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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Again, there is no equivalence between Democratic Israel and murderous terrorists Some Israelis are also outraged that the ICC issued warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant alongside one for Mohammed Al-Masri, also known as Mohammed Deif, the Hamas leader who Israel claims was one of the masterminds of the October 7 attack. The ICC “is saying that Gallant and Netanyahu are equal to Mohammed Deif… this is something that Israelis truly cannot comprehend, truly, truly cannot comprehend,” Siegal said. Yael Vias Gvirsman represents the families of hundreds of Israeli victims of the October 7 attacks at the ICC and was in The Hague on Thursday when the warrants were issued. She said the warrant against Deif was an important recognition “that Hamas attacks consisted of extermination, torture, rape and other sexual crimes and inhumane treatment” and that it was good news for families she represents. “It’s the first step for recognition and the first step for them rebuilding their lives,” she said. But she added that the simultaneous warrants against Netanyahu and Gallant were understandably met with “great shock” in Israel, “because it is a nation at its most difficult hour.” Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon not at its most difficult hour.” The limited opposition to the war is motivated by the rising death toll of Israeli soldiers and the hope that a ceasefire would secure the release of the 101 hostages still held there, with the suffering of Palestinians largely absent from the anti-war discourse.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Implications for soldiers fighting in Gaza
While the ICC arrest warrants target only Netanyahu and Gallant, some are worried about the implications for the Israel Defense Forces and its soldiers.
Conscription is mandatory for most Jewish Israelis and some 300,000 reservists have been called up because of the war, on top of the estimated 170,000 active-duty soldiers.
The right-wing Israeli legal organization Shurat HaDin has warned about the arrest warrants “creating a dangerous precedent for the ICC to target other democratic armies and leaders.”
The group has long warned about the ICC possibly opening a criminal investigation against Israeli soldiers.
Legal action at the ICC against Israeli soldiers, it said on its website, would “carry devastating effects” on Israel, and cause immediate personal risk to individuals “whose only blame is for serving their country and fighting terror.”
Refusals by potential recruits and reservists to serve are rare in Israel, but there are signs that they have been increasing amid the global outrage over the toll of the war in Gaza.
Taking an unusually public stance, a group of more than 130 Israeli reservists signed an open letter to Netanyahu and Gallant last month, stating that they refuse to serve unless a deal is signed to end the war and bring back the hostages, saying that for some of them “the red line has already been crossed.”
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Soul Behar Tsalik, an Israeli who intends to refuse his mandatory enlistment in the IDF next week, said the ICC warrant strengthens his commitment to refuse.
“Israel’s war machine does not only destroy Gaza but also hurts Israelis – in body and in spirit,” he told CNN. “I hope the ICC’s ruling will help make a change, will make my fellow Israelis realize the truth and severity of the claims against our leaders, and push Israel to leave Gaza, free the hostages and end the occupation as soon as possible.”
Breaking the Silence, an organization of Israeli veterans who oppose the war in Gaza and the occupation of the West Bank, was a rare voice of support for the ICC’s decision.
It said in a statement that the “flood of condemnations, an array of whataboutisms and countless allegations of antisemitism” was indicative of the Israeli “society’s insistence, even now, to not see what we are doing in Gaza.”
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Hezbollah Pummeled by Israel’s offensive, Hezbollah said political contacts were under way involving its backers in Tehran, Washington and Moscow whilst also saying it had enough weapons for a “long war” and keeping up rocket fire into Israel. Hezbollah's arsenal is like the widow's flour and oil, in the Bible -- never run out The group vows that a “blow in the heart of Beirut equals a blow in Tel Aviv.” Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis and all the terrorists -- still standing, still fighting, still firing
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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US key security guarantor The US is expected to be a key security guarantor of the deal.
In remarks from the White House Rose Garden, Biden said: “Under the deal reached today, effective at 4am tomorrow, local time, the fighting across the Lebanese Israeli border will end,”. He repeated the last two words: “Will end.”
“This is designed to be a permanent cessation of hostilities." What is left of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations will not be allowed, I emphasize, will not be allowed to threaten the security of Israel again,” he said.
Biden said that US troops would not be committed to the border between Israel and Lebanon, but that “we, along with France and others, will provide the necessary assistance to make sure this deal is implemented fully and effectively.”
The deal follows months of international lobbying from the Biden administration, which had launched desperate efforts to halt the fighting but regularly came up short after promising that a deal was imminent.
