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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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Why is it that in Apulia, they say that there was no mafia type organization until maybe 1980s? Is that correct? If so ,what took so long? The northern part of the Apulia was influenced by Raffaele Cutolo ' s NCO and other part by the ndrangheta. Its incorrect to say that before the 1980 there was no crime group but they became organized when the Apulia with his position became a route for cigarette smuggling and heroin traffick. First was only small time criminals and after born the SCU. There is a movie Fine Pena:Mai that was the story of a real gangster from street thug in the 1970s to boss thanks to drug money until he get life.
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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Interesting that SCU members are hiding in Corsica. Historically the Sicilians always had the most contact with the Corsicans. The times are changed. Now the ndrangheta are the big player in the drug trade so the Corsicans have more interes to make an alliance with the Calabrians. I always immaginate the Corsica as the Sicily of the France but seems strange to me that the SCU members are hising there. yes, in the past they were more linked with the Sicilians because of the international drug trafficking, today they are more linked with the Ndrangheta that is very present in the French riviera
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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Why is it that in Apulia, they say that there was no mafia type organization until maybe 1980s? Is that correct? If so ,what took so long? The northern part of the Apulia was influenced by Raffaele Cutolo ' s NCO and other part by the ndrangheta. Its incorrect to say that before the 1980 there was no crime group but they became organized when the Apulia with his position became a route for cigarette smuggling and heroin traffick. First was only small time criminals and after born the SCU. There is a movie Fine Pena:Mai that was the story of a real gangster from street thug in the 1970s to boss thanks to drug money until he get life. Who were the 179 men, supposed branch of the Camorra,tried in Bari in 1891? Were they an organized crime group that never gets overlooked ? Or just a roundup of street criminals https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48101549
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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Why is it that in Apulia, they say that there was no mafia type organization until maybe 1980s? Is that correct? If so ,what took so long? The northern part of the Apulia was influenced by Raffaele Cutolo ' s NCO and other part by the ndrangheta. Its incorrect to say that before the 1980 there was no crime group but they became organized when the Apulia with his position became a route for cigarette smuggling and heroin traffick. First was only small time criminals and after born the SCU. There is a movie Fine Pena:Mai that was the story of a real gangster from street thug in the 1970s to boss thanks to drug money until he get life. Who were the 179 men, supposed branch of the Camorra,tried in Bari in 1891? Were they an organized crime group that never gets overlooked ? Or just a roundup of street criminals https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48101549the 'camorristi' were present for centuries in the prisons of the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies but they only became organized in 1800, I don't know if this is the case but probably something organized was already there in Puglia
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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12/13/24 12:10 PM
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The Underworld in Puglia is diverse for example the Sacra Corona Unita (SCU), or United Sacred Crown, is a Mafia-like criminal organization from the region of Apulia (in Italian Puglia) and is especially active in the areas of Brindisi and Lecce and not, as people tend to believe, in the region as a whole. It gets confusing trying to sort them out. Is the one in Lecce and Brindisi also active in Bari,another area on the seacoast ?
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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The Foggia society is not a branch of the SCU. It lacks an aggregating summit, but has a compact internal structure, being organized in "batteries" on a federal model with a strong family connotation. This aspect determines a consequent impenetrability that represents a strong point, to which is added the strong roots in the territory, I've read that the Barese Camorra is active in Bari,although its not the same as the Neapolitan Camorra. Would they be organized in Bari the way the Foggia Socirty is in Foggia ,for the same reasons? And is the Barese Camorra the only group in Bari or is the SCU of Lecce and Brindisi ,also in Bari ?
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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In the 80's, Salvatore Contini, a member of the Sardinian mafia, and Jean marc Leccia, a famous chemist of the French connection, killed Guy Orsoni, a member of an important criminal clan which is still active today and runs part of Southern Corsica. Contini and Leccia were quickly arrested.
At the time, the Orsoni clan was also involved with the independantist guerilla in Corsica so it had 3 of their guys break in to the prison and kill Contini and Leccia then surrender to the police.
That's the Corsicans for you...Fierce people.
