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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?The New York Times Opinion by David Brooks March 24, 2024 Old article but most still ring true, in this terror war.... including regarding HezbollahExtracts: - What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?
There seems to be a broad consensus about the war in Gaza, structured around two propositions after the attacks of October 7, 2023 1. First - Israel has the right to defend itself and defeat Hamas 2. Second - the way Israel is doing this is “over the top” The vast numbers of dead and starving children are gut wrenching, the devastation is overwhelming and it’s hard not to see it all as indiscriminate which leads to an obvious question: 1. If the current Israeli military approach is inhumane, what’s the alternative? 2. Is there a better military strategy Israel can use to defeat Hamas without a civilian blood bath? - Israel’s approach to the conflict
The thorniest reality that comes up is that this war is like few others because the crucial theater is underground Before the war, Israelis estimated Hamas had dug around 100 miles of tunnels Hamas leaders claimed they had a much more expansive network and it turns out they were telling the truth The current Israeli estimates range from 350 to about 500 miles of tunnels The tunnel network, according to Israel, is where, 1. Hamas lives, 2. holds hostages, 3. stores weapons, 4. builds missiles 5. and moves from place to place - Where did the money come from? -- estimate a billion dollars
By some Israeli estimates, building these tunnels cost the Gazan people about a billion dollars, which could have gone to building schools and starting companies. Hamas built many of its most important military and strategic facilities under hospitals, schools and so on Its server farm, for example, was built under the offices of the UN relief agency in Gaza City, according to the Israeli military
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What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?The New York Times Opinion by David Brooks March 24, 2024 Old article but most still ring true, in this terror war.... including regarding HezbollahExtracts: Daphne Richemond-Barak, the author of “Underground Warfare” writes in Foreign Policy magazine: “Never in the history of tunnel warfare has a defender been able to spend months in such confined spaces
The digging itself, the innovative ways Hamas has made use of the tunnels and the group’s survival underground for this long have been unprecedented” - Underground Hamas vs above ground Israel -- In other words, in this war,
1. Hamas is often underground, the Israelis are often above ground 2. and Hamas seeks to position civilians directly between them
As Barry Posen, a professor at the security studies program at M.I.T. has written, “Hamas’s strategy could be described as ‘human camouflage’ and more ruthlessly as ‘human ammunition’ Hamas’s goal is to maximize the number of Palestinians who die and in that way build international pressure until Israel is forced to end the war before Hamas is wiped out Hamas’s survival depends on support in the court of international opinion and on making this war as bloody as possible for civilians until Israel relents The Israelis have not found an easy way to clear and destroy the tunnels Richemond-Barak writes, currently, Israel Defense Forces units IDF 1. clear the ground around a tunnel entrance 2. and then they send in robots, drones and dogs to detect explosives and enemy combatants 3. Then units trained in underground warfare pour in “It has become clear that Israel cannot possibly detect or map the entirety of Hamas’s tunnel network" For Israel to persuasively declare victory, in Richemond-Barak's view, "Israel must destroy at least two-thirds of Hamas’s known underground infrastructure” This is slow, dangerous and destructive work
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What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?The New York Times Opinion by David Brooks March 24, 2024 Old article but most still ring true, in this terror war.... including regarding HezbollahExtracts: - Israel's destruction of Gaza
Israel rained destruction down on Gaza, especially early in the war because very few buildings can withstand gigantic explosions beneath them, this method involves a lot of wreckage, compounding the damage brought by tens of thousands of airstrikes In part because of the tunnels, Israel has caused more destruction in Gaza than Syria did in Aleppo and more than Russia did in Mariupol, according to an Associated Press analysis John Spencer is the chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point, served two tours in Iraq and has made two visits to Gaza during the current war to observe operations there. Spencer said, ”Israel has done far more to protect civilians than the United States did in Afghanistan and Iraq” Spencer reports, Israel - has warned civilians when and where it is about to begin operations and published an online map showing which areas to leave
- has sent out millions of pamphlets, texts and recorded calls warning civilians of coming operations
- has conducted four-hour daily pauses to allow civilians to leave combat areas
- has dropped speakers that blast out instructions about when to leave and where to go
- These measures, have telegraphed where the IDF is going [heads up! for terrorists Hamas] to move next
- These measures, to be honest “have prolonged the war"
These measures are real but in addition....
