Now why would I want to take a step backwards in my life? :p

Here's the link for anyone that wants to read exactly what I said about Cindy Sheehan, I have nothing to hide :


http://www.gangsterbb.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=008754#000000

Now Dr., You'll have to excuse me -- I'm tired, and I'm a little drunk! And I want everyone here to know -- there's not gonna be no trouble from me! DMC', a porta!


Don Cardi

What about your trigger happy gi joe comments and you americans kill civilians comments? You say those things and then you jump all over Cardi because he posted the names of those who were killed on 9/11 in america. You sound anti-american to me.


DS

sometimes I wonder...
is it War on Terror...
or War on Islam...

What are you kidding me? :rolleyes: If it was a war on Isalam america wouldn't have lost 2000 soldiers because we would have just wiped out that region of the world. What a foolish thing to say.


DS

Have you watched F9/11? Or read any news reports of killings in Iraq? These are facts, not my "anti-American" opinion.

Now that's one thing you've said I agree with!

My Africa statement is totally relevant: The most powerful men in the world (Bush, all the EU-leaders) don't seem to realize that Africa is problem number 1, not Iraq. So that is relevant.
Your list is totally irrelevant, since we already know 2987 people died on 9/11. We have honored them, there were memorials, the world was mourning. In Africa, they are still dying, and except for Bono and me , is there anybody mentioning them?

Accident? Enzo, you're batting .1000 today.
Accident. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]Incident, accident...I didn't mean to imply that it happened by accident, I'm not that stupid.This is a language mistake of mine, sorry.

By the way, what is 'batting .1000'?

First off, it's not a 'War' on terror. A war can be won. We cannot put every terrorist in jail or kill them all. It's just the conservative media brainwashing us.

DC - Hey, in like 60 years, all those people you listed, no one is going to care. I'm thrilled you posted that. Does anyone remember what was 2 days ago? Does Pearl Harbor ring a bell? It wasn't mentioned on the nightly news I watched at all. There was no thread made. It is all but forgotten, just like 9/11 will be.

Oh, and to the people who were actually in NY on 9/11, you don't have some kind've priviledge to now curse at me or throw insults just because you were there that day, so please refrain from doing so.

DMC - First, why shouldn't the hijackers be part of the people deceased? A life is a life.

Second, you're saying that the enemies in World War II should be mentioned in the number of casualties because they were part of a war. If you insist on stating that the hijackers shouldn't be on that list, does that mean that you agree with me and say that there is no 'war' on terror? You can't have it both ways.

What are you kidding me? :rolleyes: If it was a war on Isalam america wouldn't have lost 2000 soldiers because we would have just wiped out that region of the world. What a foolish thing to say.


DS [/b][/quote]Wasn't it you who suggested we drop a nuke when we pull out of Iraq?

This is a serious question: do you mean this or is it a joke?

My Africa statement is totally relevant: The most powerful men in the world (Bush, all the EU-leaders) don't seem to realize that Africa is problem number 1, not Iraq. So that is relevant.
Your list is totally irrelevant, since we already know 2987 people died on 9/11. We have honored them, there were memorials, the world was mourning. In Africa, they are still dying, and except for Bono and me , is there anybody mentioning them? [/b][/quote]See? We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Everybody expects us to police the friggin' world. When we do, we're ostracized on account of it, or else we get a zillion Monday Morning quarterbacks who sit back and say, "Hey, you shoulda' done it this way, yada-yada-yada." When we DON'T do anything, we're crticized.

I say close up the borders now, ship the illegals home, don't let anyone in, and screw everybody else. I, for one, am tired of us being called to help someone out, getting slammed for doing so, and then getting called to help someone out again. And over and over and over it plays. I think we've done plenty. Let's take care of our own. Let someone come to OUR aid for once. Then we can sit back and criticize how they do it, or don't do it, or whatever the %#@$^!!

Lovely rational contribution there.

Shut the borders!

Lock down the hatches!

As if America were some airtight container with infalliable borders... it isn't BTW

Seen that ep of the Simpsons where they export the illegal immigrants much?

If you're including our helping out Iraq, I'm happy to agree with you on that one, Snake.

