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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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From: Reuters November 13, 2024 Israeli strikes pound Lebanon, Hezbollah strikes back
Israel says it takes out most Hezbollah infrastructure in Dahiyeh
Israel has dealt Hezbollah heavy blows, killing many of its leaders, including Hassan Nasrallah, flattening large areas of the southern suburbs, destroying border villages in the south and striking more widely across Lebanon.
Hezbollah attacks have killed about 100 civilians and soldiers in northern Israel, the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, and southern Lebanon over the last year, according to Israel.
Hezbollah late on Tuesday said its forces had killed more than 100 Israeli soldiers since October 1
In a statement, Hezbollah said that since that date it had forced an Israeli retreat from several towns in southern Lebanon, without naming them, and promised more strikes against Israeli military targets.
Israel's military said that Hezbollah fired 55 projectiles into Israel on Tuesday.
From: ABC News November 14, 2024 6 Israeli soldiers were killed in combat in Lebanon on Wednesday, the Israel Defense Forces said. 8 people were killed in an Israeli air strike on a village south of Beirut, as Israel's military continued an offensive against Hezbollah.
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From: Firstpost November 12, 2024
Iran Talking about Iran, the Israeli defense minister Israel Katz said that their nuclear sites are more vulnerable than ever, following Israel’s airstrikes on its air defence sites.
The Times of Israel quoted Katz as saying, “Iran today is more exposed than ever to damage to its nuclear facilities. There is a possibility to achieve the most important goal, to thwart and remove the threat of annihilation from hanging over the State of Israel”
Hezbollah Pummeled by Israel’s offensive, Hezbollah said political contacts were under way involving its backers in Tehran, Washington and Moscow whilst also saying it had enough weapons for a “long war” and keeping up rocket fire into Israel.
In Jerusalem, Israeli Foreign Minister Gideon Saar said the war against Hezbollah was not yet over. The main challenge facing any ceasefire deal would be enforcement though there was “a certain progress” in talks.
Hopes of a Gaza truce have meanwhile suffered a setback, with Qatar suspending its mediation role.
Ignited by the Gaza war, the conflict at the Lebanese-Israeli border had been rumbling on for a year before Israel went on the offensive in late September pounding wide areas of Lebanon with airstrikes and sending troops into the south.
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Six Golani Brigade soldiers fell in combat in southern LebanonThe Jerusalem Post 13 November 2024 Extracts: 1. Over 90 rockets fired at Haifa area in two barrages; homes, cars damaged in multiple impacts, Monday 2. Nesher kindergarten targeted by Hezbollah drones, Tuesday 3. Two civilians killed, two wounded as a result of a direct hit from Hezbollah rockets, in Nahariya, Tuesday 4. Six Golani soldiers fell in southern Lebanon, the IDF announced, Wednesday evening 5. Hezbollah fires 40 rockets towards Israeli territory 6. five rockets fired from Lebanon into central Israel and the Carmel area 7. IDF kills four Hezbollah field commanders 8. IDF announces four more soldiers dead in Gaza 9. IDF says, has destroyed most of Hezbollah underground Beirut rocket facilities IAF successfully intercepts four drones from Lebanon IAF successfully intercepted four UAVs that were approaching Israeli territory from Lebanon, the military announced on Wednesday IAF fighter jets strike Syrian transfer routes used to move weapons to Hezbollah from Iran
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Six Golani Brigade soldiers fell in combat in southern LebanonThe Jerusalem Post 13 November 2024 Extracts: - Hezbollah field commander - Muhammad Musa Salah
In early October, the Israel Air Force (IAF) conducted a strike that killed Muhammad Musa Salah, Hezbollah’s field commander in the Khiam area, the military confirmed on Wednesday Salah was responsible for directing multiple terrorist attacks against Israel and had overseen the launch of over 2,500 projectiles targeting the Golan Heights, Upper Galilee and IDF forces operating in southern Lebanon - Hezbollah “Nasser Unit” commander - Ayman Muhammad Nabulsi
In a recent strike this week (Sunday) in southern Lebanon, the IDF killed Ayman Muhammad Nabulsi, the newly appointed commander of the Hezbollah “Nasser Unit” IDF strikes Hezbollah launchers in Lebanon, Hamas sites in Gaza following attacks on Israel The terror group launched multiple projectiles into Israel over the last day, the IDF announced on Wednesday 1. Sirens also sounded in the Tel Aviv and Gush Dan region but no injuries were reported. 2. IDF and Shin Bet (ISA) continue targeted Gaza operations against October 7, 2023 attackers 3. IDF intercepts drone from Lebanon in Upper Galilee area 4. Ramming attack reported outside the Arab village of Dayr Qadis, near Modi'in Illit, in the West Bank 5. Two terrorists were eliminated in Tulkarm in the West Bank, one defined as a "senior terrorist" One rocket was launched from the northern Gaza Strip, triggering alerts in Nir Am, a Gaza border community, the military stated on Wednesday evening The rocket did not cross into Israeli territory and fell inside the Gaza Strip