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What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?The New York Times Opinion by David Brooks March 24, 2024 Old article but most still ring true, in this terror war.... including regarding HezbollahExtracts: John Spencer, the chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point, said, ”Israel has done far more to protect civilians than the United States did in Afghanistan and Iraq” - These measures are real but in addition.... Israel has,
1. cut off power in Gaza, 2. making it hard for Palestinians to gain access to their phones and information 3. and most important, the evacuation orders published by Israel 4. Israel has also destroyed a vast majority of Gaza’s cellphone towers 5. and on occasion bombed civilians in so-called safe areas and safe routes
For civilians, the urban battlefield is unbelievably nightmarish They are caught between a nation enraged by October 7, 2023 and using overwhelming and often reckless force and a terrorist group that has structured the battlefield to maximize the number of innocent dead So to step back: What do we make of the current Israeli strategy? - Judged purely on a tactical level, there’s a strong argument that the IDF has been remarkably effective against Hamas forces
- IDF claims to have killed over 13,000 of the roughly 30,000 Hamas troops
- IDF has disrupted three-quarters of Hamas’s battalions so that they are no longer effective fighting units
- IDF has also killed two of five brigade commanders and 19 of 24 battalion commanders
- As of January 2024 US officials estimated that Israel had damaged or made inoperable 20 to 40 percent of the tunnels
Many Israelis believe the aggressive onslaught has begun to restore Israel’s deterrent power (Readers should know that Brooks' son served in the IDF from 2014 to 2016; He’s been back home in the States since then)
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What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?The New York Times Opinion by David Brooks March 24, 2024 Old article but most still ring true, in this terror war.... including regarding HezbollahExtracts: But on a larger political and strategic level, we’d have to conclude that the Israeli strategy has real problems Global public opinion is moving decisively against Israel. Furthermore, Israeli tactics may, 1. be reducing Gaza to an ungovernable hellscape that will require further Israeli occupation 2. and produce more terrorist groups for years Hamas’s strategy is pure evil but it is based on an understanding of how the events on the ground will play out in the political world As the leaders of Hamas watch Israeli allies grow more critical of Jerusalem, they must know their strategy is working The key weakness of the Israeli strategy has always been that it is aimed at defeating Hamas militarily without addressing Palestinian grievances and without paying enough attention to the wider consequences So we’re back to the original question: 1. Is there a way to defeat Hamas with far fewer civilian deaths? 2. Is there a way to fight the war that won’t leave Israel isolated? So where are we? The tragic conclusion there is no magical alternative military strategy As Raphael Cohen, the director of the strategy and doctrine program at the RAND Corporation, wrote in Foreign Policy: “If the international community wants Israel to change strategies in Gaza then it should offer a viable alternative strategy to Israel’s announced goal of destroying Hamas in the strip
And right now, that alternate strategy simply does not exist”
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What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?The New York Times Opinion by David Brooks March 24, 2024 Old article but most still ring true, in this terror war.... including regarding HezbollahExtracts: - postwar political process
As the veteran Middle East observers Robert Satloff and Dennis Ross wrote in American Purpose “Any talk of a postwar political process is meaningless without Israel battlefield success:
There can be no serious discussion of a two-state solution or any other political objective with Hamas either still governing Gaza or commanding a coherent military force” Finally, like pretty much every expert I, [Brooks] consulted, I’m also left with the conclusion that Israel has to completely rethink and change the humanitarian and political side of this operation Israel needs to supplement its military strategy with an equally powerful Palestinian welfare strategy Israel’s core problems today are not mostly the fault of the IDF or its self-defense strategy Israel’s core problems flow from the growing callousness with which many of its people have viewed the Palestinians over the past decades, magnified exponentially by the trauma it has just suffered Today, an emotionally shattered Israeli people see through the prism of October 7, 2023 They feel existentially insecure, facing enemies on seven fronts — Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Iran As Ross has noted, many often don’t see a distinction between Hamas and the Palestinians Over 80 percent of West Bank Palestinians told pollsters they supported the October 7
