People were shopping for the upcoming festival on Nov1 when terrorists attacked

I'm truely sick to death of hearing these kind of events. Does it ever have an end? Is there an afterlife and are people blowing each other up there as well?

Same here. It's as sad as it can get. My prayers go out to the victims and their families. Rest in Peace.

Well, let's not confuse Heaven with Hell!!

But all kidding aside, I'm really freakin' sick of this shit !!!

NOT until the WORLD COMMUNITY comes together to fight this will it end. So... C'MON, PEOPLE!!! It's not fucking political any more, okay??! It should be personal !!!!

It's ALL Bush's fault. :rolleyes:

Geoff, I wish people would see it the way you do. But in this politically correct, non-interventionist appeasement world of 2005, I doubt that it would become a priority for many nations until they were the ones who were attacked.

How would you say we should fight this? It is as easy as someone going to blow himself/herself up. Are you going to mind read people? Someone walking normal today can become a terrorist tomorrow. It seems it is actually going to be part of our lives.

I have a plan for all the peace loving nations of the world:

1.) Isolate governments that fund Islamic terror (Iran, Syria, etc.)

2.) Ban trade with that nation. This could be done through the United Nations.

3.) Unless the nation hands over its terrorists, continue to squeeze them economically until the people overthrow the country or they leaders agree to terms.

Although people might say this would cause a revolt for, say, oil, I think that if we would be able to get some of the Middle Eastern nations on board it would work. If the entire world was able to strangle these nations, it would be detrimental to the terrorist cause.

Then again, if that doesn't work, send in a coalition force and overthrow the regime, and do like the French did in Algeria - send in a paramilitary force to systematically dismantle the terrorist network city by city until they are eliminated, turn the country over to the UN, and have them install a UN approved government until democratic elections can be held.

Some hatred + Explosives + A person willing to carry both of these items= Terrorist attack.

We need to eliminate one of these and the only thing that can be taken out of this equation is hatred. With your plan, I'm afraid, there's going to be more hatred. As you see while some parts of your plan is being done right now the terrorist attack has increased.

Word. There's no doubt in my mind none of this would be happening if we would've never went to war with Iraq. We should stop being friends with Israel too. That would help.

JJ, since when has the UN done anything right? They can't do anything in this situation.

I seem to remember a story about how ineffective the UN really is...

In Sierra Leone 500 (that is not a typo) Gambian peace keepers, fully armed and with armored vehicles, surrendered without a fight to 20 rebels with AK 47s and 74's. This was several years ago, but puts into perspective how lousy the UN really is.

As for India and Pakistan and the religious problems there I blame the British Empire for messing that up.

See this isn't all the USA's fault. The US is simply filling the power void left behind by all the imperialist powers. Its easy to say bombings happen because of US involvement. I'm sure some do. However, many of them have their roots in a problem made worse by French and British interference. And because no one else is willing to step up in the world, right or wrong, the US has to. US involvement is crude though, but that’s a different subject.

I agree too. Honestly, people make me sick when they just blast innocent people's brains out! It's terriable that these kind of things happen everyday All those families loose their love ones, its so sad. But I agree it's Bush's fault! Now people are dying each day because of his stupid mistakes. So awful but I hope and pray for peace and pray for the people who are gone and I shall pray for their families.

Pakistanians and the Indians, Muslims and Hindus were living together in one country till the British Empire came...

R.I.P. to the victims. God/Allah/Yahweh/Jehovah/Brahma/Ahura Mazda when will it end?

When they allow it to. But they're having fun, it seems, and are in no rush to end things.

Word. There's no doubt in my mind none of this would be happening if we would've never went to war with Iraq. We should stop being friends with Israel too. That would help. [/b][/quote]Since, of course, terrorism HASN'T been going on for most of the 20th century... :rolleyes:

Hmm...the intifadas...preIraq. USS Cole...preIraq. WTC...preiraq. I see a trend here...

BTW - I was being sarcastic blaming Bush, I didn't realize I had to bring back my [/sarcasm] disclaimer for some people.

