Pl and Salad,

You are both 100% correct. No argument here (sort of). But as this thread unravels.......if one believes in God and the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman, then physical stimulation between the two, with any part of the body is natural and welcome. Kissing is a wonderful and bonding sensation. Anal intercourse or oral stimulation can have the same effect; total submission, physical and emotional love. The culmination of the physical exchange is the act of procreation. Condoms are not condoned by the Catholic Church because they prevent procreation. Masterbation is a sin, but yeah lots of us do it. Catholics are not born without sin and they sin their whole lifes, but that doesn't mean you don't stop trying to be good; it's a journey.

In conclusion, I don't expect non-believers to understand any of this, but I thought I'd share it.