Alright, it was just brought up on Hannity and Colmes. Is he seriously not accepting aid from countries like Jamaica? Am I missing something here or did I mishear it? Oh, for all of you Hugo Chavez haters, according to Fox News, he has offered 'planeloads of workers' to help in the relief effort.

My roommate told me a couple hours ago that Germany offered to send 2 planes of help, and Bush said no. :rolleyes:

WHY?!?!

I'll see if I can find the link, but I also read on-line that Canada has offered to help as well, but was waiting for a reply (I assume from Bush.)


TIS

I have not seen or heard these stories on ANY news station, or radio stations be they Conservative or Liberal stations. And I've been listening to them all. So until these things are confirmed to be true stories, I wouldn't go around stating them as fact.


Don Cardi

Venezuelan President Offers Aid For Katrina Victims

August 30, 2005 10:11 p.m. EST


Douglas Maher - All Headline News Staff Reporter

Caracas, Venezuela (AHN) - Last week Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez was attacking the U.S. for comments from 700 Club President, Pat Robertson, about calling for an assassination of the leader; Tuesday Chavez is offering aid to the victims of Hurricane Katrina.

"We place at the disposition of the people of the United States in the event of shortages we have drinking water, food, we can provide fuel," Chavez tells Associated Press.

Chavez says fuel can be sent to the United States through a Citgo refinery that has not been affected by the hurricane. Citgo is owned by Venezuela's state-owned oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela. He also offers to send aid workers to the gulf coast.

Chavez made an offer last week for discount gasoline to poor Americans suffering from high oil prices and offered free eye surgery for Americans without access to health care.

Chavez is heavily criticized for his socialist/communist ties in Latin America and has had negative relations with Washington for years.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/2250908522

This isn't the same story I saw earlier, but here's one link regarding Canada's offer.


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Oh, and here's another listing a couple other countries that have offered help. Seems these would be a "desperate times" scenario where we should accept all the help we are offered no? Maybe it's redtape????

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Now the European Union is offering oil from its reserves to the U.S.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CC51BO0.html

Long live Fidel. I truly admire this man. Always sticks with his instinct and knows he's gonna get people riled up.

Bush first said he needed nothing but the sympathy of other countries, and he refused help.
Later, he changed his mind, and said he accepted all help.

Russa, Belgium, France, Germany, and the UK, all offered help. Venezuela did too, but some BB'ers say it's worhtless help, only as a PR-stunt. I'm not gonna judge about that, since I don't know what really happened.

Ronnie, while I am sure that the gesture is a sincere one, they can offer all of the oil that they want. If it is NOT already refined and converted, then it is useless at this time. We have a Gasoline and heating oil problem right now. Oil needs to be refined and cracked to convert it to Gasoline and Heating Oil. And our problem right now is that we do NOT have the refineries to convert and refine stuff. If a country like Mexico with all of it's refinery capabilities were to offer us heating oil and gasoline, well then that would be a big help to us at this very moment.


Don Cardi

And our problem right now is that we do NOT have the refineries to convert and refine stuff. If a country like Mexico with all of it's refinery capabilities were to offer us heating oil and gasoline, well then that would be a big help to us at this very moment.


Don Cardi [/b][/quote]Yes we do DC. Did you not read the article I posted?

Long live Fidel. I truly admire this man. Always sticks with his instinct and knows he's gonna get people riled up. [/quote]You've got to be kidding me.

Oh yeah, he's having a moment of silence. What sympathy. BULLSHIT. This is to overlook his spewing of anti-Americano propaganda the last 50 years? :rolleyes:

Go live in Cuba for a couple of months and then say "Long Live Fidel"...

What about all the Anti-Cubano talk of several American presidents.

I'm not pro-Castro, but you have to stay fair.

More like Anti-Castro talk.

Really Patrick....you saying a great thing about a bastard dictator?

And our problem right now is that we do NOT have the refineries to convert and refine stuff. If a country like Mexico with all of it's refinery capabilities were to offer us heating oil and gasoline, well then that would be a big help to us at this very moment.


Don Cardi [/b][/quote]Yes we do DC. Did you not read the article I posted? [/b][/quote]Yes Pat, I read the article. We do NOT have the refineries to convert crude oil to heating oil or gasoline. The hurricane crippled our refining capabilities.

The article stated at the time that they were not sure if Crude Oil or Refined oil would be sent.

It now turns out that they will give converted refined product which is gasoline and heating oil.

That makes a big difference Pat. A big difference. It helps us right now. Unfortunately it is only a short term solution and this problem will catch up to us within the next several months. But it NOW takes a huge burden off of our backs and will help us buy some time to get those refineries up and running again. Unfortunately they still do NOT know the extent of the damage. The good news this afternoon along with the european countries giving us the oil Product that we need is that one of the piplines that thought destroyed in the hurricane began working again at a 32% capacity to pump the oil that had been already refined and converted. It's not much, but it's a positive start.

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I have trouble believing this 'sympathy' that Castro has towards this American tragedy. He has been speaking out against America for 50 years, and all of a sudden he wants to sympathize? Uh uh, I don't believe that for a second. AND I have trouble saying anything good about this bastard who has been murdering people and HATING this country with a complete passion for the last fifty years.

Pat, do you know anyone who's fled Cuba to come to America?


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Exactly DC.

