Tony, I hope you are okay. It must have been such a shock for you to be in London when this happened. I'm just glad you are safe and sound.

I am astounded. I cannot believe that Al Quaeda have flaunted their stupidity quite so spectacularly. I am struggling to realise that they have done this during the G8 summit - a meeting which addresses the injustices and inequalities of the world, and which calls on westerners to redistribute wealth to those dying of poverty. Al Quaeda's rationale for anti-american and anti-western feeling was always that capitalism is corrupt, our bank accounts come before our moral values, and that we are resisting the message of Islam.
How many Muslims have Al Quaeda massacred in the name of Islam?
How many people across the world gave their heart and soul to the Live 8 events, only to find the public feeling and media focus suddenly redirected (rightly so) onto London's suffering?
How much more progress could the G8 have made if they did not have to deal with the aftermath of this latest terrorism?

I could never, ever condone terrorism - however, until today I always thought that it was at least based upon some consistent complaint, however misguided. Now I see the horrifying truth, that this is all madness. Al Quaeda is mad, and vicious. And very very stupid.

Sorry for the rant everyone but it's the weirdest atmosphere over here at the moment. Glad to hear Turi, Capo and everyone are safe.

I am so sad at this,i have friends in london and have no way of reaching them as im 12,000 miles away ,i knew this was going to happen,it was just a matter of time.Luckerley my family 100 miles away.

I glad everybody else on the boards from london is OK

Amen man. I dont want to start anything political here, but I completely agree, and I hope others around the world are as enlightened by this horrible day as you are.

Amen man. I dont want to start anything political here, but I completely agree, and I hope others around the world are as enlightened by this horrible day as you are. [/b][/quote]This is why we must continue the fight against terrorism. We have to hunt them down and bring them all to justice.

DS

I just received a call from Don Cardi, who is on a holiday with his family. He wanted to make sure our UK friends were ok, and asked that I posted for him, and let you all know that his thoughts and prayers are with you. Like everyone else, he was shocked and saddened by this tragedy. If anyone knows the full terror of this kind of thing, it's surely him.

I'm sure you'll be hearing from him soon.

TIS

Btw, have all of the UKers been accounted for here on the BB?????

Sad day for our British members here at BB.NET. The only thing I can say in comfort is that I'm glad London didn't suffer as much damage, in terms of structurally and in bodies, as did NYC and D.C. back in 2001.

Comparison of 9/11, London Attacks

A comparison of the timelines for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in New York and Washington, and Thursday's bombings in London. Times listed are local; London is five hours ahead of Eastern Daylight Time.


Sept. 11, 2001

8:46 a.m. — Flight 11 hits the World Trade Center's north tower.

9:03 a.m. — Flight 175 crashes into the south tower of the World Trade Center.

9:37 a.m. — Flight 77 hits the Pentagon.

10:03 a.m. — United 93 crashes in Pennsylvania, 125 miles from Washington.

July 7, 2005

8:51 a.m. — London Underground train explodes 100 yards into a tunnel near the financial district.

8:56 a.m. — Explosion near the King's Cross station in north London.

9:17 a.m. — Explosion near Edgware Road station.

9:47 a.m. — Double-decker bus explodes near Tavistock Square.

God bless all the victims, and the families of the victims of this cowardly attack.

I don't understand what you mean. Would you please explain it to me?

Sorry, but.... point being? What, they were both in the morning? :p

My prayers are with the good people of the UK for a swift recovery in body, mind and spirit. Thanks to our UK paisani for checking in.

I really hope this incident won't affect the great job G8 (hopefully) will do for Africa and poverty in general. Please don't let the fear of terrorism ruin our lifes.

I learned today someone asked Rudy Giuliani what was the best way to deal with the aftermath of the 9/11 conflicts and he basically said to return to normality ASAP. Well that is what London has been doing today giving a big FUCK YOU to terrorism. Whilst everything can't be back to normal just by the tapping of shoes Londoners are sure as hell trying their best.

I guess this is putting the term, "The British stiff upper lip" to good use. Way to go I say. Someone on one of the cable newscasters had a headline something to the fact, "Is this the best you could do? We are not impressed." Not to belittle or diminish the severity of it. But just to stress that Britain has been through so much, be it with the IRA, that they've survived, and they will survive this too.