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Expert urges Israel to target civilian infrastructure in Lebanon's 'Hezbollah state'The Jerusalem Post by Yonah Jeremy Bob 13 November 2024 Extracts: Expert urges Israel to target civilian infrastructure in Lebanon's 'Hezbollah state' - interview Hezbollah’s drones were “ultimately” the terrorist organization’s “trump card” despite rockets being employed as their “main weapons” Israel should “target the civilian infrastructure of the ‘Hezbollah state’ emphasized head of the Alma Research and Education Center and Middle East expert Tal Beeri, during an interview on Radio 104.5FM During the interview, Beeri spoke about data indicating a significant increase in rocket launches toward northern Israel since the start of the ground maneuver in southern Lebanon Beeri after stressing his opinion on how the IDF should conduct its operations in Lebanon, Beeri explained, ”I emphasize the 'Hezbollah state' This includes their electricity, fuel and water infrastructures”
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UK Prime Minister rebukes MP who accused Israel of genocideIsrael National News 13 November 2024 Extracts: British Member of Parliament, Ayoub Khan [Independent Alliance] asked Prime Minister Keir Starmer why the Starmer government has not classified Israel's war as a genocide, to which Starmer answered: “I'm well aware of the definition of genocide and that is why I've never referred to it as one” Being that Starmer and his Defence Secretary David Lammy have rejected the accusations of genocide before, Khan requested that the Prime Minister, “share his definition of genocide with this House” Starmer retorted: "It would be wise to start a question like that by reference to what happened in October of last year” to which the members of Starmer's party applauded Starmer continued: “I'm well aware of the definition of genocide and that is why I've never referred to it as genocide”
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- What Would You Have Israel Do, to Defend Itself?
Israel At War - Day 406There seems to be a broad consensus about the war, structured around two propositions after the attacks of October 7, 2023 1. First - Israel has the right to defend itself and defeat the terrorists2. Second - the way Israel is doing this is “over the top” The vast number of dead and starving civilian casualties are gut wrenching, the devastation is overwhelming and it’s hard not to see it all as indiscriminate and the hostage situation -- which leads to an obvious question: 1. If the current Israeli military approach is inhumane, what is the alternative? 2. Is there an alternate strategy Israel can use, to defeat the terrorists without a civilian blood bath? 3. Is there a way to fight this terror war that won’t leave Israel isolated? - Israel’s approach to the conflict
The thorniest reality that comes up is that this war is like no other / few others because the crucial theater is underground In other words, in this war, the terrorists are often underground, the Israelis are above ground and the terrorists seek to position civilians directly between them Their terror strategy -- ‘human camouflage’ and more ruthlessly ‘human ammunition’
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How Israel and Trump Can Win the War and Shape Middle East PolicyJINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024 Middle East solved !Extracts: - How Israel and the Trump Administration Can Win the War and Shape Middle East Policy
What’s presented here regarding the future is based on what’s acceptable to show in large projects as “success-oriented” meaning an optimistic future that doesn’t consider mistakes and failures Of course, the future isn’t exactly as I [Amidror] have described it but it needs to be painted clearly to understand what to aspire to and what’s right to plan and do After a year of Israel’s brutal war, it’s important to remember that the war didn’t break out because Israel wanted it The war is Israel’s response to Hamas’s barbaric raid on civilian settlements and Hezbollah is the one who opened fire on northern Israel the day after Hamas’s attack - Iran's purpose - Israel’s collapse and destruction
Behind the outbreak of war stood the Iranian dream and practical preparations for its realization, with a clear purpose: to bring about Israel’s collapse and destruction To this end, Iran conceived and implemented the “Ring of Fire” strategy around Israel which included building Hamas’s military capability in Gaza and Hezbollah’s more extensive capability in Lebanon A coordinated campaign from all fronts where terror movements were built with Iranian assistance was supposed to destroy Israel At the same time, Iran was meant to remain behind the scenes 1,500 km away from Israel, without being implicated
