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Re: Israel: 'State of war' [Re: Hollander] #1117986
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Trump uncuffing Israel
Israel National News Arutz Sheva by Melanie Phillips 21 March 2025

Extracts:
  • Qatar is Hamas
What really sticks in the craw however is that one crucial card has not been played by either the United States or Israel

1. Qatar is the creator, funder and protector of Hamas;
2. in effect, Qatar is Hamas

If America had put significant pressure on Qatar’s rulers to release the hostages and surrender the Hamas leaders it was sheltering, the war would have ended
Instead, both the United States and Israel have used Qatar as "dispassionate honest brokers" in the grotesque Hamas negotiation circus

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The reason for America’s attitude is undoubtedly the vast investments Qatar has shrewdly made in the United States that have made the Gulf state an invaluable contributor to American prosperity

1. Indeed, the US special envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, reportedly has a significant financial relationship with Qatar
2. There are also allegations that Qatar secretly funded Israeli officials and influencers, including some connected to the prime minister’s office

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This may be propaganda but Israel’s indulgence of the Islamists of Qatar is baffling

  • Maybe, precisely because Hamas knows that if it kills the remaining hostages it will lose its only leverage, it won’t murder those who remain under its vicious thumb
  • Maybe the IDF will get to them before Hamas can do so
  • Maybe the increased military pressure will force them to release their captives

With no realistic alternative to the war, we can only hope and pray

*Melanie Phillips, a British journalist, broadcaster and author, writes a weekly column for Jewish News Syndicate JNS Currently a columnist for The Times of London

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From: The Times of Israel March 22, 2025
Witkoff: Hamas isn’t ideologically intractable, Gaza conflict can end through dialogue

In candid podcast interview, top Trump aide indicates renewed IDF strikes may be necessary after Hamas intransigence, says PM ‘going up against Israeli public opinion that wants hostages back’

Witkoff held the conversation with Tucker Carlson, a right-wing talk show host who has come under fire in American Jewish circles for hosting guests who have pushed antisemitic claims and Holocaust revisionism. He is also known to enjoy a very large fan base, particularly among Trump supporters.

The filmed podcast interview began with Trump’s Mideast envoy explaining that his job requires him to understand the motivations of the various players with whom he engages.

“What does Hamas want? I think:
1. they want to stay there till the end of time.
2. They want to rule Gaza, and that’s unacceptable.
3. We had to know that… What they want is unacceptable,”
4. “What’s acceptable to us is [that] they need to demilitarize.
5. Then maybe they could stay there a little bit… be involved politically,”
6. “But… we can’t have a terrorist organization running Gaza because that won’t be acceptable to Israel.
7. Then we’ll just have the same exact experiences, that every five, 10, 15 years we’re going to have another October 7”

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Pressed on what it’s like negotiating with Hamas, Witkoff acknowledged that he’s not talking to the terror group directly and that he uses Qatar as a mediator.

Originally Posted by Trojan
I reckon no Trump staff blinks without him knowing, without his permission...

The US envoy did sign off on Trump’s hostage envoy Adam Boehler holding secret direct talks with Hamas officials earlier this year.

However, Washington abandoned those talks after they were leaked by Israel, which learned about them after the fact and fumed over Boehler negotiating on its behalf, a senior Arab diplomat told The Times of Israel earlier this month.

Hamas’s motivations:
While he has worked to understand Hamas through the negotiations, Witkoff said he was also informed by the footage compilation of the terror group’s October 7 onslaught that Israeli authorities screened for him during his first visit to Israel upon taking the position.

1. “It was horrific.
2. It is about mass rapes.
3. There were pictures of Hamas people cutting the head off, of an Israeli soldier…
4. he recalled: It’s beyond what I’ve ever seen,”

“It can taint the way you’re going to feel about [Hamas]. Sometimes as a negotiator, you have to be dispassionate,” Witkoff continued.

“It’s not easy to make decisions if you’re going to [watch the film] but I had to see [it]… We can’t ignore the reality of what happened on October 7
They would tell you that they’ve got justification, but there’s no justification… for what happened that day.”

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Still, Witkoff went back to the importance of understanding Hamas’s motivations.

“You have to know what Hamas wants…
and then you’ve got to figure out what you can give them that allows them to walk out because that’s what’s needed here,”

“What we heard in the beginning of this conflict is Hamas is ideological, that they’re prepared to die for a whole variety of reasons.