DC, what you intended with your list is best known to you. With all due respect, I (and I presume a few more members) do not have the time to read your entire post (which probably could be the longest one ever posted, I speculate). Sorry about that.

When I mentioned that all kinds of responses are welcome, I implied it for me. It is unfortunate that Dr. and others who wanted to bring back the focus to the topic were attacked.

The distinction between terror and terrorism, how terror continues to rule the mind and might probably continue to rule long after the terrorists are defeated, and other such messages I tried to explore in my intial post have got lost in the personal fights. But I am not complaining. I still urge all of you to share your thoughts. When so many of you feel so paasionately about the subject, why not translate your thoughts into words and make the discussion more meaningful?

Who read the names on the list? Hands up!

I looked for the two names I know personally (whose families probably don't appreciate being used for political purposes).

1. Africa can't help itself. They're so far gone, they can't let welfare and plain surviving appear by magic, someone has to give it to them.
2. You know who's fault it is they're in such a bad shape: Europe. With the colonisation, they've destroyed the continent. So Europe has the duty to help them.
3. America seems to have enough money, they're spending it on useless wars like Iraq, so why not using that money to help starvation out of the world.
4. All other rich countries also have to help the poor countries: That's their human duty.
5. How? Not just sending money, but giving them infrastructure, so they can take care of their own.

Ok.

Although this is one of the more "intellectual" forums on the net, it is still trapped in the yoke of blind patriotism and cliqueishness.

There is no real opportunity for rational debate. I appreciate your efforts to stimulate debat svsg, but they are wasted here. All that results is a lot of back-slapping and self-congratulation among the conservative pro-Bush American clique on these boards. Anyone else gets flamed and shouted down.

Sorry to be boring, but gettig back on topic, I notice that the officers involved in the appalling De Menezes shooting are now facing charges here in the UK for unlawful killing.

Cardi would NEVER use those names for political reasons. That remark proves that you know absoluteley nothing about DC You don't even know what you are talking about. How did he use those names for political purposes?


DS

I think he used the name as an emotional way to point out that we have to restrict personal liberties, so deaths like those on the list won't happen again. That is, IMO, using the list as an object to express a political opinion.

The only name I can name from the list is Anthony Perkins' wife, who was on one of the planes that hit the WTC.

Cardi would NEVER use those names for political reasons. That remark proves that you know absoluteley nothing about DC You don't even know what you are talking about. How did he use those names for political purposes?


DS [/b][/quote]Think of it as you will, but I stand by saying I know the families of two, at least, that would not agree with the way "War on Terror" is being described. I would not tell them their loved ones are listed here.

If you're including our helping out Iraq, I'm happy to agree with you on that one, Snake. [/b][/quote]If it came to pulling out of Iraq to pull it off, yessir!

And no kiddin', Doc, it ain't a formidable border. But it sure could be. And for those who don't go along with my line of thinkin', then you can address the crap people throw at us for either stepping in or not stepping in. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing it.

2. You know who's fault it is they're in such a bad shape: Europe. With the colonisation, they've destroyed the continent. So Europe has the duty to help them.

You're points are right, but you have the wrong solutions. Nobody needs to be sending any money, and it won't help anyways. Free food aid just means farmers can't sell anything. The West Wing debate had the right solution: tax cuts. The European colonists put in rules that made it impossible for the colonies to compete with them, and those countries haven't been smart enough to see the damage and get rid of those rules. In some of those countries you are looking at 70-90% tax rates, so nothing gets made legally. Some of these countries used to be big food exporters, but then their dictators made things worse., and now Zimbabwe has famine. Debt relief, food aid, AIDS money, and all the other trendy solutions are a waste of time. Those countreis need to figure things out for themselves, and the best assistance to be provided would be economists who can explain to them how to open up their government.

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DS

Fascinating post, DS! (There's some sarcasm)

Umm, how is this relevant to making your argument?

Who knows, but that sight is by far funnier than Patrick's "emo" one.

How?

Because of its absolute disgusting appeal to emotions. How soap opera it is. How false, over the top, propagandaist it is. What's the point in it? To remind us why we're at war? If that's the reason, then it has failed, because it isn't the reason we're at war. Well, it is, but it isn't a justified reason.