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What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?The New York Times Opinion by David Brooks March 24, 2024 Old article but most still ring true, in this terror war.... including regarding HezbollahExtracts: As the columnist Anshel Pfeffer wrote in the Israeli paper Haaretz, “The very idea that Israel needed to take any responsibility whatsoever for the place from which those who had murdered, raped and pillaged had emerged was seen as a moral abomination” Pfeffer continued, because of this moral abomination attitude, “the government’s policy on humanitarian supplies to Gaza is a combination of vengeance, ignorance and incompetence” Pfeffer quoted unnamed IDF officials who acknowledged that of course Israel is responsible for the welfare of the people in the area it controls but that the civilian leaders refuse to confront this On occasions when Israel has responded to world pressure and shifted policy, it has done so in secret, with no discussion in the cabinet An officer whose duties specifically include addressing the needs of civilians told Pfeffer that he didn’t have much to do except for some odd jobs - Israel is failing to lay the groundwork for some sort of better Palestinian future — to its own detriment
The security experts I, [Brooks] spoke with acknowledge that providing humanitarian aid will be hard Raphael Cohen, the director of the strategy and doctrine program at the RAND Corporation said, “If the Israeli military takes over distributing humanitarian aid to Gaza, they will likely lose soldiers in the process And so Israelis are asking why should their boys die providing aid to someone who wants to kill them So the United States needs to convince Israel that this is the morally and strategically right thing to do”
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What Would You Have Israel Do to Defend Itself?The New York Times Opinion by David Brooks March 24, 2024 Old article but most still ring true, in this terror war.... including regarding HezbollahExtracts: For her book “How Terrorism Ends” the Carnegie Mellon scholar Audrey Kurth Cronin looked at about 460 terrorist groups to investigate how they were defeated, 1. Trying to beat them with military force alone rarely works 2. The root causes have to be addressed As the retired general David Petraeus reminded his audience recently at the New Orleans Book Festival, “Over time, hearts and minds still matter” - Israel also has to offer the world, a vision for Gaza’s recovery and it has to do it right now
the veteran Middle East observer Dennis Ross argues, after the war is over, the core logic of the peace has to be demilitarization in exchange for reconstruction In an essay in Foreign Affairs, Ross sketches out a comprehensive rebuilding effort, bringing in nations and agencies from all over the world, so Gaza doesn’t become a failed state or remain under Hamas control Is any of this realistic given the vicious enmity now ripping through the region? Well, many peace breakthroughs of the past decades happened after one side suffered a crushing defeat Egypt established ties with Israel after it was thoroughly defeated in the Yom Kippur War When Israel attacked Hezbollah in southern Lebanon in 2006 the world was outraged But after the fighting stopped, some Lebanese concluded that Hezbollah had dragged them into a bloody, unnecessary conflict The Hezbollah leader [now deceased] Hassan Nasrallah, was forced to acknowledge his error, saying, "I didn’t know Israel would react so violently" -- Yet? Hamas did the same 17 years later, October 2023 resulting in the current bloody conflict The Lebanese border stabilized Israel’s over-the-top responses have sometimes served as effective deterrents and prevented further bloodshed - Israel and the Palestinians have both just suffered shattering defeats
Maybe in the next few years, 1. they will do some difficult rethinking and a new vision of the future will come into view 2. But that can happen only after Hamas is fully defeated as a military and governing force
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Hezbollah: Ceasefire with Israel must end violence
A possible ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel should mean a quick end to the fighting and also preserve Lebanon's sovereignty, a senior leader within Hezbollah said on the organization's television channel. There is a proposal for a ceasefire, but Mahmoud Qmati said he thinks it could still go either way.
The proposal was brokered by the US. Lebanon and Iranian-backed Hezbollah have basically agreed, according to sources, but Israel has not. Qmati's comments on the proposal seem to refer to Israel's intention to continue attacking Hezbollah, even if there is a ceasefire. He says he is not overly optimistic, but he is also not pessimistic that it will work.
The French foreign minister, in an interview with Europe 1, called on both parties to agree to the agreement. "This is an opportunity to establish a lasting truce in Lebanon, which will allow the return of refugees and guarantee the sovereignty of Lebanon and the security of Israel," said Jean-Noël Barrot. Lebanon was previously under French rule.
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In the absence of a result from negotiations, Netanyahu offers 4.7 million euros per released hostage Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu promises Gazans the equivalent of 4.7 million euros if they hand over an Israeli hostage, as well as safe passage out of Gaza. With this offer, Netanyahu is making a desperate attempt to persuade Palestinian fighters to come forward.
