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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1106397
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Frederick mentions the "Federation" that was formed having four generals to protect the Rizzuto family ,consisting of Silva, Wooley, Tamouro but it does not mention who the fourth general was ?

Furthermore, if Silva is spilling the beans then why haven't they arrested the person or persons who were financing these contracts to these four generals ?

It's never a dull moment in Montreal wink





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The way I read the article.
I think Woolley and Silva were 2 of the 4 generals.
And Tamouro was part of the Federation, but not a general.
So there are two generals missing.

Or maybe i’m wrong

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Originally Posted by Montrose
You really have to admire the Rizzutos, they are resilient as hell. They've been under assault for 15 years straight and they're still going. They've survived Desjardins, Montagna, Mirarchi, many of their own people switching sides, the Scoppa bros, street gangs and the HA attacking them, they've survived the death of Vito and the death of Rocco and Giordano, Wooley being killed, Silva turning snitch, Steve Sauce being disabled by cancer. They're probably making a fraction of the money they used to make.

But even with many people lined up against them they still can't put them down for good, now matter how much of a beating they take they always strike back, they always have another play. Chit Del Balso being clipped(by a sniper no less) shows that, you can never discount them.

If they survive whatever prosecution comes out of Silva's testimony I have a hunch this is eventually going to end with Martin Robert getting clipped. It wouldn't surprise me at this point.


I agree they are very resilient. They always managed to find new allies to counter attack. But I also doubt the Hells are willing to concede all territories , which brings to believe they may also form other alliances to continue this never ending war.

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It's also notable that Silva said they still had the ability to import coke, and they were planning to take over the street trade. It make sense but there was speculation that Pietrantonio and Scoppa were the main importers the Rizzutos had and they both switch sides, as well as all the talk about the Mexicans pushing everyone else out.

I guess the Rizzutos are still in the coke trade though.

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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
The way I read the article.
I think Woolley and Silva were 2 of the 4 generals.
And Tamouro was part of the Federation, but not a general.
So there are two generals missing.

Or maybe i’m wrong


Whichever way you interpret 1 or 2 , it still remains that they are not mentioned.

Another thing that caught my attention is "Calabrian Mafia" mentioned in the article and that war between Sicilians and Calabrians was still not over.
Which Calabrians are we talking about ? It would be nice if the journalist would elaborate.



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Originally Posted by Ciment
Originally Posted by Montrose
You really have to admire the Rizzutos, they are resilient as hell. They've been under assault for 15 years straight and they're still going. They've survived Desjardins, Montagna, Mirarchi, many of their own people switching sides, the Scoppa bros, street gangs and the HA attacking them, they've survived the death of Vito and the death of Rocco and Giordano, Wooley being killed, Silva turning snitch, Steve Sauce being disabled by cancer. They're probably making a fraction of the money they used to make.

But even with many people lined up against them they still can't put them down for good, now matter how much of a beating they take they always strike back, they always have another play. Chit Del Balso being clipped(by a sniper no less) shows that, you can never discount them.

If they survive whatever prosecution comes out of Silva's testimony I have a hunch this is eventually going to end with Martin Robert getting clipped. It wouldn't surprise me at this point.


I agree they are very resilient. They always managed to find new allies to counter attack. But I also doubt the Hells are willing to concede all territories , which brings to believe they may also form other alliances to continue this never ending war.

No doubt the HA aren't staying still, they killed Woolley, they killed Tamouro, they almost killed Leonardo. But it seems now they're also in a war with street gangs, so they have to fight on two fronts.

I think the HA got too greedy and wanted to take over everything. The original Rizzuto/HA alliance worked well from a business standpoint and they also had enough muscle to keep the street gangs down, it was probably the HAs that broke it

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Originally Posted by Montrose
It's also notable that Silva said they still had the ability to import coke, and they were planning to take over the street trade. It make sense but there was speculation that Pietrantonio and Scoppa were the main importers the Rizzutos had and they both switch sides, as well as all the talk about the Mexicans pushing everyone else out.

I guess the Rizzutos are still in the coke trade though.


There is no shortages of importers. Each gangs or clans have their own sources.

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Originally Posted by antimafia
Journalist Daniel Renaud had a $100,000 contract put on his head by the hitman in 2021.