I personally — and I talk to the president about this… I said to him, ‘I don’t think that they are as ideologically locked in’.
They’re not ideologically intractable. I never believed that,” Witkoff maintained.

“They strap the suicide vest onto young kids who don’t know what they’re doing… They tell them a story.
“Once you understand that [Hamas] wanted to live, then you were able to talk to them in a more effective way,” he argued.

Pressed on how he reached this conclusion about Hamas, Witkoff said he has read lots of US intelligence reports and also felt “the rhythm and the cadence of the negotiation.” “That’s when I came to the conclusion that they wanted alternatives,” he said.

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The comments rationalizing Hamas were somewhat similar to ones made by Boehler in a series of interviews with American and Israeli press on March 9 that infuriated Netanyahu and his inner circle.

The premier’s top aide, Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer, went on to lobby Trump officials to sideline Boehler after those interviews, a US official told The Times of Israel earlier this month.

Regardless, Hamas has yet to move from its stance in the negotiations as Witkoff had hoped.

The terror group snubbed a bridge proposal he submitted last week that would have seen phase one of the ceasefire extended through next month’s Passover holiday, along with the release of five live hostages and a large number of Palestinian security prisoners.

Hamas has insisted on sticking to the original terms of the deal Witkoff helped ink in January, which should have seen negotiations on a second phase begin some two weeks into the ceasefire.

But Israel refused to proceed with such talks, as a second phase would obligate the IDF to fully withdraw its troops from Gaza and agree to a permanent end to the war.

While Netanyahu signed on to these terms, he has also insisted that he will not agree to end the war before Hamas’s military and governing capabilities have been dismantled.

The US accepted the Israeli stance and worked to extend the first phase, rather than proceeding with the second.

Hamas didn’t accept the approach and instead offered to release American-Israeli hostage Edan Alexander along with the bodies of four other hostages with US citizenship — an offer that was based on the discussions that the terror group held with Boehler earlier this month, the senior Arab diplomat said.

But the Trump administration had already moved on from those direct talks, and Witkoff on March 16 called the Hamas proposal a “non-starter.”

Two days later, Israel resumed airstrikes in Gaza for the first time in two months under orders from Netanyahu, who cited the terror group’s “repeated refusal” to release hostages.

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Ceasefire can still be restored:

Still, Witkoff maintained Friday that he was hopeful the ceasefire could be restored. “There have been signs,” he said. “The Israelis going in [to Gaza] is:
1. in some respects unfortunate,
2. and in some respects falls into the ‘had to be’ bucket.”

Witkoff recalled warning Arab leaders during a gathering in Doha last week that Hamas’s “completely inappropriate” response to the bridge proposal “was going to result in some sort of military action.”

“I did not know before the Israelis went in,” he clarified, appearing to contradict claims by White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt earlier this week that Israel had consulted the US before ending the Gaza ceasefire.

Nonetheless, Witkoff insisted that “We may be able to use this to get Hamas to be a whole lot more reasonable.”
The Trump envoy later revealed that the sides “are talking again” since the Israeli strikes.

“We’re in a negotiation right now to maybe stop some of these Israeli strikes and maybe finish this conflict with dialogue,” he said.
If I don’t have a feeling that we can accomplish that, why would I waste my time?”

For his part, the senior Arab diplomat told The Times of Israel that the talks have been stuck since the IDF renewed airstrikes.

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Witkoff: “We can’t rebuild Gaza [for it to again become] a welfare system.” True no more terrorist affiliated UNRWA
“We need real elections in Gaza… We need a real security force there…

If Israel thinks they’re going to have a problem in Gaza because Hamas is going to be there long-term, this is never going to end,”

However, Witkoff did reiterate the Trump administration’s policy on Hamas. “A terrorist organization cannot govern Gaza – that is unacceptable to Israel.
What is possible, however, is for them to disarm. Then they can stay for a while and even be politically involved.”

“They need to demilitarize, and then they might also be politically involved in Gaza,” he said while discussing Hamas’s rationale and goals for negotiations.

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Potential for regional spill-over:
Alongside his aspirations for Gaza are also concerns for regional destabilization if the war there drags on.

“King Abdullah in Jordan has done an amazing job figuring out how to how to deal with that instability, but in some respects, he’s been lucky,” Witkoff said.
He warned that the recent rollback of Iranian proxies in Syria and Lebanon “could all be reversed if we lose Egypt.”