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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In the 80's, Salvatore Contini, a member of the Sardinian mafia, and Jean marc Leccia, a famous chemist of the French connection, killed Guy Orsoni, a member of an important criminal clan which is still active today and runs part of Southern Corsica. Contini and Leccia were quickly arrested.
At the time, the Orsoni clan was also involved with the independantist guerilla in Corsica so it had 3 of their guys break in to the prison and kill Contini and Leccia then surrender to the police.
That's the Corsicans for you...Fierce people. Are Corsicans Italian but just politically part of France? Or are they French in a area that is geographically part of Italy? Or a mixed Italian/French people with no way to distinguish if a Corsican is either French or Italian?
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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In the 80's, Salvatore Contini, a member of the Sardinian mafia, and Jean marc Leccia, a famous chemist of the French connection, killed Guy Orsoni, a member of an important criminal clan which is still active today and runs part of Southern Corsica. Contini and Leccia were quickly arrested.
At the time, the Orsoni clan was also involved with the independantist guerilla in Corsica so it had 3 of their guys break in to the prison and kill Contini and Leccia then surrender to the police.
That's the Corsicans for you...Fierce people. They probably were among the toughest, smartest and most sophisticated criminals of the last century, they were just too few of them so they never could become as big as the Italians, Colombians, Russians etc.
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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12/13/24 04:27 PM
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In the 80's, Salvatore Contini, a member of the Sardinian mafia, and Jean marc Leccia, a famous chemist of the French connection, killed Guy Orsoni, a member of an important criminal clan which is still active today and runs part of Southern Corsica. Contini and Leccia were quickly arrested.
At the time, the Orsoni clan was also involved with the independantist guerilla in Corsica so it had 3 of their guys break in to the prison and kill Contini and Leccia then surrender to the police.
That's the Corsicans for you...Fierce people. Are Corsicans Italian but just politically part of France? Or are they French in a area that is geographically part of Italy? Or a mixed Italian/French people with no way to distinguish if a Corsican is either French or Italian? Corsicans are not Italians, per se. But they do share many similarities to the Italian people related to the Italian language and people and culture. The fact that they are so geographically close to Italy has helped in that regard through the years.
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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12/13/24 04:59 PM
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In the 80's, Salvatore Contini, a member of the Sardinian mafia, and Jean marc Leccia, a famous chemist of the French connection, killed Guy Orsoni, a member of an important criminal clan which is still active today and runs part of Southern Corsica. Contini and Leccia were quickly arrested.
At the time, the Orsoni clan was also involved with the independantist guerilla in Corsica so it had 3 of their guys break in to the prison and kill Contini and Leccia then surrender to the police.
That's the Corsicans for you...Fierce people. Are Corsicans Italian but just politically part of France? Or are they French in a area that is geographically part of Italy? Or a mixed Italian/French people with no way to distinguish if a Corsican is either French or Italian? The island of Corsica was mainly settled by migrants from Tuscany and Liguria. When it comes to genetic heritage the Corsicans are basically original Northern Italians. Due to the fact that they lived on an insular and mountainous island in the Mediterranean they developed their own close-knit traditions. I'd say they're ethnically Northern Italian (Tuscan/Ligurian) and culturally closer to Sicilians (seeing Sicily is in many ways a "sister island" of Corsica). Due to the fact that they've been living under French rule for a long time they adopted for instance French first names, but ethnically and culturally they're in many ways more "Italian" than they're "French".
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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In the 80's, Salvatore Contini, a member of the Sardinian mafia, and Jean marc Leccia, a famous chemist of the French connection, killed Guy Orsoni, a member of an important criminal clan which is still active today and runs part of Southern Corsica. Contini and Leccia were quickly arrested.
At the time, the Orsoni clan was also involved with the independantist guerilla in Corsica so it had 3 of their guys break in to the prison and kill Contini and Leccia then surrender to the police.