Word. There's no doubt in my mind none of this would be happening if we would've never went to war with Iraq. We should stop being friends with Israel too. That would help. [/b][/quote]Since, of course, terrorism HASN'T been going on for most of the 20th century... :rolleyes:

Hmm...the intifadas...preIraq. USS Cole...preIraq. WTC...preiraq. I see a trend here...

BTW - I was being sarcastic blaming Bush, I didn't realize I had to bring back my [/sarcasm] disclaimer for some people. [/b][/quote]It's Reagan's fault that these terrorists even got anything started... Who would've thought about what $3 billion and expert CIA training could do? Whaddya fear more, DJ? Communism or terrorism? Or is it both?

I agree too. Honestly, people make me sick when they just blast innocent people's brains out! It's terriable that these kind of things happen everyday All those families loose their love ones, its so sad.[/b][/quote]Yup. While we're on the subject of innocent people being mudered, I suppose you remember these 3,000 innocents murdered?

Don Andrew-- It's people like you who let the terrorists feel good. You talk about these attacks and even more, you bring up past attacks. What happened on 9/11 happened. Everyone who died is dead and they cannot be brought back. Do you know how good the terrorists have to feel each time an American or anyone brings up a terrorist attack? You're helping them out, bud.

Don Andrew is helping these people out by what HE said?

I think that you'd better think about that again!

What I think that what he's doing is reminding someone who made this statement that we were not fighting a war on the morning of 9/11 when 3000 innocent people were murdered at the hands of terrorists!

Pat, not for nothing, but what you've said above is 100 times more helpful and supportive of the terrorists than what Don Andrew said!

We should stop being friends with Israel Pat? This from the same kid who criticizes his own country and accuses his own government of not being a friendly government to foriegn countries? So then you agree with the President of Iran and what he has said about Israel?


So are you suggesting that we should say " Fuck em, they're dead anyway, so why bother talking about them anymore?" :rolleyes:


Don Cardi

That's what I said.

So we wouldn't have been attacked had Saddam not been in charge of Iraq that morning?

Ok, let me explain this. We're more than allies with Israel. We should have the same relationship with them that we have with Russia or France. For some reason, we tend to treat them with more dignity and respect. What makes Israel so much better than France, Germany, Russia, Sweden, or any country besides Great Britain?

I'm suggesting we stop mourning them on major news broadcast stations every year. They're gone forever. They're NOT coming back.

That's what I said.

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that we were not fighting a war on the morning of 9/11 when 3000 innocent people were murdered at the hands of terrorists!

So we wouldn't have been attacked had Saddam not been in charge of Iraq that morning?

[ [/quote]Why do I even bother. :rolleyes:


Don Cardi

I think the better question is: Why do you try to make it sound like I said or did something wrong just so you can get out of answering questions or addressing my points?

Pat, please don't try to make this a you vs. me topic, that strategy of yours has gotten a bit old now. I am not trying to make it sound like you said something wrong. You DID say something wrong.

You accused Don Andrew of "helping" out terrorists because he brought up the attacks of 9/11. I fail to see how his talking about those attacks emboldens and helps out the terrorists.

Yet you yourself have bashed former President Reagan, blaming him for helping start out Terrorists. You've stated that the USA should no longer be a friend of Israel, implying that because of our friendship with Israel these terrorist attacks have grown.

Your statements clearly echo the sentiments of terrorist leaders and terrorist organizations. Terrorists hate Israel and the jewish community as a whole. Terrorists hated Reagan and his hard stand against terrorist acts.

So in truth, you are the one who "helps" out the terrorists when you make what I feel are, ridiculous statements.

Here you are accusing Don Andrew of helping out terrorists because he brings up 9/11. This accusation from someone who has repeatedly said in many posts what a great man Fidel Castro is. An accusation made by someone who has argued that he would give aid to someone like Usama Bin Laden if he needed it! This accusation made from someone who has repeatedly cried out that Saddam had not really done anything wrong.

Let's see, Don Andrew talking about victims killed on 9/11 or Pat bashing Reagan, Pat dissing Israel, Pat praising a dictator, and Pat offering aid to the world's most wanted terrorist who's responsible for mass murder.