Confessions de Frédérick Silva

Un « contrat » sur la tête d’un journaliste de La Presse
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...a-tete-d-un-journaliste-de-la-presse.php

Contrat sur la tête d’un journaliste: «Ça s’appelle se tirer dans le pied»
https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...liste--ca-sappelle-se-tirer-dans-le-pied

La mise à prix de la tête de Daniel Renaud secoue les politiciens québécois
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2123359/daniel-renaud-contrat-assassinat-frederick-silva

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Originally Posted by Montrose
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Originally Posted by Montrose
You really have to admire the Rizzutos, they are resilient as hell. They've been under assault for 15 years straight and they're still going. They've survived Desjardins, Montagna, Mirarchi, many of their own people switching sides, the Scoppa bros, street gangs and the HA attacking them, they've survived the death of Vito and the death of Rocco and Giordano, Wooley being killed, Silva turning snitch, Steve Sauce being disabled by cancer. They're probably making a fraction of the money they used to make.

But even with many people lined up against them they still can't put them down for good, now matter how much of a beating they take they always strike back, they always have another play. Chit Del Balso being clipped(by a sniper no less) shows that, you can never discount them.

If they survive whatever prosecution comes out of Silva's testimony I have a hunch this is eventually going to end with Martin Robert getting clipped. It wouldn't surprise me at this point.


I agree they are very resilient. They always managed to find new allies to counter attack. But I also doubt the Hells are willing to concede all territories , which brings to believe they may also form other alliances to continue this never ending war.

No doubt the HA aren't staying still, they killed Woolley, they killed Tamouro, they almost killed Leonardo. But it seems now they're also in a war with street gangs, so they have to fight on two fronts.

I think the HA got too greedy and wanted to take over everything. The original Rizzuto/HA alliance worked well from a business standpoint and they also had enough muscle to keep the street gangs down, it was probably the HAs that broke it

And where have you learned the Hells Angels killed Gregory Woolley and Samy Tamouro?

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Originally Posted by Ciment
Originally Posted by Montrose
It's also notable that Silva said they still had the ability to import coke, and they were planning to take over the street trade. It make sense but there was speculation that Pietrantonio and Scoppa were the main importers the Rizzutos had and they both switch sides, as well as all the talk about the Mexicans pushing everyone else out.

I guess the Rizzutos are still in the coke trade though.


There is no shortages of importers. Each gangs or clans have their own sources.


There definitely are no shortages of importers in Montreal, that’s for damn sure

I’d say the HA’s or gangs were responsible for Woolley, I just don’t see the Rizzuto/Sollecito faction having a good reason to pop him


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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1106465
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I'd say it's obvious the HAs were behind Woolley. Especially now since we know that Woolley completely switched sides to the Rizzutos and was clipping HAs.

As for Tamouro, I didn't mention him, but it wouldn't surprise me if the HAs hired some local Mexicans to do the deed, the same way Steve Sauce did with Moreno Gallo.

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It's not obvious. If you've been following along the Arab Power is suspected to have killed Gregory Woolley while he was mediating a dispute between them and Antonio Accurso.

And you did mention Samy Tamouro

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Originally Posted by Montrose
It's also notable that Silva said they still had the ability to import coke, and they were planning to take over the street trade. It make sense but there was speculation that Pietrantonio and Scoppa were the main importers the Rizzutos had and they both switch sides, as well as all the talk about the Mexicans pushing everyone else out.

I guess the Rizzutos are still in the coke trade though.




You misunderstand. The Mexicans dont violently push people out. At least not outside Mexico. They just move more coke. They will sell to anyone. Just like Albanians in the UK. The presence of the Mexicans democratizes access to narcotics, and loosens the levers of control in the streets. Before, you had the main lines be Italians or the Hells. Now, they feel they dont need them.

Do they use a broker? A lot of these journalist keep confusing brokers with importers. You see the pattern because these guys make like a few thousand per kilo. Like sales commisions. At one point Scoppa was said to the ability to import 1000 kilos. Then they have him paying 40k per brick and making 2k a kilo. Something off there.....its the same with Roberto Scoppa and another guy Vito posted about, a Rizzuto broker...