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How Israel and Trump Can Win the War and Shape Middle East PolicyJINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024 Middle East solved !Extracts: If Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar had assumed that the Iranians, Hezbollah and the Palestinian Brotherhood in the West Bank would join the war with full force, he made a massive mistake – in many ways, a critical error HamasHowever Sinwar, later killed by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) didn’t wait to implement the Iranian plan and started the war without coordination with other “Ring of Fire” components Perhaps all these factors played a mixed role in his decision – we can’t know for sure - Perhaps Sinwar felt pressured by the advancing talks between Saudi Arabia and Israel destruction
- maybe Sinwar felt a solid religious duty and feared that continued economic progress in Gaza would interfere with his future plans
- or Sinwar might have felt strong and well-prepared – while Israel appeared weak with its army torn apart by internal strife
- The publication of the Israeli laser defense system timeline might have also accelerated Sinwar’s actions
While many Hamas terrorists are still alive in Gaza, Hamas in Gaza is no longer relevant as a threat to Israel However.... Hamas still fights with its remaining forces against the IDF inside the Strip as a guerrilla organization with small coordination capability Still, no one asked themselves how Hamas in Gaza would react to the elimination of Sinwar, its leader Hamas’s only success is, its ability to hold Israeli and other hostages
Days earlier, Israel successfully completed the first phase of the ground operation in Gaza, dismantling and destroying Hamas’s military capabilities -- Hamas still firing.... HezbollahHezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah (also later killed by the IDF) as the senior figure in the “resistance” array against Israel, couldn’t sit idle but also couldn’t risk a major war without preparation and after losing the element of surprise Therefore, Hezbollah joined the fighting minimally and at a high cost as the connection to Gaza affected its decision flexibility Over nearly a year, it lost considerable capabilities, especially in southern Lebanon (secretly, the IDF used this time to prepare for the invasion of Lebanon, including through special forces operating in Lebanese territory) On what we call the “Beeper Night” when those holding the activation mechanism faced a use-it-or-lose-it crisis and decided to push the button – the war in Lebanon also began in full force on Israel’s initiative Thus, with almost perfect timing between sectors, Israel, even if by chance, became free to deal with the threat from the north right before the “Beeper Night”
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How Israel and Trump Can Win the War and Shape Middle East PolicyJINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024 Middle East solved !Extracts: As the new administration enters office in Washington, it’s appropriate to present the nature and goals of Israel’s war in various sectors to clarify where it’s heading in the coming years Amidror hopes these efforts will work together with the new administration The war Israel is conducting operates on four levels: The personal security of Israeli citizens in the Gaza border area, the Galilee and throughout the country Israel’s status in the region and the world Those who wished Israel harm saw October 7, 2023 as the beginning of the end of the Jewish state and Israel lost its status as a regional power Anyone who smelled Israel’s spilled blood and thought to exploit it – needs to see that those who spilled its blood were dismembered and became irrelevant Therefore the war’s results must enable a process of Israel’s return to its status The heart and mind of Muslims in the region This war’s results need to make clear to the world, especially the Muslim world that radical Islamic movements, both Sunni and Shiite, bring disaster to their people and destruction to their believers An Israeli failure would lead to the spread of Islamic struggle beyond the Middle East – “the West is next” isn’t an empty slogan but an action plan This is an inter-axis war so it was important for the US to clarify that it stands beside its ally and that opposing the China-Moscow-Tehran-Hamas-Hezbollah-North Korea axis stands the strong Washington-Jerusalem-Riyadh-Abu Dhabi/Dubai-Jordan axis In the war against Hezbollah, there’s an important additional component: Hezbollah was Iran’s most robust proxy and damaging Hezbollah, the more complex, the better, will also weaken Iran After Iran fired hundreds of missiles of various types toward Israel twice, the actual state of Iran’s military power was revealed and effectively, the Iranian strategy collapsed The “messengers” were severely hurt and are no longer valuable tools in Iran’s hands The Israeli operation on the night of October 26, 2024 in which about 20 targets in Iran were hit, made clear to the Iranians the price of direct confrontation with Israel and Iran’s weakness against the capabilities Israel demonstrated
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How Israel and Trump Can Win the War and Shape Middle East PolicyJINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024 Middle East solved !Extracts: Contrary to claims that no strategic framework can be discerned in Israel’s various actions, it appears that even if no formal policy document describing this was issued, there are guiding principles for Israel’s action, some probably shaped during the war: Israel isn’t operating as in previous wars for “threat postponement” on its borders but based on the understanding that threats must be destroyed (Hamas) or at least drastically change their intensity (Hezbollah) Before entering Gaza, the cabinet’s directive to the military made this very clear - B - Israel's war strategy