Yeah you're right Beth. I don't even like London but if I get reason to go any time soon I'll be there.

It will take more than some terrorist low lifes to break London/the UK/ the States/ the Free World!
We will not be beaten by these "people"..
I have friends & family in London & thankfully everyone is OK!
My thoughts are with those who have lost loved ones..& those who have been hurt!
God Bless them all!

I heard that some people were still trapped underground. Have they gotten out yet!?

This just came across on MSNBC website. I sure hope it turns out to be a false alarm.

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TIS

Thank you [/b][/quote]whenever someone says that, i never know quite how to respond. but your welcome. all i do is what im told.

God bless (and welcome to the boards). [/b][/quote]thankyou very much. its about time I found a group of people that have such a love for the godfather, and/or other mafia related medias.

In which city? Around Bagdad? [/b][/quote]yes sorta, north of baghdad actually. I was in baqubah, then in november of 04 we were in fallujah.

but baqubah is about 30k north of baghad, in the sunni triangle

Thank you for making the post for me TIS.

I just got home this evening and I am really glad to see that our U.K. Friends are all ok! I was really worried about the great members from this board that live in the U.K.

May GOD bless you all and protect you all from any more of these horrendous attacks. My heart goes out to you all.


Don Cardi

Sorry for not replying sooner, they let us leave work early and I ended up walking a few miles accross London to a safe point where my dad picked me up in his car. We then had to wait a while until we could get a signal on our mobiles before I could reach my fiancé, then we ended up driving back into the centre to pick him up.

I managed to check that all other friends/family were ok, fortunately no-one I know seems to have been hurt.

My heart goes out to all those who have lost loved ones, and to those who are facing an agonising wait until the bodies can be identified.

Yesterday we had a ceremony to mark 60 years since WW2 ended, and I think that was very fitting - we didn't back down then and we won't now. Its Monday morning now and everyone is back at work, it'll take more than a bunch of fanatical religious halfwits to bring this country down.

Don Cardi

From CNN.com

LONDON, England -- British police said on Tuesday they believed it was "very likely" that at least one of the bombers responsible for last week's terrorist attacks in London died in the explosion near Aldgate station.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of the Anti-Terrorist Branch, told a news conference officers were trying to establish whether four men suspected of carrying out the bombings had all been killed.

One man has been arrested and six arrest warrants issued following a series of raids around Leeds in West Yorkshire, 310 kilometers (190 miles) north of London, in connection with the investigation, Clarke said.

Police had forensic evidence linking the four men -- three from West Yorkshire -- to the scenes of all four of last Thursday's bomb blasts on the underground and bus networks, he added.

One of the men from West Yorkshire had been reported missing by his family. Property belonging to him had been found at the site of the Tavistock Square bus blast.

Clarke said that all four had arrived in London by train at King's Cross station on the morning of the attacks.

British army bomb disposal experts earlier carried out a controlled explosion to gain access to a house in the Hyde Park area of the city.

Hundreds of residents from surrounding streets had to be evacuated as armed police took up position outside the house.

Police also raided five other houses in the Leeds area and closed Luton railway station to recover a vehicle suspected of being involved in the attacks.

West Yorkshire Police said that Metropolitan Police detectives backed by local officers had mounted a "pre-planned, intelligence-led operation."

Clark confirmed that material had been seized and that measures had been taken to prevent any danger to the public.

Meanwhile Bedfordshire police said they had closed Luton railway station, 50 kilometers (30 miles) north of London, to recover a car suspected of being involved in the attacks.

"Police believe the vehicle may be connected to the terrorist attacks in London on July 7 and will be examined in the car park for safety reasons before being taken away to a secure location," police said in a statement.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair told BBC radio the raids were "directly connected" with Thursday's bomb blasts which killed at least 52 people.

He told BBC radio: "There have been a series of searches carried out in Yorkshire. Those searches are still going on. There's very little else I can say at the moment, but this activity is directly connected to the outrages on Thursday."

Tuesday's raids were the first reported operation in a crime investigation described by British Prime Minister Tony Blair as "among the most vigorous and intense that this country has ever seen."