Pointing to Egypt’s high youth unemployment, Witkoff said, “A country can’t exist like that. They’re largely broke. They need a lot of help.”

Notably, the Trump aide made no mention of Egypt’s role in mediating between Israel and Hamas — as he has in the past — focusing solely on Qatar

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The concern even extends to Saudi Arabia where “people are worried about [the] young population and how they’re looking at [the Gaza war], which is why we’ve got to solve Gaza,” the Trump envoy argued.

“If we solve Gaza… then Saudi can normalize,” Wiktoff said.

Riyadh has repeatedly insisted, though, that it will not normalize relations with Israel absent Jerusalem agreeing to a credible, irreversible pathway to a Palestinian state, which Netanyahu has long rejected.

Still, Witkoff said, “We’re going to be announcing several new countries who are joining,” and separately claimed that Lebanon and Syria are potential candidates.

“The indications are that Jolani is a different person than he once was,” he argued, referring to Syria’s interim leader Ahmed al-Sharaa by the nom de guerre he held as a senior al-Qaeda operative. “So maybe Jolani in Syria is a different guy. They’ve driven Iran out.”

As for Turkey Trump “had a great conversation with Erdogan a couple of days ago — really transformational,” he continued.
“There’s a lot of positive news coming out of Turkey right now as a result of that conversation. You’ll see that in the reporting in the coming days.”

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In defense of Qatar:
Witkoff was also given the opportunity to address criticism over his warm relations with Qatar, which began before he entered the Trump administration when he was a real estate investor.

Qatar has been accused of supporting Hamas and other extremist factions in the region.
Doha has countered that its hosting of Hamas officials was at the request of Israel and the US.

Jerusalem and Washington also urged the Gulf kingdom to funnel large amounts of aid to Gaza, which has come under renewed scrutiny since October 7 with critics arguing that it allowed Hamas to amass its military arsenal.

“The Qataris… are criticized for not being well motivated. It’s preposterous.
They are well motivated,” Witkoff said, using the same term he used to characterize Israel’s leadership.

He dismissed as “preposterous” the criticism that the Qataris operate as agents of Iran.

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Intimidating the parties: ‘Peace through strength’

Carlson asked Witkoff about reports — including in The Times of Israel — that he managed to sway Netanyahu more in one fateful January meeting than Biden did in countless interactions aimed at wrapping up the war.

“President Trump sets the table. This whole ‘Peace through strength’ thing — it’s not just a slogan. It actually works.
When he dispatches you to go to the Middle East, people are almost a little bit intimidated before you get there,” Witkoff reflected.

He said Israel, Hamas and Qatar all didn’t want to defy Trump by refusing to accept the ceasefire.
“It was the president’s overarching personality, and letting everybody know that success was not an option. It had to be.”

“The story was that you just kind of rolled in and said, ‘Here’s what we’re doing. Here’s what the president wants,” Carlson primed.
“Well, that’s what [Trump] would do. So that’s what I did,” responded a smiling Witkoff.

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Hamas is becoming more dangerous every day
The Jerusalem Post by Peled Arbeli 23 March 2025

Who is this guy? Rafael Hayon for Mossad Chief....

Extracts:
  • Hamas is becoming more dangerous every day
Citizen who warned of October 7 says “Hamas is becoming more dangerous every day”

Rafael Hayon claims Hamas now operates underground and records everything in real time
Hayon also noted they smuggle weapons in ways the IDF can't detect

Rafael Hayon, a Netivot resident who warned the IDF about communications between Hamas and the Islamic Jihad in 2023 says,
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”Hamas has altered its combat strategy and is practicing ceaselessly becoming more dangerous every day”

In 2023 Hayon informed Israeli security officials of military activity in the Gaza Strip after intercepting communications from Hamas and Islamic Jihad through an intelligence cell Hayon set up inside of his home

Hayon's listening equipment was confiscated by the IDF which claimed that his activity endangered combat forces in the area

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“As of this moment, Hamas is training non-stop, mainly underground and in places where the IDF at least for now, is not operating”

“Not only is Hamas training, it is also recruiting a large number of new people for its ranks”

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Hamas is becoming more dangerous every day
The Jerusalem Post by Peled Arbeli 23 March 2025

Who is this guy? Rafael Hayon for Mossad Chief....

Extracts:
  • Will Hamas resume fighting?

