Anyone have one or plan on posting one in the near future?

We will be creating one down the pike a bit. We've been putting them up from different cities. Chicago will be coming

From BH forum

Senior Members (All are confirmed as "made" or due to seniority and available information can reasonably be identified as such):
Joseph "The Builder" Andriacchi/87
Frank "Toots" Caruso/74 - 26th Street
Salvatore "Solly D" DeLaurentis/81
Rudolph "Rudy" Fratto/76 - Elmwood Park
James "Jimmy I" Inendino/77 - Cicero
Albert "Albie" Vena/71 - Grand Avenue

Additional members who are confirmed as "made" or can be reasonably be identified as such based on available information:
Bruno Caruso/74
Salvatore "Sally C" Cataudella/66
Nicholas "Jumbo" Guzzino/77*
Michael "Mags" Magnafichi/56*
John "Pudgy" Matassa, Jr./68*
Michael "Big Mike" Spano, Sr./78

Individuals who are not confirmed as made but have been cited as such by "non-official" sources:
Robert "Bobby the Boxer" Abbinanti/64
Robert "Gabeet" Bellavia/79
Leo Caruso/76
Nicholas "Nicky C" Cataudella/58
Joseph "Joe Kong" Cullotta/72
Anthony Dote/67
Gary Gagliano/75
Rocco Lombardo/78
Alphonse Mitria/70
Robert "Pinocchio" Panozzo/59 (IP 6/16/2026)
Lawrence "Larry" Pettit/91
Christopher Spina/67
Michael "Neff" Talarico/66

Imprisoned Members:
James "Jimmy the Man" Marcello/75 (IP/L)
Michael "Big Mike" Sarno/61 (10/25/2032)

Solly D is crazy active on facebook. It's pretty funny.

How about Bobby Dominic who runs Richards Bar for Albie Vena? Shouldn't he be on that list?

Youngest guy on the list is 56, nobody else less than 66, seems like they need some new blood?

17 of those listed are above 70. 11 over 75, They will be disappearing over the next 5 years. Time to replenish the ranks a little bit.

Agreed. I know the next guy in line to take over the operation more than likely will be Nick Ferriola. He makes the most sense, is loyal (Not a rat) and old school in his mindset just like his father before him. He would make a good boss in my opinion and is only 45 years old.

Bumping this thread to start up some much needed Outfit conversation.

What are we looking at right now?

i think when it comes to discussions on the outfit we need to establish in 2024 what it actually looks like in regards to structure, membership, crews and territory and any criminal alliances inside chicago. by that i'm thinking some of the street gangs the outfit has been allied with and has used as recruiting pools like 12th street players etc. is there any continuing collaboration with these gangs, have they and there territory been absorbed by the outfit, any alliances with any of the many chicago street gangs or for that matter any other organized criminal group in chicago area(outlaws mc?) as an example.

i keep saying in chicago and that is also important. what if any CREDIBLE current proof is there of the chicago outfit operating crews outside the state of illinois? or of having any influence in cities outside illinois? so if one were to do a chart i would hope it will dispense with claims of rudy fratto being 'the link' to the cleveland mafia or go forbid controlling rackets in iowa. i think this is important as well because if we cannot describe or try to figure out just what is going on in the chicago area, anything else is irrelevant.

and what to make of the street crews? the most recent intell says the outfit continues to have 4 crews( cicero, elmwood park, 26th st, grand avenue) or maybe 2 large crews/small families, no its just cicero with some other loosely allied older members, perhaps there is still action in chicago heights??? and on and on. in the last few years i have come across more ideas about crews and structure (mine included) with little to no consensus. there is still no agreement on if even the elmwood park crew exists, was disbanded under john difronzo or now what remains of it is under the grand avenue crew, which may not even exist according to some. there is still no consensus on if john difronzo was even ever BOSS?

now i know some members on here will claim that these questions have all been answered either on here or elsewhere on the interweb or in books and that may be true. but what has not changed is the charts and how they present this info. as an example i have never come across a chart by anyone showing john monteleone as BOSS. when i say BOSS this to me means there is noone above monteleone on the chart. same can be said to the claims about sarno being BOSS, ones i do not believe, but none the less never seen it in any form.

