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Re: Victory in Iraq
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12/16/05 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Don Smitty: [quote]Originally posted by Enzo Scifo: [b] Communism is freedom. I feel you don't really understand what real communism is, and then I don't mean the dictatorial Stalin-like Sovjet-communism. What kind of communism are you talking about then? How is communism freedom? DS [/b][/quote]Enzo is talking about pure Communism, I'm assuming. He's not talking about that of a dictator. I'm one for Democratic Socialism myself.
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Victory in Iraq
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12/16/05 05:03 PM
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Vito The Godfather
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Communism will never work out. Fidel, Stalin, Zedong, Pol pot, and company.
Looking at some facts, just Stalin himself being responsible for almost 50 million people killed in USSR, I understand Communism is all about greed, murder and unhappiness.
Pol Pot in Cambodia was accused of killing around 2 million out of a 7 mil. population withing only 3 years.
In China Communist about 27 mil. died.
Whats the reason for all these killings ? Does Communism really bring freedom ?
Maybe Freedom of murder.
The shame of Communism rule is that even after decades of total rule (see USSR), they simply didn't seem to improve in their average person, but otherwise; making their own nation conditions worse than ever. I really thought that Communism would bring that freedom, feeling of greatness; Marxism was considered the greatest of the greatest. But after learning some things, I didn't believe it so anymore.
Could Communism really turn itself into history as an ideological alternative to democracy ?
"It is the mind that makes someone wise or ignorant, slave or free."
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Re: Victory in Iraq
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12/16/05 06:51 PM
12/16/05 06:51 PM
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Capo de La Cosa Nostra
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Facts, facts, facts, words, words, words, jubilations, come and join the celebrations, and unite the nations.
Iraq's first elections. Progress indeed. I'm happy for them. I wish them all the best. And, let's be honest, the main reason why we're happy about this (as indeed we all are, in some way or another) is because we can start planning pulling our troops out. We don't really give a damn about the Iraqis. Do we? Not really. You'd be lying if you said you were. This is about our soldiers. And rightly so.
Kudos to George W. Bush, too. That man is a God. Luckily, I'm an atheist.
Lucy, is your sickbag full yet? Pass me it when you're done.
Smitty, this is worrying; you're becoming more and more fanatic every day. Irreversibly warped into your fascist state of mind. But don't worry, fascism isn't half as bad as communism. I'm the worst of the lot, it seems.
Apologies if I haven't fooled anyone with my fancy words.
...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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Re: Victory in Iraq
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12/16/05 08:01 PM
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The Dr. who fixed Lucy
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No, no, it's the man, and what he has done in office, certainly not the office itself.
Once again I think I should re-affirm that - for my part anyway - while I think Bush is an abomination, it is no slur on the American people. After all, they didn't really choose him in the first place... but that's another debate...
Joey ...
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Re: Victory in Iraq
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12/16/05 08:10 PM
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The Dr. who fixed Lucy
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Snake Uh, I don't think the second election was in question. Ahhh, so you admit the first one was dodgy then!! The second one was like this: "Come on Senator Kerry, we don't need to actually bother counting the votes in California and the overseas ballots, Bush has quite obviously already won this closely-contested election, so stop being a meanie poopants and just give in." Very democratic!
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Re: Victory in Iraq
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12/16/05 08:19 PM
12/16/05 08:19 PM
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Posts: 15,058 The Slippery Slope
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Originally posted by Snake: What a shock. Some "poster" praises commies, but the Bush-bashers gloss right over that in their hatred for the man (and apparently the office). "Bush-basher" here.....  You make a fair point, Snake. Never let it be said that I gloss over anything. I hate Communism. I also hate Facism. Actually, I hate all forms of extremism, including religious. I'm all for the good old U.S.A. I love my freedom and civil liberties. That's why I don't care for our President. "Hate" is way too strong a word. For the office itself, I have nothing but respect.
"Difficult....not impossible"
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Re: Victory in Iraq
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12/16/05 08:51 PM
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They may call these communists states, but those you listed were totalitarian dictatorships (today's China and Vietnam probably count as some sort of transition between Marxism and capitalism -- definitely not communist is the true sense). That's why they sucked. Communism seems to work fine in small groups, like tribes, clans, families, or hippie/religious communes. Originally posted by Vito The Godfather: Communism will never work out. Fidel, Stalin, Zedong, Pol pot, and company.
Looking at some facts, just Stalin himself being responsible for almost 50 million people killed in USSR, I understand Communism is all about greed, murder and unhappiness.
Pol Pot in Cambodia was accused of killing around 2 million out of a 7 mil. population withing only 3 years.
In China Communist about 27 mil. died.
Whats the reason for all these killings ? Does Communism really bring freedom ?
Maybe Freedom of murder.
The shame of Communism rule is that even after decades of total rule (see USSR), they simply didn't seem to improve in their average person, but otherwise; making their own nation conditions worse than ever. I really thought that Communism would bring that freedom, feeling of greatness; Marxism was considered the greatest of the greatest. But after learning some things, I didn't believe it so anymore.
Could Communism really turn itself into history as an ideological alternative to democracy ?
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it"
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Re: Victory in Iraq
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12/16/05 09:09 PM
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The Dr. who fixed Lucy
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Saladbar Communism seems to work fine in small groups, like tribes, clans, families, or hippie/religious communes. Yes I believe Marx said something similar in Das Kapital. Snake, don't despair: couple of things they probably didn't teach you in Memphis: firstly, Pi is not equal to 3, and second, communism is not inherently bad. Good in theory, appalling in practice, Communism relies on a premise that simply does not exist: honest, trustworthy, incorruptable government. Democracy is better than communism for one reason alone: it allows less opportunity for corruption in practice than communism. Even though communism is conceptually utopian, the fact that it is operated by fallible humans renders it useless in reality. Sadly.
Joey ...
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Re: Victory in Iraq
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12/17/05 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by The Dr. who fixed Lucy:
Snake, don't despair: couple of things they probably didn't teach you in Memphis: firstly, Pi is not equal to 3, and second, communism is not inherently bad.
At first I had my doubts, but I guess you really aren't anti-american!
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