Hayon said,
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"From what I hear:
Hamas don't yet know what will happen in terms of returning to fighting at full intensity but right now, they don't consider it a priority”
1. For them, the situation remains unchanged as long as they have the hostages in their hands
2. The leverage they have right now is the hostages
3. They know that this is what keeps them alive and that Israeli forces don't attack the locations [where the hostages are held]

Hayon claims that the terrorist organization’s mode of operation has been drastically altered
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"What has changed with Hamas is that they used to fight above ground and now they only fight underground They are hardly exposed”

Hayon stated,
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“Today, they ask every fighter to have a camera on them to record and broadcast everything in real-time

They smuggle weapons on a daily basis in ways that the IDF cannot detect”

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Hamas is becoming more dangerous every day
The Jerusalem Post by Peled Arbeli 23 March 2025

Who is this guy? Rafael Hayon for Mossad Chief....

Extracts:
  • Harsh reality 'Hamas is completely in control'

Hayon told Maariv that he has continued observing Hamas’ activities and warned that it remains a formidable threat
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“Hamas's current warfare strategy is such that one Nukbah terrorist today is worth ten Nukbah terrorists of October 7”

Hayon said,
1. Hamas' survival rate
2. the conditions they find themselves in
3. their combat strength
4. and their method of guerrilla fighting
[make them more powerful than before]

“Hamas has learned and in the process of learning, they changed all their tactics”

Hayon added,
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"Hamas is completely in control; the blow the organization has suffered is not enough to bring it down”

Hayon expressed concern that the situation in the Gaza Strip is not being clearly communicated to the public,
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“Hamas does not stop; it continues to grow stronger and I just want someone to hear this, to take it seriously — so that we do not return to that terrible day”

Please! Don't make October 7 mistake again

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Originally Posted by Trojan
From: The Times of Israel March 22, 2025

Extracts:
United States Special Envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff:
1. “What does Hamas want?
2. “You have to know what Hamas wants…

  • Total annihilation of Israel That's what Hamas and the other terrorists want
Read the papers! Read the papers!

Witkoff said,
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“We’re in a negotiation right now to maybe stop some of these Israeli strikes and maybe finish this conflict with dialogue,”

If I don’t have a feeling that we can accomplish that, why would I waste my time?”

For his part, the senior Arab diplomat told The Times of Israel that the talks have been stuck since the IDF renewed airstrikes.

The terror group snubbed a bridge proposal he submitted last week

US special envoy for US hostages and missing persons Adam Boehler Take note! Hamas nor any terrorists are ‘nice guys’

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Resumption of war ‘is on Hamas’ for not agreeing to the ‘bridge’ offer
The Times of Israel by Jacob Magid 23 March 2025

Extracts:
  • Witkoff ‘bridge’ offer

US special envoy to the Mideast Steve Witkoff says Hamas may have ‘duped’ him into thinking it was interested in deal
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You see -- all these people are terrorists their terror is based on that

Now, one thing that I, learned from The Godfather was knowing that these
terrorists are sick, twisted murderous savages Deal with them accordingly
Now on that basis.... anything's possible — Israel's Security, Peace and no more
terror Never again

Trump envoy says resumption of war ‘is on Hamas’ for not agreeing to his ‘bridge’ offer;

Witkoff said in an interview Sunday that Hamas may have “duped” him earlier this month as Witkoff initially thought the terror group had agreed to his bridge proposal to extend the ceasefire in Gaza, only for it to pull back

Witkoff told Fox News, reflecting on his March 12 visit to Doha where he presented his bridge proposal,
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“I thought we had an acceptable deal. I even thought we had an approval from Hamas

Maybe that’s just me getting duped. I thought we were there and evidently, we weren’t”

The proposal would have seen the ceasefire extended through April 19 and have Hamas release five living hostages in exchange for a larger number of Palestinian security prisoners Israel says it accepted Witkoff’s proposal but said it would have freed 11 living hostages

In submitting his bridge proposal earlier this month, Witkoff accepted Israel’s aversion to phase two

Witkoff in sharp and clear statements:
1. Hamas misled me - You let them...
2. We are on Israel's side 100 percent
3. The aggressor here is Hamas

aggressor has always been terrorists Hamas — Force Hamas To Give Up All Hostages And Then Vanquish Them Forever — Non-negotiable
Make all the terrorists Extinct Make Israel Great Again

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Resumption of war ‘is on Hamas’ for not agreeing to the ‘bridge’ offer
The Times of Israel by Jacob Magid 23 March 2025