Which one of these people sounds as though they are emboldening and "helping" out terrorists?

Give me a break Pat.


Don Cardi

Patrick its people like you who let the terrorists feel good when you say things like this. When you say things like everyone who died is dead and they cannnot be brought back then you are telling the terrorists that it is no big deal to you because what's done is done.

It sickens me how you think that because these people are already dead it's no big deal and we should just forget about it.

How can you even think that way?


DS

One person talks about the people dying in Iraq every day, and complain that it's President Bush's fault, and I bring up if they remember the 3,000+ on September 11 who died?

And I'm helping out Terrorists? Well, I guess I'm Hitler and a Terrorist now. :rolleyes:

Don't all of you think this war/terrorism thing is turning into an eye for an eye battle?

Terrorists killed 3,000 Americans so Americans killed 20,000 Iraqis...

And its been going on for years, this didn't start with 9/11.

Besides, a terrorist in India would have had no news coverage before 9/11 because the conflict there is decades old and has nothing to do with the US.

But now its news...

Don Andrew, look at what we are dealing with here! Don't even bother. Look at what I posted about 9/11 and then look at the ridiculous response that has absolutely nothing to do with what I was trying to point out :

The Response :


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So we wouldn't have been attacked had Saddam not been in charge of Iraq that morning?
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Maybe I am missing something here that you can point out to me Don A. But for the life of me I have absolutely no idea what that response has to do with what I posted ! Do you?


Don Cardi

Originally posted by Patrick:
America should always remember. 3,000+ plus people were murdered and we should remember each and every one of them.

It seems to me you just want to say "Fuck 'em. They're not coming back. Why remember them?"

No, it's a war for survival. It's a war that MUST be fought to save the future of many nations, the future of our children's lives. It's not an eye for an eye battle. If it were then we would have already killed those terrorists who we have in custody and who have already been convicted of terrorist acts. It a war to catch those, and kill if neccessary, who want to destroy the lives of you and I. And if they are caught they are brought to justice. To stand trial. That's not an eye for an eye.

Please don't try to make it sound as though the Americans set out to kill innocent Iraqis! Don't make it look as though the Americans intent was to kill 20,000 innocent Iraqis. The Americans and the coalition set out to help the Iraqi people and it's nation, with the intent of capturing and killing TERRORISTS.


Don Cardi

No I didn't.

It lets them know that it still bugs us and is an every day part of our life. How many times do you hear someone say '9/11' each day?

$3 billion and expert CIA training. What do you call it?

Ok, as I said in an earlier post, there's a difference between being allies with a country (such as Russia or France) and being in bed with a country. We're in bed with Israel and Great Britain, though Great Britain is different. I don't have a problem with them. They're always here for us and we're here for them. Israel comes to us to solve their problems, but they wouldn't be caught dead helping us.

Are you implying that I am a terrorist, DC? I don't hate Israel either. Please show me where I said this. I also have Jewish friends. I don't hate Reagan either. I strongly dislike him because his political views were horrible.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but mine is just as good as yours.

Ok, so what does Fidel Castro and me talking about Don Andrew giving terrorists satisfaction have anything in common?

I'm not some inhumane religious man on the far right. I believe in human and civil rights. I didn't say we should give him aid by supplying him with weapons. I said that if he's caught, he should be treated just like you or I.

Please show me where I said Saddam never did anything wrong. I am extremely interested to see this, though I'm sure you're going to ignore this post too or blow it off as more of 'Pat's crap.'

Ok, so tell me. Can they be brought back? I am speaking nothing but the truth.

So it's perfectly fine with you that we invade the lives of US citizens every September 11th so we can watch them morun THEIR families on TV? Is that right?

I'm sure everyone thinks this way. As a matter of fact, we had this debate some time ago. There were a lot of people who agreed that they liked mourning people in private, rather than being around a lot of people.

There's just no one else who wants to say it, but there are some people in this country who have to speak for the screw ups the administration that you put in charge has done.

Good day sirs.