Israel prefers to concentrate on one arena as much as possible Therefore Israel decided not to attack a very tempting target in Lebanon in the war’s first week, understanding that priority should be given to fighting in Gaza For this reason, Israel also didn’t hurry to respond strongly to Iran after the significant Iranian attack in April 2024 – because the IDF was very busy in Gaza and the fate of the war in Lebanon wasn’t clear Even for intensive war in Lebanon, the IDF only entered after dismantling Hamas’s military wing, meaning the end of the intensive campaign in Gaza Still, once Israel did, all of Hezbollah’s leadership was destroyed with full force The third principle is not to determine what Israel will do in the future before current achievements enable the implementation of the discussed plan Therefore who would be responsible for the civilian system in Gaza “the day after” wasn’t determined because such a determination would have added an opinionated partner to Gaza’s complicated complex and anyway, no entity can / wants to enter Gaza as long as Hamas isn’t drastically weakened inside the Strip Also, Lebanon’s force that could deal with Hezbollah has yet to rise Therefore due to the same principle, Israel has yet to publish any information about the future of southern Lebanon or what it wants to achieve in the north beyond returning its residents A declaration that outlines a clear direction for the IDF but doesn’t indicate any political characterization The only public declaration was that negotiations would be conducted under fire and no ceasefire for talks Nevertheless Amidror tries to outline what Israel needs to achieve in the end, after the war, despite calls for formal Israeli initiative in Lebanon or Gaza being called into the void without addressees
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How Israel and Trump Can Win the War and Shape Middle East PolicyJINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024 Middle East solved !Extracts: - Gaza - Israel’s goals should be defined as follows:
In Gaza, it’s most important to bring about the release of the hostages by force or agreement In parallel, the IDF needs to “produce” a kind of Area A from the entire Gaza Strip, similar to existing Area A territories in the West Bank although it’s not yet clear who will take the civilian role in Gaza It should be an Arab force that will contribute to rehabilitation, clearing the area of weapons and different education – but security control will remain with the IDF However there will be no Israeli settlement in the Strip - Lebanon - two achievements must be secured:
In Lebanon, Southern Lebanon must be an area with no Hezbollah personnel and no Hezbollah infrastructure—a “buffer zone” mostly without residents and without any entity threatening Israel Amidror believes, the IDF will oversee this as UNIFIL is an organization without capability The buffer zone’s purpose is to prevent flat-trajectory fire toward Israeli settlements and to push Hezbollah’s ground forces beyond the range capable of surprising in the style of October 7 In Lebanon as a whole, the Air Force needs to hit Hezbollah’s firepower and infrastructure severely This is until the organization is reduced to such a low threat level that it allows the creation of a free operation space for the Air Force in an area including both Syria and Lebanon The goal after the war is to continue degrading Hezbollah’s capabilities and not allow it to strengthen - Syria - free operation space for the IAF:
What the IDF did in Syria in the last dozen years needs to be done in the future in both countries as one (extended campaign between wars) In Syria, any discovered Iranian infrastructure must be hit and Assad must be brought to reduce or give up Iranian presence significantly Israel shouldn’t take it upon itself to deal with the Houthi threat or enter a mess with Iraq, despite Iranian militias occasionally operating against it from Iraqi territory - Iraq - warning! operating against Israel:
It’s better to make clear to the Iraqi government that Iraq will pay the price for hosting Iranians operating against Israel Two or three covert operations against economically significant Iraqi facilities will do the desired - Yemen - infrastructure targets:
In Yemen, more infrastructure targets should be treated like the Hodeidah port but no more than that - Iran - multi-year challenge:
Iran is a great challenge for the future, a multi-year challenge The latest attack in Iran was a correct step for now but facing the Iranian challenge, Israel will need to organize itself differently As long as this regime remains in Iran, Israel will know no rest as its commitment to destroy Israel is genuine and sincere
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How Israel and Trump Can Win the War and Shape Middle East PolicyJINSA The Jerusalem Post by IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror 15 November 2024 Middle East solved !Extracts: - How will the future look for Israel?