Extracts:
  • This war becomes the alternative and it is unfortunate

US special envoy to the Mideast Steve Witkoff told Fox
1. This is on Hamas
2. The United States stands with the State of Israel
3. That’s a 100% commitment”

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“We’ve expressed that Hamas had every opportunity to demilitarize, to accept the bridging proposal that would have given us a 40 or 50 day ceasefire where we could have discussed demilitarization and a final truce

There were all kinds of opportunities to do that and they elected not to”
Witkoff added,
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“This (war) becomes the alternative and it is unfortunate”

Witkoff clarified that the US would still be “amenable” oh, please if Hamas reached out again
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“I certainly hope we get everybody back to the table and get the hostages home”

On Friday, Witkoff had told Tucker Carlson that the parties were already “talking” after Israel resumed its bombardment of Gaza

  • Iran
Asked by Fox about Iran, Witkoff reiterated what he told Carlson’s podcast on Friday about US President Donald Trump’s letter to Iran’s Supreme Leader Al Khamenei

Our signal to Hamas and to Iran is ‘let’s sit down and see if we can through diplomacy get to the right place’
1. If we can, we’re prepared to do that
2. If we can’t, the alternative is not a great alternative

Witkoff said, adding that Iran cannot be allowed to acquire a nuclear weapon
Top security official US National Security Adviser Mike Waltz says US wants ‘full dismantlement’ of Iran’s nuke program

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Resumption of war ‘is on Hamas’ for not agreeing to the ‘bridge’ offer
The Times of Israel by Jacob Magid 23 March 2025

Extracts:
  • US strikes on Houthis
Asked about the recent US strikes against the Houthis, US National Security Adviser Mike Waltz claimed they have killed key members of the Yemen rebel group’s leadership

Waltz said,
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“We’ve hit their headquarters, we’ve hit communications nodes, weapons factories and even some of their over-the-water drone production facilities just in the last couple of days”

Waltz also knocked the previous administration for not responding forcefully enough against the Iran-backed group which Waltz said continued to threaten key shipping lanes through the Red Sea

Waltz said,
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“The last time one of our destroyers went through the straits there, it was attacked 23 times
Seventy-five percent of our US-flagged shipping now has to go around the southern coast of Africa, rather than going through the Suez Canal”
Waltz added, “keeping trade and commerce open is a fundamental aspect of our national security”

On March 15 the US announced a wave of airstrikes that officials said killed senior Houthi leaders and which the rebels’ health authorities said killed 53 people

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Resumption of war ‘is on Hamas’ for not agreeing to the ‘bridge’ offer
The Times of Israel by Jacob Magid 23 March 2025

Extracts:
  • Houthis slogan “Death to America, Death to Israel, a curse upon the Jews”
The strikes on the Houthis are the most significant American military operation in the Middle East since Donald Trump took office

Trump has said,
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“He would hold Iran responsible for the Houthi strikes”

The Houthis since the IDF resumed fighting in the Gaza Strip earlier this week,
1. have renewed their attacks on Israel
2. and have launched several ballistic missiles

The Houthis began attacking the vital Red Sea maritime route in November 2023 a month after fellow Iran-backed group Hamas stormed southern Israel on October 7, 2023 slaughtering some 1,200 people and taking 251 hostages, sparking the war in Gaza

While the Houthis have said they were attacking Israeli-linked shipping in support of Gaza, they have also targeted vessels with no known Israeli connections

The Houthis — whose slogan is “Death to America, Death to Israel, a curse upon the Jews” — paused their attacks after Israel and Hamas reached a ceasefire and hostage deal in January 2025

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From: The Times of Israel March 25, 2025
Palestinians in at least three locations in the Strip, gather to voice anger at the terror group

Hundreds in Gaza join rare protests against Hamas rule, call for an end to the war chanting:
1. ‘Hamas out,’
2. ‘We want to eat’
3. and holding signs saying ‘Stop war,’

Hundreds of Palestinians protested against Hamas rule and against the war in at least three locations in Gaza on Tuesday, in a relatively rare occurrence in the Strip due to the terror group’s often violent suppression of political dissent.

Footage showed around 100 residents of Beit Lahia, in the northern Gaza Strip, holding a protest calling for an end to the war and an end to Hamas’s governance, with some demonstrators carrying signs reading:
1. “Stop war”
2. “Children in Palestine want to live.”