Long live Fidel. I truly admire this man. Always sticks with his instinct and knows he's gonna get people riled up. [/quote]Oh, yeah, he's a real humanitarian who deserves to be admired. Let's just ignore the fact that he pointed nukes at your country, shall we? :rolleyes:

Just because he hates our country and government doesn't mean he hates America's citizens. And I'm not going to get into a big debate about the missle crisis or anything because I'm pretty sure everyone knows how I feel about that. The 2 big power houses in the 60's were the US and USSR. The US didn't want any part of Castro just because he was a socialist, so that left Castro with allying with the USSR or nobody. What would you do? And if a government had plotted your assasination numerous times, would you speak positive about them?

DC, no I don't know anyone who came here from Cuba. And here:

Long live Fidel. I truly admire this man. Always sticks with his instinct and knows he's gonna get people riled up. [/quote]I looked at a little piece of parchment once while I was in Washington called the COnstitution of the United States. It's a real swell work of art. It has an amendment in there called the first amendment which allows for freedom of speach in this nation. Congratulations and be thankful for it Pat because you're able to spew your communist, pinko propoganda on these boards and no one can do a thing (Unless JG banned you). Now, what if you were spewing capitolist propoganda on the streets of Santiago or Havana at this very moment? You know what would happen? You'd begin to pray to that God that you don't belive in anymore.

Say, have you happened to read a history book lately or see a news paper? Seems that Castro's socialist paradise is falling on it's ass. Remeber a little hurricane that tore throw Cuba just recently? Well if your complaning about or response to Katrina, you'd be disgusted at what was done in Cuba. If you think it was bad before, well now many places have no light, people who were on life suport in the hospitals died, including the brother of one of my neighbors.

Hell, I haven't even begun to tell you of the things Castro did to my family, making my grandmother witness to his revolution, showing her the attrocities of his war against the Baustistan Government. He made her flee Cuba, were she was prosperous and come to this country alone with no husband and two young kids at her side. She had to adjust because of Castro's revolution and had a tough life. Just thank god that she was tough enough to meet the challenges put agianst her. I bet you that's something you couldn't over come. You'd bitch about your human rights. There's no human rights in Cuba. It's all solved by six rifle men. We wouldn't get that lucky in your case though.

Pat, if you can't read this long rant then I'll spell it out for you: F-U-C-K Y-O-U.

I was actually admiring that post because of everything you shared, until the last sentence, Mike.

Hmm, yes Batista was so much better, right? :rolleyes:

I'm not sure what you're saying, but if I'm understanding, did a brother of one of your neighbors die in Cuba or New Orleans? Either way, there's people dying in New Orleans that can't get proper life support right now.

Yeh, but I'm not spewing anything in Cuba right now.

So, by your own admission, he (Castro) was a ruthless dictator, yet you "admire" him and find him to be an "inspiration" ...

:rolleyes:

But if Cuba is so great, why not move there, Pat? After all, Castro needs another yes-man for his legions.

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Now, what if you were spewing capitolist propoganda on the streets of Santiago or Havana at this very moment? You know what would happen? You'd begin to pray to that God that you don't belive in anymore.

Yeh, but I'm not spewing anything in Cuba right now. [/quote]Pat, save for the spelling errors which weere my fault, i think that I made my point very clear. If you bitch about the response to Katrina, immagine how bad the response to the prior hurricane that struck Cuba was.

Oh, and as for the whole comment on spewing propoganda:
That one requires you to use your "imagination". I just had a collective flashback to a purple dinosaur....

I want to recount one moment in history in 1953 when Castro and his cronies open up fire on an Army Baracks filled with soldiers killing dozens and wounding many more.

Does this sound like something a normal human being worthy of respect does?

He's a dictator who also violates some human rights, but compared to Batista, we're not even getting started. Wanna talk about human rights offenses? Let's talk about the US military in Guantanamo Bay.

Yeh, because I can just hop on a plane and go to Cuba. I'd love to visit Cuba. There's a little thing called an embargo you should check out. It prohibits me from doing so.

How about JFK ordering 1,000 exiled Cubans back to Cuba to try and kill Fidel? Is that worthy of respect?

It was a failure of CIA inteligance! And at least Kennedy wasn't leading the charge and wasn't pepered with the blood of soldiers.
At this point I think it's best that we return to the topic before it's rendered useless.

He's a dictator who also violates some human rights, but compared to Batista, we're not even getting started. Wanna talk about human rights offenses? Let's talk about the US military in Guantanamo Bay.[/quote]I dunno. Why don't you list some of the Batista atrocities, and we can compare and contrast (or are you just talking out your ass?)

Also, we could try not changing the topic to Guantamo Bay, that would be a good start, since it's not getting your argument anywhere. I thought we were debating Batista v. Castro, or, at least, any "admirable" qualities that can be found in Fidel's resume.

Actually, if you were a journalist/student, you could go down there. Or, you could try (gasp) sneaking into the country! I'm sure Fidel would absolutely love the publicity of a disgrunted American teenager defecting to his communist nation. He'd get a bigger hard on than he did when he thought Elian would come back.

Dunno, is it? I mean, you're trying to spin so much, I think it's a washing machine in here.

Explain to me why Castro is worthy of admiration and respect.

I'm not doing to state anything in this thread because this isn't the topic and what you're talking about is a deadbeat horse. You can check out my volume on Fidel. I feel the exact same way as I always have about him. Enjoy your evening.