the structure and admin of the outfit may also need to be questioned in 2024. there has been an ongoing discussion on here about if a consigliere position exists in the outfit today if ever. it has become over the years an easy place to put members we know little about criminally, think recently deceased joe andriacchi. i think we can agree there is a BOSS position, most claim this is held by salvatore delaurentis and has been for at least a decade. is there an underboss? or 2? or 2 powerful street bosses running 2 powerful factions? below delaurentis is there now 3-4 capos or is there no structure left and its a total free for all? i will add as well that some qualifying criteria may have to be established as well. couple months ago the topic of gigi rovito came up as to whether or not he was a member. what if we had i dont know a check list, has alleged member ever been arrested, arrested with known outfit members or associates, arrested committing a crime common to the outfit in an area known to be in control by the outfit, caught under surveillance, been sent to prison at all etc. to this simply being the relative of a living outfit member or even an old long dead one does not denote membership. lastly is there a distinction between members and associates or at this stage is there even a distinction. the outfit historically has not cared who you were ethnically as long as u made money, kept yer mouth shut and did what bosses told ya to do i cant see why this would all of a sudden change, and i dont think if the outfit plans to continue on they have the luxury its all hands on deck.

all important questions that cant be glossed over when discussing the outfit or any family really.

I think its too early for us to know the Outfits current state and hierarchy. We only have speculations made by paying sites and shit, but we also have several cases from the past several years regarding alleged Outfit-connected guys. I dont remember if gov investigators labelled Gagliano as a soldier or capo, but if they did, than who is above him or bellow? Lets start from here...

TD you went right where i hoped someone would, my thoughts exactly. how could anyone ever know a current state accurately and how could one get to that accuracy without first building successive charts over the years. so the case may be that we need to go back a few years pick a point in time and go from there. the info about gagliano came about from the jennifer nesbitt escort case 2015/2016 from the michael frontier gambling bust transcripts. charts are always going to be years behind because we just dont know enough right away to build one.

i think as well it helps to put rank and position aside briefly and see who is connected to whom based on the evidence we know. back to gagliano info from frontier case there seems to be evidence that he was in a position above frontier, gene cassano and possibly anthony dote with nesbitt paying gagliano a street tax. thats pretty good info concerning the outfit in the late 2010s i think and nothing has been shown on any chart i know of. also the indictment info actually says elmwood park crew which again is good info.

so putting aside rank could this structure be....
2015/2016
elmwood park crew
gary gagliano
anthony dote

gene cassano
michael frontier

paying street tax
jennifer nesbitt (high end escort madame)

of the above 5, 4 of them have criminal records fairly recently with dotes coming years back for leading marco d'amicos gambling crew, or one of them. to take nothing else away from this info it shows that the outfit was still involved in sports gambling and collecting a street tax circa 2015/2016.

it does not show a sprawling nationwide criminal group as the outfit was in the past, but it does agree with evidence we do have which is the outfit being now a more chicago based, low key smaller group with still somekind of structure and existing street crews.

https://www.americannewspost.com/josephfosco/8910/mafia-report-chicago-outfit-addendum-three-3/

an alternative perspective on the possible structure and make up of the outfit around time of difronzos release (1994) into early 2000s. i dont know yet if i believe the difronzo was a high level informant rumors, leaving that aside for now the description of how the outfit could have been operating is not exclusive to fosco. i know from reading near every anp article and comments that fosco clearly was biased and had an axe to grind against more than a few people in chicago that he felt did him wrong. but in those sometimes 300-600 comment sections there is a lot of good information and charts posted by some in chicago who were in the know, i recall boka breeze being very tuned into these things.

a question i have for the above scenario by joe fosco is where does grand avenue fit in this case, it goes unmentioned. were they with cicero and under monteleone? or with joe lombardo who was on good terms with difronzos just not 'benched'?

it has been made clear that 26th street/chinatown would have fallen under monteleone.

Just a speculation which might hold water....Grand might be together with EP as one group. All of those previous connections such as Lombardo and Andriacchi, or Lombardo and DeBiase, or Cerone and the DiFronozos, contributed to the close connections between the two crews and in fact, there was already a connection between the old Grand/Melrose Park and EP crews, mainly because most of the old EP guys started around Grand. As for the "new" Cicero-Chinatown group or crews, I think that I already made a lot of posts about it in the past and so Ill say it again, meaning both crews were formed from the old Buccieri group (Torello and LaPietra), and in fact LaPietra sponsored members both from Cicero and Chinatown. Thats why I believe that we have the same picture even today. There were some cases years ago regarding Chi Heights and NW Indiana, and some people said that they were allegedly "Outfit related" and they also mentioned the Cicero crew, which fits with the previous information regarding they taking over those areas after the "deaths" of both the old Chi Heights, Indiana and North Side crews. In fact, the old Buccieri/Cicero crew wanted those two areas under their rule since the 1960s when Frank LaPorte was still around.