Additionally, a few video clips captured residents chanting:
1. “Hamas out,”
2. “Hamas terrorists,”
3. “The people want to overthrow Hamas”
4. “Yes to peace, no to the ongoing war.”

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One gathering of residents took place in front of the Indonesian Hospital. Some of the protesters carried white flags.

“I don’t know who organized the protest,” said Mohammed, a demonstrator who declined to give his last name for fear of reprisals.
1. “I took part to send a message on behalf of the people;
2. Enough with the war,”

He said, adding that he had seen “members of the Hamas security forces in civilian clothing breaking up the protest.”

Majdi, another protester who did not wish to give his full name, said the “people are tired.”
“If Hamas leaving power in Gaza is the solution, why doesn’t Hamas give up power to protect the people?” he asked.

Hours after the first protest, another anti-war and anti-Hamas demonstration was held in northern Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp, with dozens of demonstrators burning tires and chanting, “We want to eat.”

As news of the protests spread, other demonstrations broke out across Gaza, including one in the major southern city of Khan Younis, where protesters were filmed chanting:
1. “down with Hamas,”
2. and calling for an end to the fighting.

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Hamas did not officially comment on the protests, but some media outlets in Gaza, including those associated with the terror organization, published photos and videos from the events under the framing “demonstration for stopping the war” without mentioning the calls for the terror group’s downfall.

Protests are relatively rare events in Gaza, especially against Hamas, which has maintained an iron grip on the Strip since it ousted the Palestinian Authority from the territory nearly two decades ago.

While there have been more public statements by individuals in Gaza against Hamas rule since the war started, large-scale demonstrations against the group have been almost nonexistent.

The last documented protest in the Strip against Hamas took place in January 2024 when Palestinians in Deir al-Balah and Khan Younis called for:
1. an end to the war,
2. the end of the terror group’s rule over Gaza
3. and the release of the Israeli hostages.

Before the war, anti-Hamas protests were also relatively rare events, and were often suppressed violently by the terror group.

The figures are not independently verified and do not differentiate between combatants and civilians.

Israel said it had killed some 20,000 combatants in battle as of January and another 1,600 terrorists inside Israel on October 7 and has said it seeks to minimize civilian fatalities and stresses that Hamas uses Gaza’s civilians as human shields, fighting from civilian areas including homes, hospitals, schools and mosques.

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From: The Jerusalem Post March 25, 2025
Hundreds of Gazans march in rare anti-Hamas protest

Dubbed “Intifada of the North,” the protest, which took place in Beit Lahiya, saw hundreds of participants, shouting “Hamas out!”

In a rare event in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, hundreds of Gazan citizens marched in the northern town of Beit Lahiya carrying white flags:
1. calling to end the Hamas rule,
2. and even calling to hand over the Israeli hostages.

The protests took place in front of the Indonesian Hospital in the northern part of the Gaza Strip.
One protester who filmed the events questioned where Qatari Al Jazeera and its Gaza correspondent Anas al-Sharif are, implicitly referring to the channel’s no criticism of Hamas policy.

1. “The people are demanding the press to cover these events!”
2. “People are demanding freedom,
3. they’re demanding a halt to the hostilities against Gaza,
4. they’re demanding peace and an end to this war.”

One of them said, “The press entered the hospital so as to not document this event.”

Slogans shouted in the protest included “Out out out! Hamas out!” and “Where is the press?” and “We want to live!”
Signs held by protesters included slogans such as “We refuse to be the ones who die” and “Stop the war.”

Another video showed hundreds of marchers walking in the streets of Beit Lahiya, with the cameraman saying:
1. “Large crowds are protesting now against the rule of Hamas.
2. The situation in Gaza is catastrophic.
3. The people here are calling to free the prisoners so we can remain alive,” possibly referring to the remaining Israeli hostages.

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“Hamas is demanding our people to remain steadfast. But how can we remain steadfast when we’re dying and bleeding?

1. Hamas must stop what is happening in Gaza…
2. We’re sending a message to the entire world:
3. We reject the rule of Hamas.”
4. 'We will be the ones who decide who is in control'

One speaker at the protest proclaimed:
1. “Our message now is that we are a people of peace.
2. We demand a secure peace for this town,
3. and not to live under the steel and fire here.
4. We will be the ones who decide who is in control in this town.
5. We live under harsh conditions, so everyone must stand up to any foreign actors who want to destroy the destiny of this nation…
6. We say: yes to peace, no to the tyrant rule which threatens the destiny of our people.”

