Gaza Pezeshkian, who was elected this year and portrays himself as a relative moderate, also said Iran could not dictate to Houthi forces that are attacking shipping in the Red Sea The Houthis, Pezeshkian said, were reacting to what Pezeshkian called the unjust plight of Palestinians in Gaza “How can we ask them [Houthis] to abstain?” Pezeshkian said “They are trying to stop genocide”? -- by violence! including -- 1. murdering innocent crew 2. polluting the environment 3. disrupting the Red Sea International shipping route 4. impacting Global trade 5. destroying ships Pezeshkian, asked about assessments by U.S. intelligence agencies that Iran was trying to promote campus protests in the U.S. against Israel, rejected the accusation and said, "It was “childish” People around the world are protesting because they are outraged at the situation in Gaza and do not need to be bribed to take to the streets" he added.
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Iranian president says he doesn't want war with IsraelNBC News by Dan De Luce, Andrea Mitchell and Chantal Da Silva 24 September 2024 Extracts: In an interview with NBC News’ Andrea Mitchell, Iran’s vice president for strategic affairs, Mohammad Javad Zarif, echoed President Masoud Pezeshkian’s comments and said his government was ready to work with other countries to end the conflict in Gaza “We want to move in a more peaceful, more stable world for our citizens and for the citizens of the world We don’t seek war but we will defend ourselves” Zarif said Zarif also said Iran had the right to retaliate at a time of its choosing over what Zarif called a clear violation of Iran’s sovereignty when the head of Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh, was assassinated in the capital, Tehran, in July 2024 Iran has blamed Israel for orchestrating the bombing. Israel has not publicly confirmed it was behind the attack. After the assassination, Zarif said, “we were asked by the international community to exercise restraint in order to bring about an end to the war in Gaza But the promise of a cease-fire deal never materialized" Zarif said
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Iranian president says he doesn't want war with IsraelNBC News by Dan De Luce, Andrea Mitchell and Chantal Da Silva 24 September 2024 Extracts: Iran’s vice president for strategic affairs, Mohammad Javad Zarif said in a video on Telegram, adding that he planned to stay in New York for an extended period "We are prepared and if the other parties are also prepared, we can have another beginning of the talks during this trip" The U.S. is not expecting to talk to the Iranian government any time soon, a senior Biden administration official said Monday The official said the U.S. continues to signal to Iranian officials what is expected if its leaders are serious about changing the country's standing in the international community Yet Iran is selling ballistic missiles to the Russian government, the U.S. official said, a move that fuels the war in Ukraine The U.S. and its allies say Iran has supplied Russia with armed drones and ballistic missiles for its war against Ukraine which the Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian denied Pezeshkian said, Iran opposes “Russian aggression” against Ukraine and called for dialogue to resolve the conflict
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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From: Middle East Monitor July 12, 2018 34 day war July 12-August 14, 2006 missed opportunity for Israel
Initially, both Israel and Hezbollah claimed victory in the war, with Nasrallah declaring that Hezbollah had achieved a “divine, historic and strategic victory”.
Some international observers saw the fact that Hezbollah had survived the Israeli assault, despite the asymmetrical power balance, as a PR victory for the group.
In Israel, the war has since come to be seen as a military failure for its inability to disarm or destroy Hezbollah.
A commission of inquiry subsequently appointed by the Israeli government, the Winograd Commission, labelled the war a “missed opportunity” and revealed shortcomings in Israel’s decision-making processes. Another missed opportunity, failure and shortcomings -- Strike 1 Strike 2 Many in the Israeli security establishment rued what they saw as a missed historic opportunity in September 2003 when they had planes ready to bomb a house where the entire Hamas leadership was holding a meeting.
After furious argument in the military chain of command, the air force used a precision missile fired into the presumed meeting room, rather than flattening the whole building with a hail of bombs, out of concern for civilian casualties.
They picked the wrong room and the Hamas leaders survived. Israel -- Three Strikes and you're out! Please! Strike while the Iron is hot. Please! Not another missed opportunity
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Danon reaffirms, in his closing statement that Israel will take any necessary measures to protect its citizens and bring displaced families back home and who? is protecting the innocent Palestinian citizens and bringing the displaced Palestinian families "being shunted between 'safe' zones multiple times" back home?Well said
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In other Islamic/Muslim Military Related News.... At least 77 people are killed and more than 255 others are injured in Mali An al-Qaeda-linked group has said it was behind an early morning attack in the Malian capital, Bamako. Armed men targeted a military training school and other areas in the city, the authorities said, blaming “a group of terrorists” for the assault. Jihadist group Jama'at Nusrat al-Islam wal Muslimin (JNIM) claimed responsibility, saying it had inflicted heavy human and material losses. https://apnews.com/article/sahel-is...burkina-cb640f8f2a59db08c9ba3dce86ede5a9
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