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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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10/20/24 01:23 AM
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Seems as though the vast majority of these killings weren't even mob hits, so is it really a mob war? Be pretty badass if someone could make a list of murders that were actually confirmed to be Mafia hits vs the ones that aren't. Which ones you referencing? To say the majority doesn’t seem mob related has me wondering because most of the higher profile mobsters up there that got killed in the last 10 years were definitely mob related Lol ignore the drug addicts in here
But you had to play it cool, had to do it your way Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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10/20/24 03:13 AM
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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10/31/24 02:07 PM
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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to the la presse story on nicola spagnolo, what else would we expect him to say in order to gain parole? blame booze, upbringing etc. but perhaps there is also some truth in what he is saying about his level of involvement in the milieu. he certainly has a longer rap sheet than his father...who had none. none of nicolas arrests though show any direct high level mafia activity or leadership role. he was long mentioned as a member of 'the table', a leadership group who is alleged to have taken over after VITOS death in 2013. but in order to be a member of any admin he would have to have some kind of defined role/territory and position. all these years later despite my best efforts i can find none.
however nicola must have assumed some level of authority in order to make it on the hit list menu of the scoppa bros circa 2016. it was his placement on this 'menu' that caused the accidental murder of his father vincenzo in oct 2016.
so did nicola become a point of contact or acting leader of somekind with arrests of leonardo rizzuto and stefano sollecito in 2015 and murder of rocco sollecito in may 2016? by point of contact i mean did nicola take charge of insuring money owed continued to be collected and delivered to L. rizzuto. spagnolo really only fits into what i have referred to as the rizzuto cell along with charlie renda, someone who also showed up on scoppa hit list.
between time of rocco sollecitos murder and vincenzo spagnolos (may 2016-oct 2016) who else could we say that was looking after interests of the extended rizzuto family?
L. rizzuto was imprisoned after M-M bust nov 2015. s. sollecito was also imprisoned nov 2015 but was granted bail in june 2016, and likely under heavy surveillance if not house arrest plus sick with cancer. r. sollecito, murdered may 2016. liborio cuntrera and marco pizzi both arrested may 2016.
so who else would rizzuto cell turn to in this time that could be trusted 100% but the son of someone that both nick sr. and VITO trusted the same.
the only other names are charlie renda and liborio cuntrera. renda again is related to rizzuto family, was also on hitlist and could be trusted. cuntrera although with charges he was facing related to cocaine importation (albeit from a short period of time in 2011) fits into this role as well being the son of long time rizzuto allie agostino, was on scoppa hitlist and trusted. cuntrera however was likely also under heavy surveillance or house arrest after may 2016 indictment and arrest not being free of charges until march 2017. making him, much like sollecito a harder target to take out putting responsibility on both renda and spagnolo.
so im thinking nicola likely held some importance during rizzutos imprisonment 2015-2018 in order to maintain steady flow of money. the question then is did this role continue with release of rizzuto and charges being dropped against him and stefano.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/07/24 11:34 PM
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/12/24 05:16 PM
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to the la presse story on nicola spagnolo, what else would we expect him to say in order to gain parole? blame booze, upbringing etc. but perhaps there is also some truth in what he is saying about his level of involvement in the milieu. he certainly has a longer rap sheet than his father...who had none. none of nicolas arrests though show any direct high level mafia activity or leadership role. he was long mentioned as a member of 'the table', a leadership group who is alleged to have taken over after VITOS death in 2013. but in order to be a member of any admin he would have to have some kind of defined role/territory and position. all these years later despite my best efforts i can find none.
however nicola must have assumed some level of authority in order to make it on the hit list menu of the scoppa bros circa 2016. it was his placement on this 'menu' that caused the accidental murder of his father vincenzo in oct 2016.
so did nicola become a point of contact or acting leader of somekind with arrests of leonardo rizzuto and stefano sollecito in 2015 and murder of rocco sollecito in may 2016? by point of contact i mean did nicola take charge of insuring money owed continued to be collected and delivered to L. rizzuto. spagnolo really only fits into what i have referred to as the rizzuto cell along with charlie renda, someone who also showed up on scoppa hit list.
between time of rocco sollecitos murder and vincenzo spagnolos (may 2016-oct 2016) who else could we say that was looking after interests of the extended rizzuto family?
L. rizzuto was imprisoned after M-M bust nov 2015. s. sollecito was also imprisoned nov 2015 but was granted bail in june 2016, and likely under heavy surveillance if not house arrest plus sick with cancer. r. sollecito, murdered may 2016. liborio cuntrera and marco pizzi both arrested may 2016.
so who else would rizzuto cell turn to in this time that could be trusted 100% but the son of someone that both nick sr. and VITO trusted the same.
the only other names are charlie renda and liborio cuntrera. renda again is related to rizzuto family, was also on hitlist and could be trusted. cuntrera although with charges he was facing related to cocaine importation (albeit from a short period of time in 2011) fits into this role as well being the son of long time rizzuto allie agostino, was on scoppa hitlist and trusted. cuntrera however was likely also under heavy surveillance or house arrest after may 2016 indictment and arrest not being free of charges until march 2017. making him, much like sollecito a harder target to take out putting responsibility on both renda and spagnolo.