The prime minister made his remarkable proposal on Tuesday during a visit to Gaza, where he vowed that Hamas would never return to government. Earlier, Netanyahu had hinted that Israel might be prepared to pay millions for the return of the hostages.
The Israeli army believes that 97 hostages are still being held in Gaza by Hamas and the militant group Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Of them, 34 are believed to be dead. Last year, on October 7, 251 civilians and soldiers were kidnapped and taken to Gaza. Of them, 105 were released in a deal and a few were rescued during rescue operations.
"Whoever brings us a hostage will find a safe way out for himself and his family," Netanyahu said in an attempt to persuade fighters and civilians in Gaza to come forward. "We will also give $5 million for each hostage. Choose, the choice is yours, but the result will be the same. We will bring them all back."
At the same time, he threatened Palestinians holding hostages. 'Whoever dares to harm our hostages will pay a price. We will pursue you and we will get you.'
Dead end The prime minister made his multi-million dollar offer while negotiations with Hamas on a ceasefire and the release of the hostages are still at a dead end. Netanyahu is being fiercely criticized by families of the hostages, among others. They say he would block an agreement.
Hamas demands not only a ceasefire but also a complete withdrawal of the Israeli army from Gaza. Netanyahu wants nothing to do with the latter; the official war goal is that Hamas must be completely destroyed, so that it can never again threaten Israel militarily.
The prime minister stressed during his visit to the Netzarim corridor, which divides Gaza from west to east, that the Israeli army is doing everything it can to find the hostages. "We are not giving up," Netanyahu said. "We will continue to do this until we capture all of them, both the living and the dead."
'Hamas will no longer be in Gaza' At the same time, he stressed that Israel's goal is to prevent Hamas from returning to power in Gaza. 'We are impressively destroying their military capabilities and we are now continuing to destroy their ability to govern. We are not finished yet. Hamas will no longer be in Gaza.'
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From: Al Jazeera November 21, 2024 US defends veto of UN Security Council resolution on Gaza ceasefire
The State Department has defended the US veto of a UN Security Council resolution on a Gaza ceasefire.
“The resolution does call for the release of hostagesWhat it doesn’t do is link the release of hostages to an immediate, unconditional ceasefire,” spokesperson Matthew Miller said during a news briefing.
Its fellow members, all of whom voted for the resolution, roundly criticised the US for blocking the measure put forward by the council’s 10 elected members.
France’s ambassador, Nicolas de Riviere, said the resolution “very firmly” required the release of captives.
After blocking earlier resolutions on Gaza, Washington in March abstained from a vote that allowed a resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire to pass.
The glaring problem with these numerous One-sided, flawed resolutions is fundamentally no one is offering alternate solution for this painfully difficult horrors of this kind of tunnel-based urban warfare because there isn't any -- "alternate strategy simply does not exist”
The war in Ukraine is a conventional conflict pitting two states against each other while the Israel War pits a conventional military against the Iran, Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iraq and some -- backed “Axis of Resistance” terror of their terrorist proxies
Why is no one calling for Russia-Ukraine ceasefire and Why is Israel not questioning the double standards and hypocrisy of all these holier-than-thou righteous One-sided critics of Israel but the terrorists can keep raining their guerilla warfare terror
Russia, one of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council calling for ceasefire while invading and still warring with Ukraine over 1,000 days, speaks volumes of the ?United? antisemitism Nations -- Yes! Sir, Yes! Sir Three bags full....
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Don't forget the Saudis and Iraelis were VERY close to a historic peace agreement. It was touted as Israel on the cusp of historic peace with Saudi Arabia but stalled after October 7, 2023 For Netanyahu, a second Trump term promises a renewed alignment on Middle Eastern policy, but the incoming president also has strong relations with Saudi-Arabia, the Abraham accords have to be implemented. - Israel-Saudi Arabia historic peace
Biden was this close -- oh, so close.... Biden administration-led negotiations for a ceasefire and hostage deal have repeatedly failed
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Sure thing Netanyahu acts like Trump is Israel's Messiah but Trump seems to be still smarting over Netanyahu congratulating Biden when Trump was disputing the 2020 election Trump accuses Netanyahu of disloyalty:CNN by Andrew Carey and Amir Tal 11 December 2021 - Trump-Netanyahu -- Old bad blood!
