His last interview he gave from his hiding place in Russia: "It's a witch hunt against me. I don't know this Van Uffelen at all. I've never met him."
When we video call, we see Marco Ebben in a small room with a poster of Putin on the wall. "My girlfriend's family here are fans." Only his eyes are visible, he is wearing a black balaclava and a cap. "My appearance has changed a bit since the last photos that were in circulation.

The camera pans to two automatic weapons, an AK-47 Kalashnikov and an M4 carbine. On one copy are the initials ME, in the other, gold-colored with the Dutch flag, his full name is engraved.

“Apart from my father, who might not recognize me anymore, I have no business in the Netherlands. Cold, annoying people (he bursts out laughing), not for me. I hardly talk to anyone in the Netherlands anymore. With my lawyer, with you now. I like being on my own.”

I have a very rich in-law family, both in Russia and in Italy. They are part of the government and I do my bit within those families. Let's leave it at that. I won't say more, that will be interesting for the Public Prosecution Service. Soon they will also start harassing my in-laws and they have to stay out of everything. Just like my father. He is an old man of 72, he has served his sentence. Leave that man alone for once.”