If Israel continues to act with wisdom, determination and patience – then in about a year, in Amidror's assessment, Gaza will be a threat like that which exists today from Jenin or Tulkarem Galilee residents will return to their homes and the Air Force will operate in Lebanon in the way it operated in Syria during the last dozen years, with Hezbollah occasionally trying to fire individual missiles against Israel – and these will be intercepted by Israel’s defense systems, including by the laser that will enter service and ease (as a complementary means) the economic burden of interception - Iran - serious, intelligent and dangerous enemy
Israel will focus on a long-term campaign against Iran Iran is a serious, intelligent and dangerous enemy at a great distance and therefore the main risk it can create is 1. the one stemming from its missile capability 2. and certainly if it has nuclear weapons in the future The military must concentrate on these two components and undermine the regime Iran must not be allowed to build new or renewed threats around Israel’s borders, even at the cost of war A region where Iran has no strong proxies and Iran itself struggles to deal with long-range warfare against Israel and its allies In Israel’s north as in its south, Israel must invest many resources to build the Gaza envelope and the north of the country in a way that creates a more robust, flourishing and prosperous civilian space The broader diplomatic move should focus on renewing complementary efforts to the “Abraham Accords” meaning expanding Israel’s connections throughout the Middle East and beyond and formalizing them A strong Israel – that emerged from the October 7, 2023 crisis severely hurt its enemies, proved its internal and military strength and renewed its economic prosperity – will be an essential component in building a different Middle East This situation will strengthen the US’s position in the Middle East and allow it to rely on Israel when it needs to focus on other regions in the world As long as the fighting continues, preparing the diplomatic move behind the scenes is right After the end of the military chapter (which needs about a year of exhaustion time in Gaza) it should be developed with great momentum This is where the international community, especially the US can greatly contribute to stabilizing and prospering the Middle East *IDF Major General (retired) Yaakov Amidror is a Distinguished Fellow with the Jewish Institute for National Security of America and former National Security Advisor to Israel’s Prime Minister
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The Times of Israel November 15, 2024 Israel hit nuke weapons research site in Iran last month, set back program — report 'Much harder' for Iran to develop nukes after Parchin strike Strike destroyed equipment used to design explosives for bomb; will have to be replaced if regime seeks to press ahead. Israel’s airstrikes in Iran last month destroyed an active nuclear weapons research facility in Parchin, the Axios news site reported Friday, citing three US officials, one current Israeli official and one former Israeli official. The report came as the UN nuclear watchdog prepares to vote on censuring Iran for refusing to cooperate with its inspectors According to Axios, an Israeli strike on Parchin — part of an hours-long operation on October 26, which came in response to an earlier Iranian attack on Israel — destroyed sophisticated equipment used to design the explosives that could surround uranium in a nuclear device, significantly damaging Iran’s efforts to resume its nuclear weapons research. The Israeli strike “will make it much harder for Iran to develop a nuclear explosive device if it chooses to do so,” Axios cited two Israeli officials saying. Iran would need to “replace the equipment that was destroyed” if it wants to produce nuclear weapons, the report cited the Israeli officials saying, “and if Iran tries to procure it, they believe they will be able to track it,” Axios said.
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- What Would You Have Israel Do, to Defend Itself?
Israel At War - Day 406There seems to be a broad consensus about the war, structured around two propositions after the attacks of October 7, 2023 1. First - Israel has the right to defend itself and defeat the terrorists2. Second - the way Israel is doing this is “over the top” The vast number of dead and starving civilian casualties are gut wrenching, the devastation is overwhelming and it’s hard not to see it all as indiscriminate and the hostage situation -- which leads to an obvious question: 1. If the current Israeli military approach is inhumane, what is the alternative? 2. Is there an alternate strategy Israel can use, to defeat the terrorists without a civilian blood bath? 3. Is there a way to fight this terror war that won’t leave Israel isolated? - Israel’s approach to the conflict
The thorniest reality that comes up is that this war is like no other / few others because the crucial theater is underground In other words, in this war, the terrorists are often underground, the Israelis are above ground and the terrorists seek to position civilians directly between them Their terror strategy -- ‘human camouflage’ and more ruthlessly ‘human ammunition’ Too hard basket question No takers Israel is fighting terrorists in 7 fronted guerilla warfare terrorMissiles Are Pouring Into Israel From All Sides Everyday What alternate strategy could I give you? Israel is the hunted one 1. Israel did not start this war 2. Let them finish the 'job' and fast 3. Let them destroy and defeat the terrorists, for good 4. remove restraints in its warfare, enabling Israel to pursue its war goals freely 5. unwavering Ironclad support for Israeli security 6. No calls for ceasefire 7. No deals with the terrorists 8. Get the hostages back -- How many are alive 9. endless war No more 10. “complete reassessment of US funding of the United Nations” and rid "entrenched antisemitic bias" 11. money for the crucial theater underground -- from UNRWA Everyone berating and isolating Israel, give no alternate strategy
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Everyone berating and isolating Israel, give no alternate strategy True because there isn't any Israel missed their chance to totally destroy Hamas during the 2014 war
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- Arab countries vs Israel
1. Total area of Arab countries 5.07 million square miles Total area of Israel 8,019 square miles 2. So Israel is 0.16% of the Arab countries In other words Arab states combined are 630 times bigger than Israel 3. The Arab countries are 545 times larger in land area and 385 times of Israel in population - Yet carve up Israel....