Extracts: Trump accuses Netanyahu of disloyalty for congratulating Biden after 2020 win: ‘F**k him’ Former President Donald Trump railed against his one-time close ally Benjamin Netanyahu in a new interview series, saying Trump felt betrayed by the then-prime minister of Israel’s video message to Joe Biden congratulating him on winning the presidency Trump told Israeli journalist Barak Ravid during an April interview which was published by Axios Friday “It was early OK? Let’s put it this way – Netanyahu greeted Biden very early” Earlier than most world leaders. I’ve not spoken to him since F**k him” Discussing Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel – upending decades of US policy and international consensus – as well as recognizing Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights, captured from Syria during a war in 1967 Trump laid out why he felt so embittered “There was no one who did more for Netanyahu than me There was no one who did for Israel more than I did And the first person to run to greet Joe Biden was Netanyahu And not only did Netanyahu congratulate him – he did it in a video If you look at the leaders of other countries – like Brazil – he waited months, Putin. Many other leaders Mexico All of them also felt that the election was over But they, too, were waiting No one did more than me for Bibi Money too. We gave them a lot of money and gave them soldiers We did everything” Netanyahu did post his congratulations on Twitter and in a video on November 8, 2020 the day after the race had been called in Biden’s favor Netanyahu said in that post, he and Biden have had a “long & warm” personal relationship for almost 40 years and sees him as “a great friend of Israel” and looks forward to working together In a separate Twitter post, Netanyahu thanked Trump “for the friendship you have shown the state of Israel and me personally, for recognizing Jerusalem and the Golan, for standing up to Iran, for the historic peace accords and for bringing the American-Israeli alliance to unprecedented heights” Despite posting his congratulations online, Netanyahu was slow to call Biden after the election, waiting two weeks to call the President-elect which drew criticism from some in Israel
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Trump's pro-Israel cabinet picks upset Muslims who voted for himReuters by Andrea Shalal 17 November 2024 - Muslims who voted for Trump -- Upset
Extracts: US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration's support for Israel's war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the “Abandon Harris” campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump said, "Trump won because of us and we're not happy with his secretary of state pick and others" Strategists believe, Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins Trump picked Republican senator Marco Rubio, a staunch supporter of Israel, for Secretary of State Earlier this year, Rubio said, he would not call for a ceasefire in Gaza and that he believed, Israel should destroy "every element" of Hamas "These people are vicious animals" Trump also nominated Mike Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor as the next ambassador to Israel Huckabee is a staunch pro-Israel conservative who backs Israeli occupation of the West Bank and has called, a two state solution in Palestine "unworkable" Trump has picked Republican Representative Elise Stefanik to serve as US ambassador to the United Nations Stefanik called the UN for its condemnation of deaths in Gaza, a "cesspool of antisemitism" Rexhinaldo Nazarko, executive director of the American Muslim Engagement and Empowerment Network (AMEEN) said Muslim voters had hoped Trump would choose cabinet officials who work toward peace and there was no sign of that Nazarko said "We are very disappointed"
"It seems like this administration has been packed entirely with neoconservatives and extremely pro-Israel, pro-war people which is a failure on the side of President Trump, to the pro-peace and anti-war movement" Nazarko added the community would continue pressing to make its voices heard about ending the war in Gaza "At least we're on the map"
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Trump's pro-Israel cabinet picks upset Muslims who voted for himReuters by Andrea Shalal 17 November 2024 Extracts: Hassan Abdel Salam, a former professor at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities and co-founder of the “Abandon Harris” campaign which endorsed Green Party candidate Jill Stein said, Trump's staffing plans were not surprising but had proven even more extreme than he had feared Salam added, "It's like he's going on Zionist overdrive" "We were always extremely skeptical ... Obviously we're still waiting to see where the administration will go but it does look like our community has been played" The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment Richard Grenell: Several Muslim and Arab supporters of Trump said they hoped Richard Grenell, Trump's former acting director of national intelligence, would play a key role after he led months of outreach to Muslim and Arab American communities and was even introduced as a potential next secretary of state at events Massad Boulos: Another key Trump ally, Massad Boulos, the Lebanese father-in-law of Trump's daughter Tiffany, met repeatedly with Arab American and Muslim leaders Both promised Arab