"We will pursue those responsible -- not just the perpetrators, but the planners of this outrage, wherever they are. And we will not rest until they are identified and, as far as humanly possible, brought to justice," Blair told the House of Commons on Monday.

Blair and other relevant ministers were being kept informed of Tuesday's operation, the Prime Minister's official spokesman told PA.

Don Cardi

Hey, sorry for not replying earlier, i'm fine, it's all very sad indeed, hearing stories of the poor people who luckily survived on the tubes and the bus and seeing people looking for their loved one's who could be alive

hopefully we'll fully recover from this and tighten up, show these arseholes that they aren't gonna win.

You all will go on with your lives, no question about it! It's what you HAVE to do. You'll never forget it, but you will go on. That is one of the ways to defeat terror. It's a damn shame that others around the world don't "get it" the way that Bush and Blair do when it comes to fighting terroists and terrorism.

These bastards must be destroyed, no matter what the cost. And thankfully people like Bush and Blair understand this. Thankfully Bush and Blair are concerned about the future of our children and grandchildren when it comes to terrorism and tyranny! Because if we do not fight terrorists and countries that harbor, support or practice tyranny, then these motherF**kers will keep on bombing and killing people around the world.

Bottm line is that they are out to destroy the "infidels" :rolleyes: , and the hate that they harbor is just plain evil. Think about it, here are people, supposedly human, who teach their own children to hate and kill other human beings. This is exactly why democracizing the middle eastern area of the world is extremely important in this war on terror. If the good people of that region of the world are made to see that they do have the right and the opportunity to live freely, hopefully they will realize that the hate that their dictators and religious fantatics have displayed to them as a normal way of life is really not the way life should be. Yes, I will say it again and again, when it comes to understanding what has to be done to stop this insanity and save the future for our children, Bush and Blair are definately the right men for the job.

I am glad to hear that you are ok. It still breaks my heart and at the same time angers me when I see those images of how your great country was blindsided and attacked. Think about it: Two great nations that try to spread freedom and democracy, both sneakily attacked by those who despise freedom and democracy!

Sneaky, coward scumbag terrorists! I would give anything to have a face to face fist fight with just one of them. But it would never happen, because they are not brave enough to go face to face!

May your country and mine always stand side by side in both defending and spreading democracy around the world!

Here is a link to a timeline of plots and attacks carried out by Al Quaida:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4677978/

Don Cardi

I understand where you are coming from and as this war continues to go on I am starting to agree with you that these terrorists need to be taken out, but my question is, how do you do it? Sure, you can take out all the head men right now but what about the next generation? As you've described these a$$holes teach their children their own hate and beliefs. This is a religion to these people and a religion is one of the hardest things to probably change about a person. The scary thing about this war is that for every 1 terrorist you capture or kill, another 1 will just take his place because he or she was brought up to believe that what they are doing is "right." Do you see where I'm coming from? It's a vicious cycle that I don't know has an end to it

The answer that you are looking for is right in the post that I made which you quoted.

I believe that one of the most strategic moves that could be made in this fight on the war on terror is to try and educate and democratize the people of that region so that as time goes on and new generations are born they will KNOW that the way of of life is not to hate and kill.

Yes, this is a tough war and a diffucult one to one for the reasons that you have brought up, but it is not impossible and the one thing that we must remain steadfast in is the democratization and education of the Iraqi people.

WHEN we are successful there I believe that the good people of the same cutures and in the surrounding areas of that region will begin to thirst for the same freedoms and see that terrorism is NOT a religious way of life as they have been taught throughout the years.

The alliance MUST stay the course.

And as you've said yourself, catching the leaders will not stop terrorism. That is why I get so disgusted when I hear the critics say that "we haven't caught Bin Laden but we are in Iraq." Believe me, I would love for us to catch Bin Laden and have him brought to justice. But if anyone believes that catching Bin Laden will win the war on terror, then they are thinking very foolishly.

Catching these terrorists is very important. But educating and democracizing the people of that region is just as important and may be even more important in our fight to defeat terrorism and fanatacism.


"If there must be trouble then let it be in my day, so that my children shall know peace." - Thomas Paine


Don Cardi