1992 in the outfit was an important year i think for a few reasons.

there were a couple important natural deaths, accardo in may and vincent solano in november. accardos passing allows going forward to finally dispense with guessing as to his involvement, role and title if any in outfit affairs. it appears that the consensus is accardo although the last link to old days of outfit was not really involved in last years of his life and perhaps was not being counselled on everything by the top leaders, especially sam carlisi the BOSS. i recently read up on the relationship between carlisi and the outfits UNDERBOSS john difronzo in the 1986-1992 era and it doesnt paint a picture of one big unified outfit. you can almost use 1986 as a starting point where the crews that allied with these 2 top leaders began to drift apart. there is the story of dominic senese a union leader and relative of accardos who was shotgunned in 1989. it is said carlisi went ahead with this hit attempt, senese survived, without consulting accardo or difronzo. it is alleged this led to an angry confrontation at difronzos birthday party with carlisi. no open warfare ever broke out between the 2 as we know perhaps owing to accardo being alive still, and did not after his death for legal reasons more than anything.

with the death of solano in nov 1992 the rush street crew ceased to be part of the outfit admin/structure, if not before. the rush street crew does not appear to be very active leading up to 1992 and no big indictments or arrests happened after. i do not know who or which crew took over any territory in the rush st crew area and it looks like there main racket was corrupting LIUNA locals.

the outfit jan.1 1992
BOSS
SAM CARLISI
1. melrose park crew (direct with carlisi)
capo
james marcello- leader in chicago of the melrose park crew and possibly street boss for carlisi/outfit. making marcello #3 in all of outfit.

UNDERBOSS
JOHN DIFRONZO
peter difronzo- brother and messenger/#2.

2. elmwood park crew (direct with difronzo)
capo
joseph andriacchi or marco d'amico?

3. grand avenue crew
capo
vincent cozzo or anthony centracchio?

4. rush street crew
capo
vincent solano

5. cicero crew
capo
ernest infelise - indicted feb 1990 along with almost all cicero crew.

6. 26th st/chinatown
capo
james lapietra

7. chicago heights crew
capo
dominick palermo - under indictment since dec 1990, eventually sentenced mar. 27 1992 to 32 years in prison.

back to why this seems important, to me anyway. the narrative of the outfit having 6-7 crews then consolidating to 4 or 3 or whatever needs to be challenged. i am not saying something along these lines didnt happen, it did but not all at once. i think by jan.1 1993 if one were making a proper chart the rush st crew and any reference to it needs to be gone as well as chi hts never to be placed on a chart or list again. with this being said the crew number first goes from 7 to 5.

another question i have is what took place amongst the cicero and 26th st crews after death of ferriola. the current explanation about ferriola is that he was never boss, ub,sb or part of top admin but the south side boss/street boss, not sure of title to give. the south side group encompassed both cicero and 26th street in one large group and had been this way going back to fiore buccieri. so we have turk torello from 1973-1979, angelo lapietra 1979-1986 and ferriola 1986-1989. after ferriolas death who if anyone took over as south side boss? or did crews divide creating 2 autonomous crews who continued to work closely together? some info has infelise as the outfits #3 after 1989, but this comes from the belief that ferriola was boss or underboss. there is good evidence that john monteleone took this title again south side boss but a little later 1993/1994 not 1989.was this a decision by carlisi? did marcello have any influence over these crews? its a bit of a dark spot.

other important events in 1992 include;
jan.10 1992 indictment of both carlisi and difronzo in the rincon casino case.
nov.13 1992 release of joe lombardo.
dec. 15 1992 indictment of carlisi, marcello and entirety of melrose park crew.

from info i have found it looks like difronzo paid a bond and was released same day as arrest jan 1992. so he continued to be on the street in chicago. carlisi by this time was not spending much time in chicago mostly residing in florida, leaving marcello as his man in chicago. the 2 top men in the city then were difronzo and marcello.

i realize that alot of this has been covered before and likely is common knowledge to many on this forum, but as i said weeks ago it does not show up in charts. and if we are trying to both figure out this ever interesting outfit and how it is structured we need to go back a little in time. moving forward with this the structure will change of course the outfit has never been static, also at some point our good info will run out with the evidence. i do not know which year that will be but we must start somewhere.

any and all help needed, comments, critiques etc.

