Originally Posted by Havana
Is it possible that in early days of Investigators investigating the "mafia" when they weren't even sure there was a "mafia" that many "made members" were labeled as associates
For example ,it would be like saying Genovese was an Associate of Luciano. Or both Genovese and Luciano were Associates of Masseria

Then as time went on and more was learned about the "Mafia" or "Cosa Nostra" investigators became aware that there were secret societies and that there were such a thing as Members-"Made Members" who took oaths to join
But that the FBI or other Investigators may not have bothered to go back and rename all their formerly labeled "Associates" as "Made Members" maybe because they were already dead or out of the life?

Especially in areas outside of places like NYC,Philadelphia,Chicago there were cities where guys were known to be in someway "Associates" of mob guys in the bigger cities but no way to know if they were ever actual "Made Members" or not,regardless of volumes maybe being known about their organized crime activities.



Good morning, Havana.

I have little doubt that at some point in time somewhere along the way — here in NY and elsewhere — that certainly did happen.

I think a good example of what you’re asking about occurred up in New England back in the 1930s when future Genovese Family consiglieri Michele (Mike) Miranda’s brother — Antonio Miranda — relocated there to marry a woman, who — for lack of a better term — was a gangster in her own right. He ended up becoming enmeshed as her partner in a bootlegging operation and other activities.

As the brother of Miranda, I strongly suspect that Antonio must have also been an inducted member of that Family. In fact, I’d actually be very surprised if he was not.

I’m sure there are other examples as well. But I immediately thought of Tony Miranda as I read your comment.

Last edited by NYMafia; 01/17/25 10:17 AM.