Biden-Trump The signing of a ceasefire comes with less than two months left in the lame duck Biden administration, meaning that the president-elect, Donald Trump, could continue to support or upend the deal when he enters office on 20 January.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Déjà vu -- would be another "missed opportunity" to "eradicate Hezbollah," The 2024 agreement follows the contours of UN security council resolution 1701 which ended the 36-day Israel-Hezbollah war of 2006 but was never fully implemented. US-led supervisory mechanism and guaranteesThe process will be monitored by a US-led supervisory mechanism that will act as a referee on infringements. A letter of assurance that was not formally part of the deal reportedly guarantees US support for Israeli freedom of action if Hezbollah attacks Israel again or moves its forces or weaponry south of the Litani.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Israel-Hezbollah truceThe Australian 27 November 2024 Extracts: Victory for Israel but truce with Hezbollah may prove fragile Iran’s Lebanese proxy staggers out of the fight, leaving Hamas alone in Gaza Why the ceasefire if Israel is winning? and Hamas or any other terror group never alone That ever elusive Victory... These terrorists with their bottomless support and funds by Iran and probably other terrorist-supporting countries and the numerous nations hostile to Israel “reorganize its ranks” come back bigger and more lethal The terrorists would rebuild its military to continue their efforts to exterminate the Jewish state, delivering on their promise to launch more and more attacks like that of 7 October 2023
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Israeli cabinet likely to approve Lebanon ceasefire deal in Tuesday vote CNN by Jeremy Diamond 25 November 2024 - Zeevi - very irresponsible “surrender agreement”
Extracts: Residents of northern Israel – many of whom have been displaced by the conflict, along with residents of southern Lebanon across the border – have also expressed concern about the potential deal -- even before the agreement Nizan Zeevi, who lives north of Kyriat Shimona in Kfar Kila village, told CNN many residents view the deal as a “surrender agreement” “Our government is going to sign a very irresponsible agreement that is only a replay of the same agreement” signed to end the war in 2006 Zeevi feared, "the deal would in time allow fighters in the Radwan Force, Hezbollah’s special operation unit, to move closer to the border once more" and “live right next to” him and his family Zeevi said, referring to the Hamas attacks on southern Israel more than a year ago, “It’s my duty to my children to make sure that there is no chance for another October 7” *CNN’s Lauren Izso, Nic Robertson, Tamara Qiblawi, Michael Conte, Jennifer Hansler and Christian Edwards contributed reporting
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Israel At War - Day 418Israel opened the Lebanese front 'limited ground incursion' stretching their resources even thinner when all the other multiple fronts 6 still remain “undefeated” “unconquered” No wins in the ongoing terror war It seems, Israel has not destroyed any of the Iran-backed proxies and now in direct conflict with Iran itself 1. Hamas still fighting and still has the Israeli hostages -- How many are alive 2. Hezbollah still firing drones, missiles, rockets etc. causing death and destruction -- another fragile ceasefire 3. Houthis still attacking the ships - Israel-Hezbollah “historic” ceasefire deal
-- After so much carnage All sides... among others, 1. The horrors and immeasurable suffering of the innocent civilians 2. Thousands killed 3. Millions displaced 4. Families torn apart 5. Homes flattened 6. Infrastructure destroyed 7. Vast areas uninhabitable
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Lessons unlearned by IsraelMiddle East Monitor by Omar Ahmed 22 November 2024 - Lessons unlearned, as Israel’s war against Hezbollah is starting to mirror its 2006 defeat
Extracts: Tel Aviv has spent nearly two decades supposedly learning from past mistakes in planning its next major confrontation with Hezbollah "Convinced Israel could force Hezbollah to disarm and withdraw from southern Lebanon by initiating an effects-based air campaign, the Israeli Air Force (IAF) began pounding targets across Lebanon Although initially taken aback by the destructive air strikes, Hezbollah unleashed its own attack within 24 hours, launching an extensive rocket barrage from southern Lebanon into Israel Despite Israel assuring the United States of a “quick and decisive” resolution to the conflict, Hezbollah’s short-range Katyusha rockets continued to rain down on the Israeli population As days went by, it became increasingly apparent to both the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and western military analysts that the IAF was having little effect on Hezbollah’s rockets When the IDF reluctantly moved its ground forces into southern Lebanon, the apparent ineffectiveness of the operation and the stubborn resistance of Hezbollah fighters stunned military observers worldwide "- Although the above excerpt could well have been written about the current war on Lebanon by the US-backed Israeli army, it is, in fact, an analysis of the 2006 July war fought between the occupation state and the Hezbollah resistance movement
"We Were Caught Unprepared: The 2006 Hezbollah-Israeli War" by Matt M. Matthews Originally published two years after the war by the US Army Combined Arms Center (USACAC) Matthews also notes, By the time the United Nations (UN) cease-fire went into effect on 14 August 2006 many military analysts were convinced the IDF had suffered a significant defeat Thanks! allies
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Lessons unlearned by IsraelMiddle East Monitor by Omar Ahmed 22 November 2024 - Lessons unlearned, as Israel’s war against Hezbollah is starting to mirror its 2006 defeat
Extracts: Hezbollah, under the leadership of Nasrallah’s successor Sheikh Naim Qassem has taken “all defensive measures to engage in a prolonged battle, preventing the enemy from achieving its goals” According to its Operations Room, Hezbollah has since last month, coinciding with Israel’s “limited” invasion of South Lebanon, 1. killed over 100 Israeli soldiers 2. wounded over 1,000 others 3. in addition to destroying dozens of Merkava tanks and other military vehicles What is noticeable, here is that unlike in 2006 where “Syrian rockets played the major role in the campaign while Iranian rockets were practically absent from it” there is evidently greater involvement of Iranian-origin weaponry - guerilla warfare tactics and strategy