Another video saw the cameraman commenting, “Rivers of people are marching to end the rule of Hamas and stop the war on Gaza.”

Though extremely rare, this is not the first time an anti-Hamas protest takes place in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip since the war began, as January 2024 saw what appeared to have been smaller and more sporadic events.

Likewise, some of these slogans are reminiscent of the “Bidna N’eesh” (“We Want to Live”) movement, which led similar protests in 2020 and 2023 and which some suspected to have been coordinated by Hamas’s rival faction, Fatah.

In all cases so far, Hamas acted quickly and brutally to suppress these demonstrations

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From: Haaretz March 25, 2025
'Gazan People Don't Want War': Protests Against Hamas Break Out in Northern Gaza
Tribal heads in northern Gaza: 'We don't want Hamas rule, it destroyed us'

Two mukhtars, or tribal heads, and families in northern Gaza's city of Beit Lahia have come out against Hamas rule in the Gaza Strip and in Beit Lahia, saying:
"We don't want Hamas rule, it destroyed us, it caused us death. Let them bring in Africans or Sudanese to be the government because we want to live like all the peoples of the world."

From: The Australian March 25, 2025
‘Tyrants out’! Hundreds join mass anti-Hamas protest
Hundreds of Palestinians have taken to the streets in Gaza, venting their frustrations openly for the first time since the start of the 17-month war that has left much of the enclave in ruins.

From: The Guardian March 25, 2025
Hundreds join protest against Hamas in northern Gaza
Demonstrators shout ‘Hamas out’ and carry banners saying ‘we want to live in peace’

From: BBC March 25, 2025
Hundreds of people have taken part in the largest anti-Hamas protest in Gaza since the war with Israel began, taking to the streets to demand the group step down from power.
Masked Hamas militants, some armed with guns and others carrying batons, intervened and forcibly dispersed the protesters, assaulting several of them.

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From: France 24 March 25, 2025
Hundreds in Gaza rally against Hamas, demand end to war

Hundreds of Palestinians protested in northern Gaza on Tuesday, demanding an end to the war with Israel and chanting anti-Hamas slogans, witnesses said.

The crowd, mostly men, shouted and chanted, in Beit Lahia, where the crowd had gathered a week after the Israeli army resumed its intense bombing of Gaza following nearly two months of a truce:
1. "Hamas out"
2. "Hamas terrorists"

From: The New York Times March 25, 2025
In Rare Protest, Gazans Voice Frustration With Hamas

One Gazan who attended the rally said:
1. the protesters wanted Hamas to end the war
2. and leave the enclave.

Palestinians protested in Gaza on Tuesday in a rare show of dissent against Hamas, with some chanting slogans critical of the armed group’s grip on the territory after more than year of devastating war with Israel.

From: Fox News March 25, 2025
Anti-Hamas protests break out in Gaza Strip over demands to end war.

Protesters reportedly called for an end of Hamas rule in Gaza
1. "Gazans are expressing anger at Al-Jazeera and global media generally for covering only Hamas,
2. ignoring the voices of Gazan civilians,"
3. "The more attention these brave souls get, the more they can help bring change for the better to Gaza and the broader region."

From: CNN March 25, 2025
Palestinians take part in largest anti-Hamas protests in Gaza since start of war

Video obtained by CNN showed large crowds, estimated to be thousands of people by a CNN journalist on the ground, marching through the streets of Beit Lahia in northern Gaza, chanting:
1. “For god’s sake, Hamas out,”
2. “Hamas terrorists”
3. “We want an end to the war.”

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The Times of Israel March 25, 2025

Israel hosts first-ever International Rehabilitation Conference in wake of October 7
With war casualties on the rise, foreign experts explore innovative strategies to improve recovery processes.

Global experts gathered in Tel Aviv on Tuesday to discuss new approaches to military rehabilitation and mental health recovery at Israel’s first International Rehabilitation Conference.

Some 16,000 Israel Defense Forces soldiers have been injured since Hamas invaded the Gaza border area on October 7, 2023 leading to a revolution in the ways Israel treats its wounded warriors — sacrifices, horrifically wounded soldiers and soldiers returning in coffins cry

The “Lifetime Partnership” conference, held at Tel Aviv University, hosted a wide range of international representatives, including “medical and rehabilitation experts from militaries, defense ministries, and health departments worldwide,” the Defense Ministry said.

International experts came from England, Thailand, Germany, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Brazil and Canada.

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