American and Muslim voters that Trump was a candidate for peace who would act swiftly to end the wars in the Middle East and beyond Neither was immediately reachable Trump made several visits to cities with large Arab American and Muslim populations, include a stop in Dearborn, a majority Arab city, where Trump said he loved Muslims and Pittsburgh, where he called Muslims for Trump "a beautiful movement “They want peace They want stability" Bill Bazzi, mayor of neighboring Dearborn Heights, who endorsed Trump, said he met the president-elect three times and still believed he would work to end the war, despite the cabinet appointments Rola Makki, the Lebanese American, Muslim vice chair for outreach of the Michigan Republican Party, agreed "I don't think everyone's going to be happy with every appointment Trump makes but the outcome is what matters"
"I do know that Trump wants peace and what people need to realize is that there's 50,000 dead Palestinians and 3,000 dead Lebanese and that's happened during the current administration" *Reporting by Andrea Shalal; Editing by Peter Graff and Clarence Fernandez
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US Senate rejects Bernie Sanders effort to block arms sales to IsraelThe Guardian by Erum Salam and agencies 21 November 2024 Three resolutions - all failedExtracts: - $20billion in US weapons to Israel
Moves to advance three resolutions, which would have halted recent sale of $20billion in US weapons to Israel, all failed The US Senate has blocked legislation that would have halted the sale of some US weapons to Israel, which had been introduced out of concern about the human rights catastrophe faced by Palestinians in Gaza Senator Bernie Sanders had introduced what are called joint resolutions of disapproval, seeking to block the Biden administration’s recent sale of $20bn in US weapons to Israel Moves to advance three resolutions all failed, garnering only about 20 votes out of the chamber’s 100 members, with most Democrats joining all Republicans against the measures - US mortar rounds and a GPS guidance system for bombs
Two other resolutions to stop shipments of mortar rounds and a GPS guidance system for bombs US Senate votes down effort to withhold weapons to IsraelAl Jazeera by Ali Harb 21 November 2024 Extracts: It was the first time ever that a weapons sale to Israel was subjected to such a vote While support for the push may appear minimal, it represents a crack in the bipartisan consensus over unconditional US aid to Israel
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For Netanyahu, a second Trump term promises a renewed alignment on Middle Eastern policy, but the incoming president also has strong relations with Saudi-Arabia, the Abraham accords have to be implemented. CNN November 15, 2024 Jared Kushner expected to be pivotal to Trump admin’s Middle East efforts without taking a formal job Both Kushner and Trump would like to see a continuation of efforts to normalize relations between Israel and other Arab states following the Abraham Accords, a pact which normalized relations between Israel and the United Arab Emirates during Trump’s first term – an effort made much more complicated given the ongoing wars in Gaza and Lebanon. Kushner has also maintained relationships with key players in the Middle East, including Israeli officials and leaders in the Arab Gulf. In particular, he has remained in contact with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the kingdom’s de facto leader. Trump spoke last week with bin Salman following his election victory. It was his second call to the region following his conversation with Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, an indication that he will prioritize the US-Saudi relationship. Both Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who Trump picked as the next ambassador to Israel, and Steve Witkoff, who will lead the overall regional efforts, come to the job with relationships of their own. Yet how they work together – and with Kushner – remains an open question.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Why is no one calling for Russia-Ukraine ceasefire and Why is Israel not questioning the double standards and hypocrisy of all these holier-than-thou righteous One-sided critics of Israel but the terrorists can keep raining their guerilla warfare terror
Russia, one of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council calling for ceasefire while invading and still warring with Ukraine over 1,000 days, speaks volumes of the ?United? antisemitism Nations -- Yes! Sir, Yes! Sir Three bags full.... Al Jazeera November 19, 2024 Ukraine dominated the agenda on day one of the two-day summit after Washington gave Kyiv the green light to strike Russian territory with long-range missiles supplied by the US. In their final declaration, G20 leaders eked out a narrow consensus on Ukraine, welcoming “all relevant and constructive initiatives that support a comprehensive, just, and durable peace”, while again condemning the “threat or use of force to seek territorial acquisition”. It, however, made no mention of Russian aggression. With an International Criminal Court arrest warrant obliging member states to arrest him, Russian President Vladimir Putin was not in attendance. Instead, Russia was represented by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.
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