Much like in 2006 Hezbollah made effective use of guerilla warfare tactics and strategic use of its arms, heading towards a political victory -- In the previous war, Israel’s objectives were to secure – they failed on both counts 1. the release of two captured soldiers alive 2. and destroying the resistance movement Hezbollah on the other hand, 1. avoided disarmament 2. enhanced its regional prestige 3. strengthened its standing among its domestic base 4. and presence near the border
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Lessons unlearned by IsraelMiddle East Monitor by Omar Ahmed 22 November 2024 - Lessons unlearned, as Israel’s war against Hezbollah is starting to mirror its 2006 defeat
Extracts: As acknowledged by The News York Times: according to US officials “Israel has failed to eliminate the short-range rockets that the Lebanese militia fires into the northern half of the country As long as the rocket fire continues, Israel’s campaign is unable to fulfill one of its main goals — securing northern Israel so that tens of thousands of residents can return home there" Yet one striking parallel that has been overlooked was when, after a 39-minute widespread overnight raid on 12-13 July 2006 Israeli military Chief of Staff Dan Halutz told then Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, “all the long-range rockets have been destroyed…We’ve won the war” However Hezbollah subsequently carried out extensive long-range rocket strikes into the north of the occupation state In the current conflict, prior to his dismissal, former Defence Minister Yoav Gallant claimed late last month, "Hezbollah had lost over 80 per cent of its long-range rockets since the start of the war" However just this month, Hezbollah successfully struck greater Tel Aviv “with a volley of qualitative missiles and a squadron of attack drones” Additionally, a rocket barrage targeted several military sites, coinciding with senior White House envoy Amos Hochstein’s visit to Beirut for talks with Lebanese officials regarding a ceasefire Despite this, the Netanyahu government continues to press on, seemingly committed to deploying the Dahiyeh doctrine, now that it is losing whatever strategic edge it had achieved just two months ago Although such a move is unlikely to bring about a political victory and instead further isolate the occupation state - eventual ceasefire - Hezbollah victory and Israel defeat
With International Court of Justice (ICJ) arrest warrants issued for Netanyahu and Gallant, an eventual ceasefire, much like in 2006 will likely result in, 1. another political victory for Hezbollah 2. and an equally humiliating defeat for Israel —this time without the long-time Hezbollah leader who had vowed that the movement would continue until the occupation army ended its genocidal campaign in Gaza
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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NOS News • today, 15:07 • Amendedtoday, 15:39 Minister Veldkamp receives Iranian colleague for discussion on 'de-escalation'
Minister of Foreign Affairs Veldkamp is receiving his Iranian counterpart Abbas Araghchi today. "The aim is to achieve de-escalation in the Middle East," Veldkamp wanted to say about the aim of the conversation.
The minister did not go into "the details". According to Veldkamp, ??Iran is disrupting the region "through its proxies, through its vassals". Among those organisations supported by Iran are Hamas and Hezbollah, both of which are involved in a battle with Israel.
Don't bend your knees Veldkamp emphasizes that Iran is not a regime that is close to the Netherlands, "but it is important to have contact with them". "The fact that you enter into talks does not mean that you give in".
It is not the first time that Veldkamp has spoken to his Iranian counterpart about the unrest and violence in the Middle East. In early October, the two spoke by telephone after Iranian missile attacks on Israel. And a month ago, Veldkamp passed on an Israeli message about an imminent attack on Iran to Araghchi.
Last week it was announced that a planned trip by Veldkamp to Israel would not go ahead. According to the ministry, it was decided in joint consultation between the Netherlands and Israel that the trip would be cancelled. Reference was made to "the current circumstances", without specifying this further.
Friendly countries On the day the trip was cancelled, an arrest warrant was issued by the International Criminal Court (ICC) for Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. In a debate in the House, Veldkamp said when asked that Netanyahu would be arrested if he came to Dutch soil. Shortly afterwards, Israeli media reported that Veldkamp was no longer welcome.
But the mediating role of Veldkamp, ??who was previously ambassador to Israel, does not seem to be over. The minister said that he had contacted "friendly countries" prior to today's meeting. This may indicate that Veldkamp had contact with Israel about this in advance.
The Dutch minister further said that "a number of other countries" will also enter into talks with Iran this week.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Reuters November 28, 2024 The group has been weakened by casualties and the killing of its leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah by Israel In the first statement by Hezbollah's operations centre since the truce was announced, the group made no direct mention of the ceasefire and vowed to continue its resistance. Hezbollah said its fighters "remain fully equipped to deal with the aspirations and assaults of the Israeli enemy." Its forces will monitor Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon "with their hands on the trigger". While Hezbollah and its supporters celebrate achievements against the Israeli military, their critics point to the, 1. widespread destruction, 2. significant loss of life 3. and thousands displaced in Lebanon Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi said Iran welcomed the truce and hoped it would be permanent
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