so this is back again? well double j obviously you don't know much about human anatomy to say that she isn't doing anything to herself. brush up on biology my friend. the fact is that its inside of her...so in truth, the doctors are doing it to her! second...unless you have some proof that life starts at conception(which according to science it does not) then obviously its not murder.

For someone who tells me to look at biology, I'd check up on that yourself.

1.) She isn't doing anything to herself...the doctors are doing it to her???

WHO IS LETTING THEM KILL HER BABY? SHE IS! :rolleyes:

2.) Telling someone who has taken upper level anatomy and biology to brush up is a tad insulting.

Last time I checked, cellular respiration, the process that is synonymous with life, is carried out from the second conception occurs. The zygote divides, absorbs, excretes, and respirates, all of which are parts of the basic life functions.

If you had a clue, you'd realize science does suggest that life begins at conception. It isn't as if some dead cellular mass has the ability to grow (she'd have a rather nasty case of peritinitis if that was the case), there is a reason the cells are dividing and growing.

So, go open up a textbook, or get a clue. Whichever you prefer.

So are you saying that a wholly innocent life deserves to be killed, but a convicted murderer who has no chance of being rehabilitated and would kill again should be saved? Some kind of convoluted morality, methinks.

No, I'm just saying that you need to choose your wording more wisely next time...me, I'm for all-out legal murder. What about you buddy?

As long as it isn't infanticide, why not? I mean, after all, I'm ready to go SOCOM on some people at this point.

infanticide...whatever. well obviously we must be getting different opinions from different scientists becase from what i've read and heard, they do not state life starting at conception. also to go off and say that killing a cell is wrong, so i guess that goes for ever time you scrach your arm, you are killing living breathing cells my friend...cells that do produce other cells. or hey, while we are at it, when you cut your hair.

Funny, because every course, lecture, etc. I've ever taken has stated that the basic element of life revolves around cellular respiration.

I didn't say killing a cell was wrong - however, killing an organism, in this case, an innocent child, is abhorrent. A cell is just a part that makes up a whole. The zygote that divides eventually into the fetus carries out all life functions, is sentient, and is living.

Cutting your hair isn't killing living cells, since not only are the top layers of your epidermis (skin) dead cells that slough off normally, but your hair, fingernails, etc. are all dead, so your argument is invalid.

It doesn't take an idiot to realize that there is a living organism created at conception. The problem is that many rationalize it as something that either isn't alive until birth (which is fundamentally wrong), or various other arguments that rationalize the legalized infanticide of innocent lives.

What about ants? They're organisms. Should I be put away for stepping on an ant?

If you put that much value on the life of an ant (do we know if an ant is sentient?), like some religions do (in India, if I recall), I suppose you could make an argument.

However, in this case, I'm making the argument for human life, wholly innocent human life, extinguished for convenience and rationalized through indifference.

I just find it amusing how conservatives always switch the topic of the death penalty to abortions.

"I'm pro-life. Oh, he was found guilty? To the chair!"

im tired of this, continue being judgemental and narrow minded. im done with this topic.

Oh, wait...you mean, like those liberals, who are never hypocritical..."I believe in the unalienable rights of the individual (unless you are unborn)! I believe in rehabilitation (as long as the criminals aren't in my neighborhood)!"

How about that, actually? Pat, you don't want these people to go the chair, and you want abortions...what if we created a rehab/halfway house next door to you, and had a fetus mass grave in your front yard...would that suit you?

talk about taking it to the extreme! im sorry, how old are you?

Oh, I dunno. I find using surgical scissors to cut spinal cords, and vacuums to siphon out undeveloped brains, and forceps to crush little skulls to be pretty extreme.

But apparently for some here, those are just "women's rights."

What is with this idea that all these fetuses are innocent? I mean, where do murderers and criminals come from?

Hell DoubleJ, if you could have aborted Hitler, you wouldn't. You would let that "innocent" live.

Besides, why is it we worry about not ending a life, but as soon as it comes out of the womb, interest is lost. C'mon, you all know I'm right.

Unlike people on both sides, I'm honest. I don't care about the rights of criminals or these bunch of growing-bunch of cells in a tummy, I mean they get more attention and emotion than the rest of us, that is for sure.

ronnierocketago...i agree with you. that is the most honest and possibly the closest thing we can come to truth in this whole gawddamn thread.

Personally, I'm a big supporter of the Culture of Life

No War
No Abortion
No Death Penalty
No Euthanasia.

Plain and simple.

And I have to disagree with you Ronnie: I don't believe people are born evil (unless you are the son of Satan, but that's another topic altogether) but are conditioned to fall into the dark side because of the enviorement around them.

I agree.

Last time I checked, I didn't know, other than original sin, a fetus could do anything wrong. I mean, I don't see any fetuses on the corner of MLK Boulevard selling crack, do you? :rolleyes:

Of course not, I wouldn't kill any innocent child. As Don Andrew and EB said, environment plays a large part in what a person is. Granted, Hitler obviously had some mental issues, but what if he was adopted and sent to Costa Rica or some other far-away land from Germany? Do you think he still would've killed Jews?

Not really. I'm very much interested in education, for one. Also, I'm also concerned about the number of deadbeat parents we have in this country, as well as the number of people who don't support their children, be it financially, emotionally, etc.

I didn't realize I was being dishonest, apparently since we all disagree, we are dishonest! :rolleyes:

That notwithstanding, is it the governments priority to take care of your ass, or don't you think you should be expected to at least become a decent, productive member of society?