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Originally Posted by Mafia101
It's not obvious. If you've been following along the Arab Power is suspected to have killed Gregory Woolley while he was mediating a dispute between them and Antonio Accurso.

And you did mention Samy Tamouro



He was at the big Hell Angels rally/ ride in like full Hells gear...right? But I think that murder was a favor to Mom Boucher. So maybe it wasnt part of this bigger conflict.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1106486
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Originally Posted by antimafia
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Journalist Daniel Renaud had a $100,000 contract put on his head by the hitman in 2021.

Confessions de Frédérick Silva

Un « contrat » sur la tête d’un journaliste de La Presse
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...a-tete-d-un-journaliste-de-la-presse.php

Contrat sur la tête d’un journaliste: «Ça s’appelle se tirer dans le pied»
https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...liste--ca-sappelle-se-tirer-dans-le-pied

La mise à prix de la tête de Daniel Renaud secoue les politiciens québécois
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2123359/daniel-renaud-contrat-assassinat-frederick-silva


Notorious Quebec hit man wanted to have La Presse journalist killed for $100K
Daniel Renaud 'shaken' when police told him in 2022 there had been a contract on him
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/hit-man-wanted-to-kill-journalist-1.7397281


Quebec politicians shocked by news of contract put on La Presse reporter's life
A professional killer-turned-police informer told authorities that he had offered a $100,000 bounty on the life of crime reporter Daniel Renaud.
https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...contract-put-on-la-presse-reporters-life

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Chapter 1

Confessions of Frederick Silva
The Rise of a Cold-Blooded Killer

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Well we got our answee

Silva is italian and grew in a crip gang from pie9, mostly of haitian descent (the gang).

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Blackmobs] #1106532
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Originally Posted by Blackmobs
Well we got our answee

Silva is italian and grew in a crip gang from pie9, mostly of haitian descent (the gang).

I need to apologize to you and the rest of the forum for all but declaring that Silva is not Italian. My apologies to all.

Below is a link to a death notice for his father. The original online obituary from the funeral home is no longer available.

https://www.domainefuneraire.com/avis-de-deces/pietro-silva

Silva’s path as a criminal career may have appeared unusual to me, as did the fact that police stated he could speak only English and French, but neither my impressions nor his only spoken languages change the reality that he has Italian ancestry on his father’s side.

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Silva is an Italian and Portuguese surname , now making its idyllic mark as a beautiful personal name for girls. Rich in nature, Silva comes from the Latin word silva, meaning “forest” and “woodland,” and is related to Silvia and Silvio.


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"Silva" is the most common surname in both Portugal and Brazil.

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There are approx. 31 million Brazilians with Italian ancestry

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In the mid-2000s, Silva became a member of a gang, the Kraz Brizz, and had the name of the group tattooed on his back.

Silva being a member of Krazz Brizz is really important.
Kraze Brize is a créole expression (meaning smashing breaking). And the gang was formed from the CDP gang.
When the Syndicates and the hells angels were arrested in the mid 2010s.
The Zephir brothers and the Krazz Brizz were the gang controling everything for the Syndicates and guys from the HAs.
Krazz Brizz is a really important gang in the criminal world of Montreal. One of the most important.
Silva being a member of this gang, make him really important in the gang world

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Some documents I’ve dug up for Fréderick Silva’s family:

Marriage record for his parents:

https://share.evernote.com/note/a831c679-29f5-4534-8c5a-94110e3b7c90

Voters’ list in 1974 for St. Michel, in Montreal. Silva’s parents and paternal grandparents lived at 9021 Rochette:

https://share.evernote.com/note/da2c6626-ea3e-4eb5-a634-2ee38805ba4f

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A minor news item that mentions Frédérick Silva’s father, Pietro, in the Nov. 5, 2005 edition of The Gazette (Montreal).

https://img.newspapers.com/img/img?...p;crop=2899_2769_566_1068&rotation=0

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Originally Posted by Ciment

There are approx. 31 million Brazilians with Italian ancestry


It's a latin name so common in southern european countries variations are Silva, da Silva, and de Silva.


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Make me wonder, why Silva was not a made guy, but a gang member.

Was it because, they never noticed him ?
He was mixed ? And in Montreal, made guy most be fully italian ?

Because it look like Silva could have been a great made guy for any montreal’s crime families.

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