That's the Corsicans for you...Fierce people. Are Corsicans Italian but just politically part of France? Or are they French in a area that is geographically part of Italy? Or a mixed Italian/French people with no way to distinguish if a Corsican is either French or Italian? The island of Corsica was mainly settled by migrants from Tuscany and Liguria. When it comes to genetic heritage the Corsicans are basically original Northern Italians. Due to the fact that they lived on an insular and mountainous island in the Mediterranean they developed their own close-knit traditions. I'd say they're ethnically Northern Italian (Tuscan/Ligurian) and culturally closer to Sicilians (seeing Sicily is in many ways a "sister island" of Corsica). Due to the fact that they've been living under French rule for a long time they adopted for instance French first names, but ethnically and culturally they're in many ways more "Italian" than they're "French". I agree with your assessment. In fact, if you look at many Corsican first names and surnames, many at very Italianate in both their spelling and pronunciation. To the point that you think you're reading about Italians. And yes, the close geography of Sicily and Corsica also plays a part in this.
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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In the 80's, Salvatore Contini, a member of the Sardinian mafia, and Jean marc Leccia, a famous chemist of the French connection, killed Guy Orsoni, a member of an important criminal clan which is still active today and runs part of Southern Corsica. Contini and Leccia were quickly arrested.
At the time, the Orsoni clan was also involved with the independantist guerilla in Corsica so it had 3 of their guys break in to the prison and kill Contini and Leccia then surrender to the police.
That's the Corsicans for you...Fierce people. They probably were among the toughest, smartest and most sophisticated criminals of the last century, they were just too few of them so they never could become as big as the Italians, Colombians, Russians etc. Corsican organized crime has been operating more "underground" for at least the last two decades. Organized drug crime is more of a hot topic in France these days and the drug trade is dominated by Algerians in the big cities. Corsican gangsters however are definitely operating in a rather sophisticated and shrewd way as far as organized crime goes. And they were deep in the '70s and early '80s. Family of mine lived in Brussels back in those days. The heroin trade in Brussels was completely controlled by French guys who in turn worked with the Corsican mob that operated from Marseille. Family of my father's side lived in an apartment above a bar operated by some shady French guy. That guy often had visits from guys coming over from the South of France - apparently you could tell by the accent and French-Corsican gangsters were spoken often about and were very feared in those days, even in Belgium. Anyway, that French guy who owned the bar in the apartment was sketchy, but also a bit of a loudmouth and not the sharpest tool in the shed. One day he just packed to leave for the French Riviera. Nobody heard anything about that guy for months and after a while word got back to the people living in that block that they found him burned to death in his car in Marseille. The French-Corsican heroin underworld was ruthless back in the days and they didn't think twice about having you clipped when they had a hunch you could become a liability.
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Re: Alliance between Corsican mafia and Italian mafia
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In the 80's, Salvatore Contini, a member of the Sardinian mafia, and Jean marc Leccia, a famous chemist of the French connection, killed Guy Orsoni, a member of an important criminal clan which is still active today and runs part of Southern Corsica. Contini and Leccia were quickly arrested.
At the time, the Orsoni clan was also involved with the independantist guerilla in Corsica so it had 3 of their guys break in to the prison and kill Contini and Leccia then surrender to the police.
That's the Corsicans for you...Fierce people. Are Corsicans Italian but just politically part of France? Or are they French in a area that is geographically part of Italy? Or a mixed Italian/French people with no way to distinguish if a Corsican is either French or Italian? The island of Corsica was mainly settled by migrants from Tuscany and Liguria. When it comes to genetic heritage the Corsicans are basically original Northern Italians. Due to the fact that they lived on an insular and mountainous island in the Mediterranean they developed their own close-knit traditions. I'd say they're ethnically Northern Italian (Tuscan/Ligurian) and culturally closer to Sicilians (seeing Sicily is in many ways a "sister island" of Corsica). Due to the fact that they've been living under French rule for a long time they adopted for instance French first names, but ethnically and culturally they're in many ways more "Italian" than they're "French". I agree with your assessment. In fact, if you look at many Corsican first names and surnames, many at very Italianate in both their spelling and pronunciation. To the point that you think you're reading about Italians. And yes, the close geography of Sicily and Corsica also plays a part in this. For some reason Ligurians ,like in Genoa were considered ethnically/racially as Southern Italians during the Italian diasphora to America in early 1900s
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