so im thinking nicola likely held some importance during rizzutos imprisonment 2015-2018 in order to maintain steady flow of money. the question then is did this role continue with release of rizzuto and charges being dropped against him and stefano. Alleged Montreal Mafia member Nicola Spagnolo denied parole https://montrealgazette.com/news/crime/alleged-montreal-mafia-member-nicola-spagnolo-denied-parole
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/29/24 07:22 AM
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Confessions of Frederick Silva A “federation” to sow death among the Hells Former hitman Frédérick Silva turned his back on the law in 2022, after years of being at the forefront of the war waged by Montreal organized crime. Since then, he has been telling investigators about his criminal career, claiming responsibility for 13 murders, according to his confessions, which La Presse has been able to see. He explains that a team of assassins – called “the Federation” – had been formed to protect the Rizzuto mafia clan and drive the Hells Angels out of Montreal. The motivations of Silva and his group could be compared to those of Dave Turmel, who started a rebellion against the Hells Angels in the eastern part of the province two years later. "In our opinion, the Hells Angels no longer have a place here [in Montreal]. They work poorly and are no longer relevant to today's reality in big cities," explained Frédérick Silva to investigators from the Montreal Police Service (SPVM) tasked with collecting his confessions. The Hells Angels that we wanted to assassinate, they are no longer relevant, you know. These are people who no longer have any connection in big cities […] They don't understand how it works. So we wanted to change that whole way. Statement by Frédérick Silva to SPVM investigators In the Federation, we said: […] We're going to kill a lot of Hells Angels. And then, our primary goal was, while we're killing them, we're going to push them out of Montreal and the surrounding area, and we're going to take all the territories," said Silva. We have everything to succeed in our project, because we are able to self-sufficient with cocaine imports, teams of killers to wage war and eliminate the competition. We also have teams of arms, teams of managers and drug sellers, to manage trafficking in the territories. Statement by Frédérick Silva to SPVM investigators Generals of Killer Regiments The Federation had two main goals: to eliminate its enemies and those of the Rizzuto family and, eventually, to drive the Hells Angels out of Montreal. It consisted of four "generals" of hit teams, including Silva and Gregory Woolley, who had been an ally of the Hells in the past, and other individuals such as Samy Tamouro. Woolley and Tamouro were assassinated in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu and Mexico in the fall of 2023. A list of individuals to kill Silva also revealed that his committee had a list of several enemies to kill, which included individuals linked to the Calabrian mafia. We were, in our opinion, the organization that was going to change traditional organized crime known in Quebec. Statement by Frédérick Silva to SPVM investigators "We were all people who had experienced disappointments with different organizations like the Hells Angels, the mafia or any gangs. We were all abandoned by people in the past, had false promises, etc. It had to change, otherwise it would lead to our loss or our death," he added. Don't touch the family Silva organized the 2014 murder of kingpin Joseph Ducarme — the contract was for $250,000 — and says he became a member of the Rizzuto family the next day. Joseph, who was feared by the Rizzutos according to Silva, was suspected of involvement in the December 2009 murder of Nick Rizzuto, Vito Rizzuto's eldest son. Silva describes the former godfather's other son, Leonardo, as "the flag, the prince and the bank" of the Sicilian clan. In 2022, Silva said that the Montreal mafia no longer appointed "men of honor" and that the war between Sicilians and Calabrians was still not over. Frédérick Silva summed up the impact of certain score-settling in the criminal world as follows: "It's a form of respect in the street to show that if you touch the family, one day or another, you will pay with your life. It shows that even if it takes years, you will still die when you touch the family." "It's very, very rare that you're going to get through this," he predicted. https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...on-pour-semer-la-mort-chez-les-hells.php
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/29/24 08:42 AM
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/29/24 09:03 AM
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Del Baso was italian and was a member of the Rizzuto clan. While Silva (don’t know his origin), it seem he wqs saying he became closer to the Rizzuto’s and part of the group of Sollecito, Rizzuto, Woolley etc. Not a mafia guy, but a really close associate. Just like what Woollley was But Silva has connected his involvement in Ducarme Joseph’s murder with becoming a member of the Rizzuto "family" the very next day aftet Kenny was killed: Silva a organisé le meurtre du caïd Ducarme Joseph commis en 2014 – le contrat était de 250 000 $ – et dit être devenu membre de la famille Rizzuto dès le lendemain. I think family is more like part of the crew.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/29/24 09:15 AM
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You really have to admire the Rizzutos, they are resilient as hell. They've been under assault for 15 years straight and they're still going. They've survived Desjardins, Montagna, Mirarchi, many of their own people switching sides, the Scoppa bros, street gangs and the HA attacking them, they've survived the death of Vito and the death of Rocco and Giordano, Wooley being killed, Silva turning snitch, Steve Sauce being disabled by cancer. They're probably making a fraction of the money they used to make.
But even with many people lined up against them they still can't put them down for good, now matter how much of a beating they take they always strike back, they always have another play. Chit Del Balso being clipped(by a sniper no less) shows that, you can never discount them.
If they survive whatever prosecution comes out of Silva's testimony I have a hunch this is eventually going to end with Martin Robert getting clipped. It wouldn't surprise me at this point.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/29/24 09:46 AM
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Del Baso was italian and was a member of the Rizzuto clan. While Silva (don’t know his origin), it seem he wqs saying he became closer to the Rizzuto’s and part of the group of Sollecito, Rizzuto, Woolley etc. Not a mafia guy, but a really close associate. Just like what Woollley was But Silva has connected his involvement in Ducarme Joseph’s murder with becoming a member of the Rizzuto "family" the very next day aftet Kenny was killed: Silva a organisé le meurtre du caïd Ducarme Joseph commis en 2014 – le contrat était de 250 000 $ – et dit être devenu membre de la famille Rizzuto dès le lendemain. I think family is more like part of the crew. I agree.
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