Anyone with any information on Carlisi getting locked up? It is my understanding that he was very careful about wiretaps and even during the trial they were was no wiretap evidence of him. The other evidence was pretty weak too. You could make the same claim I suppose for family secrets, but there was so much media and hype around that trial that none of those guys really had a chance.

Lenny Patrick and Rainone were two of the prime informants against Carlisi, Marcello and Alex. For example, Patrick was funneling one associate known as Gary Edwards (also became informant) with illegal payments which went straight to Carlisi and thats just one of the connections for which the feds were able to create a case against him. The same tactic was also used against Marcello and Alex.



@Vito here's one chart that I made long time ago regarding that era....I hope it still helps....the original size is too big to be uploaded and so, save it first and then zoom it....I think you will be able to read the names...

thanks TD, as usual very good stuff.

Lenny Patrick and Rainone were two of the prime informants against Carlisi, Marcello and Alex. For example, Patrick was funneling one associate known as Gary Edwards (also became informant) with illegal payments which went straight to Carlisi and thats just one of the connections for which the feds were able to create a case against him. The same tactic was also used against Marcello and Alex.

If memory serves, you did an article on this, no? I'll have to find and read it.

You're welcome bud and thank you, too.




Yup, here it is...The "Jewish Arm" of The Chicago Outfit -Lenny Patrick from 2015......

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=833753

That might be my favorite one. Lots of good info in there. The Outfit post the Vegas skim case is fascinating to me.

Is Lawrence "Larry" Pettit still alive? Is he the oldest member in the Outfit?

He died in 2020

Same here and I know that some older posters might start saying "Heres TD who thinks that the non-Itals were made guys" lol lol, but fuck it since my own favorite articles are regarding Patrick, Alex, Larner and Patton, even though I already wrote a lot more projects regarding the Italians lol

well gentlemen dear god say a prayer have a drink or puff i am attempting a chart upload. so far havent thrown computer across room or broke in half, thanks to a much better tech educated wife.

if this dont work i apologize in advance. also these and hopefully more to come are not sexy in the least, forewarned they look nothing like many better looking charts out there but i focused more on the information.

https://postimg.cc/WFnCqZmX/83fd48dd
https://postimg.cc/QKdPQM0s

Good job @Vito but I personally have a different opinion regarding Cozzo and D'Amico....in fact, some researchers still speculate if D'Amico was allegedly an official made guy...I personally think he was but was probably made after 1992 or like before or after his prison term and later was possibly bumped to a higher position....as for Cozzo, I think Centracchio was before him, meaning 1992 is a little bit early for Cozzo....

Button or not, those guys were huge parts of The Outfit, especially Alex. He may as well of been made. He was respected across the country.

i tend to agree and was faced with a coin toss on both really. from the centracchio indictment it states he succeeded louie eboli as crew leader, i guess i should have ran with that. plus the fact centracchio was leading a very active crew unlike cozzo, bingo hall scams aside.

with d'amico after reading his and dote/scalise indictments it showed that d'amico et al were running a big gambling op for a long time, late 70's into 90s. but i suppose if d'amico was indeed the leader it was at a more street level using anthony dote as his #2.

unrelated to the above but i also found some talk about carlisi's want to hit joe difronzo after the ill fated grow op bust. if true it adds to the narrative that he and john difronzo really did not like each other. i know the outfit had a rule against drug dealing...kinda, but although the grow op was the biggest in illinois for the time this was not high level by any standard. it also seems more like difronzo was using coffey and others to grow pot as a way for them to pay back debt, not a straight up "new" racket for the outfit.

i was also able to find from a chicago trib article/obit on carlisi that he was indeed imprisoned after his dec. 15 1992 arrest as a flight risk. carlisi then would have been in jail of some kind until the day he died.

i'm gonna keep working these charts out and try to post every so often, again all input is welcome there is alot of knowledge on GBB.

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Thats right, although I wouldnt say officially made but instead, they had power over made guys and were also able to demote them or to strip them off from their operations. If a made guy kicks up to a non-Ital boss....that obviously means something.