1. Then again, haven't seen any of the 50odd Muslim countries offering refuge and taking in any Palestinians -- wonder why! 2. They all shut their borders real quick and keep them shut What have Trump administration nominees said about Israel and its wars?Al Jazeera by Brian Osgood 17 November 2024 Extracts: While pro-Israel views are common in US politics, Trump’s picks signal support for far-right Israeli aspirations. - Mike Huckabee, Trump nominee for US ambassador to Israel
18 August 2015 “I would think that if you’re going to visit Israel, you should visit all of Israel And that should include Judea and Samaria” [Biblical term for the West Bank] 31 May 2015I know there are people who think that the smart way to bring peace to the Middle East is to divide Jerusalem up and give away more territory I suggest that the one way to have peace is to make clear that Jerusalem will never be divided and it will be in the hands of Israel” “We never can accept the notion that Israel will be divided that Jerusalem will be carved in half Let us be clear: The boundaries of Israel are not given by the United Nations but by almighty God”
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Extracts: From: The Australian November 18, 2024 Australia is party to UN anti-Israel shame The International Criminal Court has never investigated any dictators, but it has helped them punish their political opponents.
From: skynews.com.au November 17, 2024 Sky News host Rowan Dean has called Foreign Minister Penny Wong “disgusting and disgraceful” for voting against Australia’s ally Israel in a vote recognising ‘permanent sovereignty’ for Palestinians in occupied territory.
From: 9News November 15, 2024 Australia has voted to recognise Palestinians' "permanent sovereignty" over their natural resources in a significant foreign policy shift that breaks with the US and Israel. Please! Trump: tell the US allies, in no uncertain terms that voting against an ally is unacceptable and will not be tolerated Domestic Politics -- We have an election early next year 2025 -- among quite a few others, The Muslim voteExtracts: The Australian Muslim Community is uniting -- against?It is time that the Muslim Vote made the difference The next Federal election signals a shift We [Muslims] will no longer accept being taken for granted Australian Muslims are a powerful, united force of nearly 1 million acting in unison The Muslim Vote alone is capable of forcing the current government into minority government In 2024 [Muslims] are focused on Federal seats where the Muslim vote can influence the outcome
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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CENTCOM -- Why have they not been neutralized? Reuters November 18, 2024 A ship passing through the Red Sea 25 nautical miles west of Al-Mukha, Yemen, reported on Sunday that a missile had splashed into the sea nearby, the United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) agency said.
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Mike Huckabee May 31, 2015: Speaking at an Israel Day concert, Huckabee reflected on his first trip to Israel in 1973 He proceeded to say that Israel had no “better friend in the United States” than him and refuted Palestinian claims to Jerusalem.
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Everyone berating and isolating Israel, give no alternate strategy True because there isn't any Israel missed their chance to totally destroy Hamas during the 2014 war - What Would You Have Israel Do, to Defend Itself?
Ref: my post 15 November 2024 My question was 'plagiarised' from the below -- I am not that clever! What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?The New York Times Opinion by David Brooks *March 24, 2024 As Raphael Cohen, the director of the strategy and doctrine program at the RAND Corporation, wrote in Foreign Policy: “If the international community wants Israel to change strategies in *Gaza then it should offer a viable alternative strategy to Israel’s announced goal of destroying Hamas in the strip
And right now, that alternate strategy simply does not exist”
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